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Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)
A prominent Israeli campaigner for Palestinian rights was recorded saying that he helps Palestinian authorities find and kill Palestinians who sell land to Jews.
The recording was aired Thursday by the television program Uvda of Israels Channel 2. In it, Ezra Nawi, a Jewish far-left activist from the Taayush group, is heard speaking about four Palestinian real estate sellers, whom Nawi said mistook him for a Jew interested in buying their property.
Straight away I give their pictures and phone numbers to the Preventive Security Force, Nawi is heard saying in reference to the Palestinian Authoritys counterintelligence arm. The Palestinian Authority catches them and kills them. But before it kills them, they get beat up a lot.
....Nawi was also documented obtaining information from a Palestinian who believed Nawi was a Jew interested in purchasing land. Nawi is seen saying he intends to give that information to Palestinian security officials as well. According to Uvda, an activist with the human rights group BTselem helped Nawi set up the would-be seller in a sting operation in which the seller would be arrested.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-israeli-says-he-helps-kill-palestinians-who-sell-land-to-jews/
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)When it does, we'll see if there's any substance to the allegations.
shira
(30,109 posts)Me? I'm not the least surprised.
As I've been saying repeatedly, these Israel hating BDS'ers are pro-Hamas or pro-PA fascists who not only support rocks thrown at innocents, but also rocket attacks, suicide bombings, using Palestinian children as human shields, etc.
Turning Palestinian "traitors" in to be tortured and killed isn't any worse than the above.
And now B'tselem is defending Ezra Nawi's decision to turn them in to the PA.
I predict this is just going to get worse and worse for the Israel hating Regressive Left.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Ad Kan, the right-wing group that collected the footage, seems to exist only to "trip up" leftists on hidden camera. If there are mitigating circumstances, I bet they're edited out. For comparison, I can recall a few videos from The Center for Medical Progress about Planned Parenthood selling body parts that fell apart very quickly under scrutiny.
Besides, the example isn't large enough to show a pattern, but it seems as if a lot of right-wingers have jumped on the bandwagon anyway. Even the Israeli government is taking advantage of this golden opportunity to smear the PA, the left, human rights organizations, the New Israel Fund, the EU, BDS, and B'Tselem (did I forget someone here?). Somehow it feels as if the doctors of spin are changing into top gear on this. I'd rather wait to see an independent verification of what the real story is, before I draw any conclusions.
While I do think it's monstrous to have a law in the books that punishes people who sell land to Israel with death, I doubt it can be repealed by the PA, as it's an old Jordanian law, and Israel still uses the pre-1967 Jordanian legal system in the West Bank. It's worth mentioning that nobody has been executed for selling land to Israelis. I do think that land sale to Israelis should stay illegal though, as I don't think it's morally defensible for the occupied population to sell land to the occupier.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's illegal to sell to Jews , punishment is death.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)However, as the total number of Israeli Arab settlers never exceeded 0 since 1967, it seems as if most land sales to the occupier went to Jewish Israelis. This is simply because Israeli Arabs aren't allowed to live permanently in the Israeli settlements.
The legislation does indeed stem from the old Jordanian "Law for Preventing the Sale of Real Estate to the Enemy", but I'm not sure if it's valid or not, or whether the PA can make their own laws that supercede them. the problem is that the Palestinian territories are occupied by Israel, and that the occupied Palestinian population has no civil rights whatsoever according to the laws of war.
Here's a snippet from Jerusalem Post that may explain things a little bit better. However, if you want to think that "occupiers" equals Jews, that's up to you.
PA affirms death penalty for land sales to Israelis
Source: Jerusalem Post, 09/20/2010
(snip)
The PA says the law is necessary to prevent the expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.
In 1997, the PA announced that it would seek the death penalty for any Palestinian convicted of selling land to Jews or Israelis, in accordance with the Jordanian Law for Preventing the Sale of Real Estate to the Enemy.
According to the 1973 legislation, the sale of property to Jews or Israelis constitutes a crime against state security and well-being, punishable by death and the confiscation of the culprits possessions.
The PA later drafted its own law to replace the Jordanian statute. The law is called the Property Law for Foreigners.
