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Mosby

(16,319 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:00 PM Jul 2012

‘Qaedat al-Jihad’ claims responsibility for Burgas attack

An Islamist group claimed responsibility for carrying out the Burgas bombing on Wednesday in an email sent Saturday to Elnashra, a Lebanese newspaper.

“One of our units, aided by God, managed to bomb a bus full of Jewish tourists, plunderers of holy lands, after careful tracking,” the group wrote in an email published by Elnashra.

The previously unknown group is a possible affiliate of al-Qaeda, commentators in Israel said Saturday evening, noting its name in Arabic — “Qaedat al-Jihad.”

The email stated: “The month of Ramadan is a month of holy war and martyrdom for God. It is a month for fighting the enemies of Allah and God’s messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/base-of-islam-claims-responsibility-for-burgas-attack/

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‘Qaedat al-Jihad’ claims responsibility for Burgas attack (Original Post) Mosby Jul 2012 OP
They sure seem proud of themselves. zellie Jul 2012 #1
Different cultures... Different customs holdencaufield Jul 2012 #2
Richard Falk ,UN “Special Rapporteur '' King_David Jul 2012 #4
What cultures are you referring to? Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #8
Hey, Holden. Kicking this in the hope you'll answer n/t Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #9
My advice to Holden is to not take the bait nt King_David Jul 2012 #11
I don't eat shellfish... NT holdencaufield Jul 2012 #13
How about you explain what you meant about culture? Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #17
Your interpretation of what he says is baseless, King_David Jul 2012 #20
If you bothered reading, you'd have noticed I was asking them to explain what they meant.. Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #21
It's not bait. It's a request to clarify what culture they were talking about.. Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #14
The culture of people writing garbage like this, King_David Jul 2012 #10
How about you let Holden explain what they meant? Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #12
You have your opinion King_David Jul 2012 #15
Well, you know how much I value yr opinion... Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #16
Please don't project and put opinions in my keyboard King_David Jul 2012 #18
Oh-kay. I'm sure that made total sense to you... Violet_Crumble Jul 2012 #19
“One of our units, aided by God, managed to bomb a bus full of Jewish tourists King_David Jul 2012 #3
It seems that way......and a whole lot worse. nt zellie Jul 2012 #5
I see the source of the confusion. holdencaufield Jul 2012 #7
Annoying when transcription disguises common elements. Igel Jul 2012 #6
 

zellie

(437 posts)
1. They sure seem proud of themselves.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jul 2012

murdering innocent people is not exactly something to be proud of.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
8. What cultures are you referring to?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:22 AM
Jul 2012

Because if yr talking about Muslim culture, a comment like that is very bigoted and ugly and something that shouldn't be welcome at DU. The actions of extremists of a group, whether they're Muslims or Jews, does not equate to being the culture of the entire group...

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
17. How about you explain what you meant about culture?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:15 AM
Jul 2012

It very much seems right now that you were indeed judging Muslim culture by the actions and words of Muslim extremists. Do you know what the name is for someone who does that in judging Jews by the actions and words of Jewish extremists? It's every bit as ugly and bigoted...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. Your interpretation of what he says is baseless,
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)

And your way out of line here.

I do not blame him at all for not responding to you.

This is not the 1st time he has been subjected to this fishing expedition .

Why oblige ?

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
21. If you bothered reading, you'd have noticed I was asking them to explain what they meant..
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012

Despite yr claims to the contrary, there's nothing out of line or of a fishing excpedition nature in asking someone to clarify what they say, especially when what they say can be taken by any reasonable and intelligent person as being a comment on Muslim and Jewish cultures.

People generally oblige in answering questions because they understand that a discussion forum involves discussion. Maybe you could get ten people together and ask Skinner to create a group where there's a prohibition on anyone being asked anything at all

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
14. It's not bait. It's a request to clarify what culture they were talking about..
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:07 AM
Jul 2012

It's no more baiting than asking someone who makes a comment that can be read as negative about Jewish culture to clarify what they're saying. I can't imagine why you have no issue with the latter, but have all sorts of problems with the former...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. The culture of people writing garbage like this,
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:01 AM
Jul 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113413578

And the Culture of Richard Falk who supports it.

And the culture of people who think butchering Jewish teenagers is an acceptable strategy for a Human Being .

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
12. How about you let Holden explain what they meant?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:04 AM
Jul 2012

As usual, what you say makes no sense in the context of what Holden was saying...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. You have your opinion
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:09 AM
Jul 2012

My opinion is that it not only makes sense it is 100% spot on.

No matter how uncomfortable that may be .

Ha im ze baroor ?

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
16. Well, you know how much I value yr opinion...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jul 2012

Holden should thank you for running interference. I'm sure you wouldn't be rushing to defend someone who said something similarly negative about Jewish culture...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
18. Please don't project and put opinions in my keyboard
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:17 AM
Jul 2012

Unless your a psychic,

You can not possibly know what mine are.

Thank You

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
19. Oh-kay. I'm sure that made total sense to you...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jul 2012

To me, none at all...

Speaking of psychic, I leave the mindreading to yr attempts to tell me what other DUers are thinking when they post

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. “One of our units, aided by God, managed to bomb a bus full of Jewish tourists
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jul 2012

They don't realize that they shouldn't be equating Israeli and Jew ?

I guess they don't agree with some of our DU members ?

Otherwise this would be an antisemitic incident ?

To me , they seem to hate Jews ...

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
7. I see the source of the confusion.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:23 AM
Jul 2012

Equating Jews with Israel is only wrong in certain circumstances.

For example...

-- Saying that Israel is a Jewish State is wrong. Otherwise how could we hope for unlimited right of return? Israel is a state for everyone.

-- However, saying you hate Zionists/Israelis is OK, because you don't mean Jews. How could you? Hating Jews is wrong.


"You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends." -- Crash Davis

Igel

(35,320 posts)
6. Annoying when transcription disguises common elements.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:17 AM
Jul 2012

Alqaeda is "al qaedat-ul jihad". It's the name bin Laden's group took in 2002. The rebranding didn't really take in the US media.

The British underground bombers were al-qaedat al-jihad fi urupu (not sure on the final word's spelling: "In Europe&quot . They didn't get named much more than the "underground bombers."

Somalia's AQ is alqaedat al jihad. We just call that AQ. As opposed to AQ in the West (okay, Maghreb).

I'm not being consistent with my transcription. All are "holy war bases". And yes, I translate "jihad" as "holy war."

The point is that all the various qawa'id (pl. of qaeda) are mangled and often skipped in Western media. Most would assume that "qaedat" is different from "qaeda" from "qaida". They should include a guide or footnotes or be more consistent.

The "Ramadan is the month of jihad" rhetoric is also straight out of AQ's Salafist/Deobandi playbook. Pakistan's, too. It was amusing when I was avidly reading the Pak press in the early 2000s when Ramadan would occur. * would say Ramadan was a time of reflection and peace, as did CAIR and other US Muslims. The word from Pakistan was mostly "month of jihad, month of jihad, month of jihad." And they didn't mean "quiet internal reflection," judging by the explosions and shootings and incendiary sermons.

On edit: I suppose it's worth a quibbling mention that Bulgaria is, like Andalusia, one of the lost "lands of Islam." Some hairsplitting Salafist could assert that killing Jews in Bulgaria is just as worthwhile as killing them in Hebron.

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