It describes the sale of land to occupiers as an act of national treason. Although the PA has thus far refrained from executing those convicted of selling land to Jews, there have been many extrajudicial killings of Palestinian suspects over the past decades.
(end snip)
Source: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/PA-affirms-death-penalty-for-land-sales-to-Israelis
King_David
(14,851 posts)Imagine the death penalty for selling your own property.
shira
(30,109 posts)....for selling land to Israelis or Jews?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)penalties for selling properties to "occupiers", I would say it's immoral to grass on those who sell.
I know it's not a real answer, but until I understand what actually happened, that will have to do.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)
Are you also against selling land to Muslims? How about Blacks?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)In this case it's about about the lands and properties that are sold to the occupier and changing sovereignty, effectively becoming part of Israel, under Israeli jurisdiction and no go areas for Palestinians. A parallell would be if Mexican nationals bought land in Texas, which would then become legally a part of Mexico under Mexican legal jurisdiction and a no go area for US nationals or government representatives.
shira
(30,109 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)From audacious fraud and forgery to military seizures for security needs and the public good to dusting off antiquated Ottoman laws, the Israeli settlement enterprise has no shortage of tools for taking over Palestinian land in the West Bank.
http://972mag.com/this-is-how-settlers-take-over-palestinian-land/115754/
Israeli
(4,159 posts).....what's going on here is a war ....and in every war you have casualties.
How much do you know about Ezra Nawi ?
Neve Gordon described him thus :
" Nawi is not a typical rights activist. A member of Ta'ayush Arab-Jewish Partnership he is a Jewish Israeli of Iraqi descent who speaks fluent Arabic. He is a gay man in his fifties and a plumber by trade. Perhaps because he himself comes from the margins, he empathises with others who have been marginalised often violently. "
There was a movie made about him in 2007 called Citizen Nawi , see :
Citizen Nawi documents the tumultuous life of one of the most fascinating men in the Israeli left - Ezra Nawi - a plumber by trade and a political activist who fights for Palestinians' rights. Simultaneously, Nawi engages in a personal battle for his partner Fuad, a Palestinian from Ramallah and an illegal resident chased by law enforcement officials. Tracking the two intertwined parts of Nawi's life, the film uncovers a deep seated racism and homophobia that is common everywhere.
- Written by Esty Alsthul
Source : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1092055/
Here is a trailer :
Quote : " One day we will hang you , creep "
Their day has come .
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)issues.
The first is the one about Ezra Nawi and the things he allegedly did or said. The other one is the right-wing assertion that all left-wing NGOs are Ezra Nawi clones, and that they're all as bad as he's supposed to be. The second one is pure BS of course, and anyone with half a brain should be able to see through it.
The scary thing is that some people in the Israeli government seem to have no problem at all with peddling arguments that are obviously BS.
Israeli
(4,159 posts)You nailed it .
shira
(30,109 posts)B'tselem sees no other recourse than to turn Palestinians in to the PA for selling land to Jews.
Explain that.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)The PA has no jurisdiction whatsoever over Israelis. End of story.
Source for info that the seller was an Israeli: https://www.facebook.com/btselem/posts/10153272790716570
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Events in 2014
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas issued an executive order that amended the land law penal code, and increased punishments for selling land to "hostile countries and its citizens". These punishments include hard labor to life imprisonment for Palestinians who sell, rent or mediate real estate transactions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws
also the Ottomans had laws prohibiting the sale of lands in Palestine to foreign buyers most of the land acquired by the early Zionists was actually transferred as payment of debt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine
shira
(30,109 posts)You appear more upset at Ad Kan than Ezra Nawi. You're also defending him by asserting no one has been killed. That's obviously not what Nawi believes. That vile POS was gloating about Palestinians being turned in to be tortured and killed as if it were fact. And that is his motivation.
You should be grossed out by his admission. But you don't seem to be. Neither do your comrades here. I suppose solidarity trumps all - right?
I think regressive Leftists are upset that Ad Kan is simply doing what vile BDS hate groups have been doing for years - using cameras to "catch the Jew" doing something wrong, even if completely out of context. The BDS motivation being the Nazification of Israel. Well, it seems the tables are being turned and some folks don't like that.
King_David
(14,851 posts)On all sides.
shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.jewishpress.com/news/report-left-turns-in-palestinian-land-brokers-to-be-tortured-and-executed/2016/01/08/
shira
(30,109 posts)The investigating piece featured an organization called "Ad Kan," containing young patiotic Israeli men and women who tried to catch up on few "issues" regarding Israel "Human Rights" groups (radical left) such as Bet'selem, Ta'ayush, and 'Breaking the silence'.
The investigationed focused on two main activists. One is a known man called Ezra Nawi, funder of a left group of Ta'ayush (Israeli-Palestinian group trying to aid Palestinians in 'occupied' territories) and the other is Nasser Newajaa, a Palestinian activists from Hebron, member of Betselem.
'Ad Kan' group recruited a man known simply as Eric, along with a woman, Anna, who adopted the identity of an ideological Israeli couple, wanting to help Palestinians in their war against 'the occupation'. Eric climbed his way up in the organization, so far as becoming Ezr'as right hand.
In one of their jeep trips to Meitar's boarders, Ezra Nawi got a phone call. A Land Marchant known as Musa was interested in his help (Musa mistakened him for a connected man who can locate potential Jewish clients). Musa was interested in helping the Palestinian client selling his land for settlers.
It was when the conversation with 'Planted' Eric turned disturbing. "What are you going to do?" Eric asked, and Nawi responded, "Hand him over to the Palestinian preventive security."
"And what will happen to him there?" Eric pushed.
"They'll kill him," Nawi bluntly says.
"Kill kill?" Eric pretended shock.
Nawi smiled, "They'll torture them good first," he chuckles, "then they go for the kill."
He continues in said conversations. "There was a bastard here," he says, "one SOB called Abu-Khalil. He tried making a land deal with the settlers. well..."
"What happened to him.?"
"He's dead," Nawi says, then adds, "They (family) blame me..." then laughs, "Of course I had something to do with it."
After meeting with the Land Marchant Musa, and recieving the papers, Nawi handed over the details to the Betselem activist Naser, who has family in the preventive Palestinian security. Alas, Musa was fearful and suspicious, so called off the deal, and his life probably saved thanks to that
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/israeli-human-rights-groups-plotting-with-fatah-to-murder-innocent-palestinians.467723/
shira
(30,109 posts)Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu responded on Friday to an investigative report that appeared last night on Channel 2's "Uvda" show, which revealed how radical leftist activists hand Palestinian Arabs over to the Palestinian Authority (PA) to be executed.
Right-wing activists infiltrated leftist groups and caught the activist Ezra Nawi on camera saying he gives the PA the names of Arabs who are interested in selling land to Jews, so that the PA can torture and "kill them." Other radical leftists were also exposed involved in the activities.
"The investigative piece published yesterday on the 'Uvda' program revealed the true face of radicals among us, who were driven crazy by hatred of the settlements, which brought them to hand over innocents to torture and execution," said Netanyahu.
According to the prime minister, "the investigative report served as additional testimony to the cruel conduct of the Palestinian Authority, which tortures and murders Palestinians whose only 'crime' is selling land to Jews."
The PA has long had a law banning the sale of land to Jews in Judea and Samaria, and has made no secret of its policy of executing Arab sellers.
"These serious matters obligate a complete condemnation from all sections of the Israeli society, which denounces acts of murder and fights all terror. Those who encourage murder cannot continue to hide behind the hypocritical mask of 'taking care of human rights.'"
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)for selling land to enemy entities?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that you're trying to defend this. I'm sure all those gays who get thrown off buildings have piles of paperwork to back up those deaths also. Instead of being disgusted by this - by this animal ADMITTING AND SMILING about sending these fellow Palestinians to torture and death, you're going after fucking record keeping - that's pathetic.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I asked a question that apparently makes some uncomfortable
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You only want to deflect from this "person of the left" being a complete and utter asshole and laughing about sending people to torture and death for selling property to Jews. It's not surprising anyone, at all, in the slightest that you're trying to deflect from that.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but fling accusations and distractions or do you think ISIS and the Palestinian Authority are the same?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)sticking with the topic of the thread. You constantly and I do mean CONSTANTLY try and change the subject just like you're doing here. It's pathetic and I'm done playing your games. Go give your kudos to someone who is defending an asshole who is sending his fellow Palestinians to their deaths for the nerve of selling land to Jews - I hear he won some award.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you seem to want to aviod answering a simple question how many executions has the Palestinian Authority committed?
How many execution orders has Abbas signed?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)extra judicial executions don't happen in the West Bank and Gaza? Really? And that the perps aren't punished? Really? I'm finding this whole conversation humorous but only in that you still refuse to admit what's right in front of your face if you can't blame the west. Until you do, we're just talking in circles and my time is much too valuable to waste like this.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but you do attempt to divert from first with the ISIS equations and now extra judicial killings
King_David
(14,851 posts)An OP about a morally corrupt , scummy asshole seen to gloat over turning in Palestinians who's crime is selling to Jews ... To be tortured and sentenced to death for not toeing a BDS line.. Selling their own property.... The crime being selling to Jews....
But hey.... Let's change the subject because it doesn't look good.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)confront the poster on the obvious change of subject and engage no further. What's that phrase about never fighting a pig? You both get dirty and pig likes it (something like that). I'm not getting dirty any more. Still not one word about this animal who laughs about sending people to their deaths. Not a surprise. Poster can't blame Israel or the US.
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)To be tortured and sentenced to death for selling land to Jews...
Do you think he's a "leftist " or righteous?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Abbas refuses to sign any orders and in 2014 the law was amended , is that why my query upset some here?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Crime of selling to Jews...
What's your thought of the scum that admitted and gloated about this ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)been executed for selling land to Jews, that is central to the subject, without that proof the whole thing is just another smear campaign
King_David
(14,851 posts)But not on this thread its absolutely irrelevant as leftnyc explains to you.
Did you see the scum pos gloat how he handed over Palestinians to authorities for the crime of selling to Jews and those Palestinians to be tortured?
Do you think anyone deserves to be tortured for the crime of selling to Jews?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Israeli Leftist Taped Trying to Set Up Palestinians Who Seek to Sell Land to Jews
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.696313
Ha....lets see the "no response " now.
Israeli
(4,159 posts)" Arik " has been named .......
http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/shabahit/1.2818232
Israeli
(4,159 posts).......previously posted above is now out in the English version :
Israeli Investigative TV Program Unsure of Its Facts
The Ta'ayush group is a persistent thorn in the side of the settlement enterprise. The fact it has been targeted by a leading TV investigative news show is itself worthy of investigation.
Amira Hass Jan 11, 2016
Itzik Goldway is 23. A sergeant in the reserves, last February he received a medal for his part in Operation Protective Edge (following a citation by the head of the regional command). Around the time he finished his compulsory service, he joined an organization called Ad Kan (No More), which was set up to spy on the tiny Israeli left wing. He and his girlfriend, Julia T., were sent to infiltrate the Arab-Jewish partnership Taayush, and witnessed a number of attacks on Palestinians by Jewish settlers. They then went off to the Far East, from where they posted Facebook pictures of themselves smiling against the backdrop of lakes and snow-capped mountains.
Goldway and T. are the proof that, until proven otherwise, in every Israeli lurks a little Shin Bet security service officer.
Ezra Nawi, whom Goldway shadowed, is an easy target. Hes an aging Mizrahi homosexual with an old conviction for soliciting and having intercourse with a minor. He has a big mouth (and a foul one, to boot), sports headgear that makes him stand out from the nerdy norm; hes an ex-plumber who is all but bankrupt thanks to his political activity. The police hide in ambush for him: unjustified traffic tickets are issued; he is hassled at home; military restraining orders are frequently issued against him and his Taayush associates. He is a known figure in the magistrates court (either in the context of being arrested and charged, or making claims about the harassment against him).
And the settlers hate him. This is the first key to understanding the context of the story about him that was aired on Israeli investigative television show Uvda (Fact) last Thursday night. Uvda devoted its 600th episode to Ad Kan, thus bringing the organizations existence to light. The show broadcast candid footage of Ad Kan people masquerading as activists and supporters who had been accompanying Nawi. Their faces were blurred, though, and their names changed in the program.
Taayush is an easy target, too: It is neither an organization, nor an NGO. It has no charter or terms for accepting members; it is unsupervised, and there is no leadership or salaries. It is just a bunch of dedicated people devoting their lives and money to a cause. Their experience and temperament make them, in the eyes of right-wing activists, an elite that must be infiltrated.
For 15 years, Taayush activists have been trying to prevent Palestinians living in the South Hebron Hills from being stripped of their homes, lands and livelihoods. They have served as a human shield against attacks by the settlers and Israel Defense Forces (both literally and metaphorically). That is the key to understanding the story shown on the prestigious news show.
Taayush is a thorn stubbornly stuck in the well-greased machine of the Israeli army, Civil Administration, police, settlers and courts a mechanism that is designed to expel as many Palestinians as possible from as much land as possible.
Let us believe that it is only due to their naïveté that the Uvda journalists became involved in the effort to extract that thorn. Taayush and the reason for its existence the policy of dispossession are not the type of things that typically intrigues Uvda. The fact is that, checking the broadcasts of that prime-time slot from year-end 2014, not a single segment focuses on that Israeli-Jewish bonanza the theft of land from Palestinians in the West Bank.
During that time, there were no Uvda stories about discrimination and dispossession of Israels Palestinian citizens, either. There were some segments on Arabs Sayed Kashua; Mohammad Zoabi (who spoke out against the kidnap of the three Israeli yeshiva students in the West Bank); the arson attack on a bilingual school in Jerusalem; the Islamic State group.
The segment on Ad Kan was not true investigative journalism, for reasons elaborated on by +972 Magazine and the Friends of George blog (in Hebrew) . It was a puff piece for a privatized, mini-Shin Bet. If it had been investigative journalism, Uvda would have told us about Ad Kans funding sources and budget. It would have explained why the name of Goldway, as the recipient of a medal, appeared only in initials. Is the army associated with Ad Kan, and is it protecting Goldway from exposure, so he can spy on the left? (The IDF Spokesperson said that, for personal reasons, Goldway requested to be interviewed anonymously, and his full name is shown in the booklet of all medal recipients.)
If it had been investigative journalism, the correspondent would have probed and discovered whether the Palestinian Authority really did as Nawi bragged, in a crude way that reflects only his stupid side execute the land dealers he allegedly handed over to it.
If they had conducted an investigation, the correspondent would have discovered that the PA had long ceased carrying out executions. A real investigation would have checked who this land dealer is who suddenly popped up in Nawis life, and whether he is connected with Ad Kan.
An investigation would have provided the background and context for Nawis statements: the deceptiveness and cruelty of the Jewish land dealers and their collaborators; their methods of fraud; their deceptiveness and intimidation (instead of which, we hear the voice of a former Shin Bet officer and a current land dealer in the West Bank). Every Palestinian has the right to advise the PA about attempts to sell their land, and decent Israelis have an obligation to eschew any connection with the land robbers.
Ad Kan doesnt hide the fact that its aim is to bring down left wingers, and thought it had caught one. It took Nawis unproven statements and manufactured generalizations, then used these unfounded generalizations to taint the left and human rights organizations.
These are familiar tactics of the right, big money and government, too. There is no point in raising eyebrows: we can only hope that in an era when human rights activists have to wear ID badges when entering the Knesset, it is extreme naïveté that led the Uvda correspondents to join the national trend of marking the opponents of occupation as criminals.
Goldway refused to comment for this article.
Amira Hass
Haaretz Correspondent
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.696592
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)perhaps this guy did this and no I do not believe Haaretz unconditionally BTW
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)is an innocent act, it's not, once that land is sold it then becomes seed of a of a new outpost replete with all that goes with the occupation including IDF, if such a situation existed in other place in the world land sales to foreigners would be illegal there too
King_David
(14,851 posts)Be subjected to torture .... Crime being selling to Jews , such as myself or Bernie Sanders.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)does that land become an Israeli outpost that is guarded by the Israeli military?
and no I do not condone torture
King_David
(14,851 posts)I asked :
So the people who own the land and sell to (gulp) Jews : such as myself and Bernie Sanders , should
Be subjected to torture .... Crime being selling to Jews , such as myself or Bernie Sanders ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)thanks for proving me right
King_David
(14,851 posts)You said yes ... What do you mean "spun" that's exactly what you said.
It needs more than an "edit" it needs an apology....
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Relevance ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)You have a problem with this?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)Ezra Nawi is NOT a Palestinian ....he is a gay Israeli Jew.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)In my eyes. I actually expect more, not less, from them. The Israeli far left is as delusional as the American far left. They think they're helping something they're only hurting more. This animal deserves prison.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's a crime punishable by death to sell to Jews ... Just like apostasy is a crime punishable by death in most Muslim countries... So wtf you keep repeating that irrelevance one can only conclude is to change the subject.
Today, apostasy is a crime in 23 out 49 Muslim majority countries; in many other Muslim nations such as Indonesia and Morocco, apostasy is indirectly covered by other laws.It is subject in some countries, such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, to the death penalty, although executions for apostasy are rare. In a 2013 report based on an international survey of religious attitudes, more than 50% of the Muslim population in 6 Islamic countries supported the death penalty for any Muslim who leaves Islam (apostasy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Islam
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)You're an arbitar on Islam now ?
Really?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that article KD posted. Now the truth is anti-Islam? Pointing out a death sentence is on the books for things like blasphemy and apostasy is anti-Islam? You can't possibly be serious about complaining someone else changed the subject...it's your entire MO. And now complaints about posting the truth. JSMH.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that this creep won some award?:
BTselem accused the show of legitimizing what was, essentially, a right-wing operation. In that sense, the fact that journalist Dayan described sending to their certain death Arabs whose only sin is wanting to sell land to Jews, appears from BTselems point of view like her embracing of the occupation. Gideon Levy told Dayan on air that If thats all that those plants discovered, its a badge of honor for the human rights organizations.
A badge of honor that this asshole sends people to forture and deaths I swear, when it comes to I/P, far too many people on the left have simply lost their fucking minds and have turned against everything they say they believe in. Thankfully it's a very small portion of the left that are losing more supporters every single day.
shira
(30,109 posts)....and the entire anti-Israel hate movement.
Can you really say you're surprised or shocked?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Exposed: Radical leftist gets PA to execute Palestinians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&info=1&address=1134123088
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)already saw Haaretz maybe you change it to that
shira
(30,109 posts)You know how it works here with attacking the source.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/196483/prominent-israeli-lefties-caught-entrapping-palestinians-trying-to-sell-them-land
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206141#.VpBRbJMrKb8
Classy human rights group there.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that clarifies things nicely
thank you so much
shira
(30,109 posts)They're digging their own graves.
Do you agree with B'tselem about this?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but I hardly think this will end B'Tselem
shira
(30,109 posts)....they believe they can actually get away with all this shit.
Ergo, defending cretins like Ezra Nawi.
Understand, they had and still have a lot invested in folks like Nawi.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's more than just Nawi as B'tselem is defending this cretin.
In addition, Nawi gloated that the people he was turning in were being tortured and/or killed. His intent was to hurt Palestinians.
Ahhh...the Regressive Left.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)A damning investigative report has Israels human rights community in the crosshairs once again. Channel 2?s flagship investigative report show, Uvda (Fact in Hebrew) aired a 35-minute segment Thursday night featuring the work of a clandestine right-wing group that tries to infiltrate the ranks of Israels left-wing NGOs
The group, named Ad Kan (loosely translated to No More), arms its members with hidden cameras in order to capture high-profile leftists doing or saying things they probably should not be doing or saying. This way, Ad Kans founders claim, it can be proven once and for all that Israeli human rights groups actually care very little about human rights.
Two employees of Ad Kan successfully infiltrated the well known anti-occupation group, Taayush, which brings Jewish and Palestinian volunteers to the West Bank to work alongside Palestinians in nonviolent direct-action activities such as re-building wells that have been destroyed by the army, re-planting olive groves that have been torched or felled by settlers, or escorting Palestinian herders who have been harassed and assaulted by settlers.
http://972mag.com/smearing-human-rights-groups-over-actions-of-one-man/115738/
Israeli
(4,159 posts)..... that such fear mongering is nearly exclusively aimed at left-wing organizations (Netanyahu, Yaalon, and Bennett kept mum when human rights activists were the subject of a recent campaign of incitement) and that there is an entire network of organizations, from Ad Kan to the proto-fascist Im Tirzu, that are, if not working in tandem with, then directly inspired by right-wing politicians who seek to quash any and all dissent.
http://972mag.com/smearing-human-rights-groups-over-actions-of-one-man/115738/
shira
(30,109 posts)Dumb move to defend him. Really, really dumb.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Nasser Nawaj'ah, who is mentioned in the report, is BTselems field researcher in the South Hebron Hills, but he is also a Palestinian resident of Khirbet Susiya, who has been fighting all his life against extremely powerful forces that have been trying for decades to expel him and his family from their land in favor of settlers. When he found out that a Palestinian citizen of Israel purporting to be a land dealer was offering land that is partly owned by his family for sale, he reported this alleged dealer to the Palestinian Authority (PA). This is the only legitimate course of action for Palestinians, given that Israeli authorities do not protect Palestinian landowners in the area from attempts by settlers to take over their land, and, in fact, actively aid such takeover efforts.
The report failed to provide even a shred of evidence that Nasser intended to cause the "torture and execution" of this land dealer, as falsely claimed, and the land dealer is alive and well. In fact, the show ignored the fact that the PA cannot prosecute Israeli citizens, and that no execution was held for ten years by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. BTselem obviously vehemently condemns torture and executions whether they are extra judicial or court ordered, whatever the circumstances and whether carried out by the ISA (Israel's General Security Service) or the Palestinian Authority.
https://www.facebook.com/btselem/posts/10153272790716570
shira
(30,109 posts)....over the years that the PALESTINIANS he is turning in are indeed being tortured and/or killed. As though this were all FACT.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-israeli-says-he-helps-kill-palestinians-who-sell-land-to-jews/
B'tselem is just digging themselves deeper and deeper.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)such as that the men who was supposedly selling the land was an Israeli citizen and is not subject to any actions by the PA if they should occur however unlikely
shira
(30,109 posts)The latter half of this WIKI article shows Palestinians are being tortured and/or killed for selling land to Jews. Whether Abbas officially signs off on it or not...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws#Property_transactions_under_Palestinian_law
SMH @ the lame attempts to defend this vile, rotten cretin Ezra Nawi.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)It doesn't matter whether the PA officially carries it out or has some of its hired goons beat up, kneecap, or throw folks out of windows.
It's happening.
Nawi says this is the 4th time he's turned in a Palestinian. He gloats about this, and appears very familiar with what lies ahead for this new person he's planning on turning in.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)however, no Palestinian has been executed for land sales and while there are unsolved murders none have been proven to be linked to either the PA or land sales
shira
(30,109 posts)I don't think any Team Israel members here want to see anyone murdered for any stupid reasons - including Palestinians.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)because no such concern was shown for 530 dead Palestinian children and only very grudging support for capture of settler who burned a baby to dead along with his mother and father not much sympathy for the family though
shira
(30,109 posts)....for the family of the baby who was burned. From all Zionists except for the worst of the worst Kahanist hilltop scum.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Events in 2014
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas issued an executive order that amended the land law penal code, and increased punishments for selling land to "hostile countries and its citizens". These punishments include hard labor to life imprisonment for Palestinians who sell, rent or mediate real estate transactions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws#Property_transactions_under_Palestinian_law
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts).... He has been described as a "Ta'ayush nudnik",[3] and "a working-class, liberal gay version of Joe the Plumber".[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Nawi
Now Shulamit Aloni was a post-Zionist.....you remember her ?.....she who created Meretz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulamit_Aloni
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as in this case
In any event I am torn on this-under normal circumstances I would condem such action but these are not normal circumstances and any Palestinian land sold to Jewish settlers become Israeli territory under IDF guard I cannot imagine any other people that would be expected to passively allow this type activity
shira
(30,109 posts)Second, Jewish individuals are buying these properties. It's not all Israeli government property. If an individual Palestinian wants to sell land to an individual Jew, there's nothing wrong with that - ever.
B'tselem is not only against Palestinians selling land to Jews, they support turning in Palestinians who are likely to be harmed and/or killed for it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli military guardianship and your claims about B'Tselem are false but I do understand your need to make them
here once again is B'Tselem's statement
Yesterday, Israeli investigative TV magazine, Uvda, aired a report that was entirely based on footage shot by individuals who posed as activists of Taayush, a grassroots group that has been active in the South Hebron Hills for about fifteen years. Uvdas desk did not do its own field research. It received the footage from an organization called Ad Kan Youths for Israel, which claim studying phenomena that damages Israels strength and image as one of their objectives. How exactly do Taayush activists damage Israels strength and image? They accompany Palestinian farmers and shepherds while they work and help them face the combined forces of the military, the settlers and other state authorities who work together to dispossess them of their land.
Nasser Nawaj'ah, who is mentioned in the report, is BTselems field researcher in the South Hebron Hills, but he is also a Palestinian resident of Khirbet Susiya, who has been fighting all his life against extremely powerful forces that have been trying for decades to expel him and his family from their land in favor of settlers. When he found out that a Palestinian citizen of Israel purporting to be a land dealer was offering land that is partly owned by his family for sale, he reported this alleged dealer to the Palestinian Authority (PA). This is the only legitimate course of action for Palestinians, given that Israeli authorities do not protect Palestinian landowners in the area from attempts by settlers to take over their land, and, in fact, actively aid such takeover efforts.
The report failed to provide even a shred of evidence that Nasser intended to cause the "torture and execution" of this land dealer, as falsely claimed, and the land dealer is alive and well. In fact, the show ignored the fact that the PA cannot prosecute Israeli citizens, and that no execution was held for ten years by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. BTselem obviously vehemently condemns torture and executions whether they are extra judicial or court ordered, whatever the circumstances and whether carried out by the ISA (Israel's General Security Service) or the Palestinian Authority.
https://www.facebook.com/btselem/posts/10153272790716570
shira
(30,109 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)....but I find it extremely amusing that you are having an orgasmic hissy fit over it .
shira
(30,109 posts)It's about time these vile POS's were outed for the psychotic degenerates they are. They do more harm than good.
Shame on anyone from now on making B'tselem out to be something they clearly are not.
Israeli
(4,159 posts).....completely agree with you shira
BTW ......who was it that you hold responsible for Rabin's assassination ?
shira
(30,109 posts)read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.696415
BTW ......who was it that you hold responsible for Rabin's assassination ?
Yigal Amir. Why?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)are ypu unaware of this fact or are you suggesting that the Israeli government would turn a blind eye towards the PA detaining or otherwise incarcerating a Palestinian citizen of Israel?
Israeli
(4,159 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you really want to know who someone is and what they believe, it's probably best not to rely on a few phrases from Wikipedia.
Try these articles:
Ezra Nawi: Jewish Pacifist Facing Jail for Aiding Arabs
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1916699,00.html
Ezra Nawi: The Face of Israeli Human Rights Activism
https://acrosstheborderline.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/ezra-nawi-the-face-of-israeli-human-rights-activism/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)....to get my information oberliner ?
King_David
(14,851 posts)You are the master of sources and clips.
There is another group member however that is all about Wikipedia all the time.
Israeli
(4,159 posts)Done attacking a gay Israeli Leftist Jew ???????????
King_David
(14,851 posts)And if he handed over people to a homophobic authority to be tortured , he is hardly a role model for anyone..not Gays , not Jews and not leftists.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and there by immune from Palestinian law
King_David
(14,851 posts)The guy admits they torture and kill them ... WTF do they care about law.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)of a Palestinian citizen of Israel at the hands of PA?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)Just surprised we are not hearing screams of homophobia and antisemitism like we usually do when its the Right being attacked .
King_David
(14,851 posts)The Right , especially ,Hamas and Palestinian Authorities and Republicans are not kind to gays.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I hear these same Rightists in the Israeli government with emphasis on Naftali Bennett are now running around to the EU funders of Ta'ayush and B'Tselem entreating them to cut off funding to organization that promote the torture and death of Palestinians
Israeli
(4,159 posts)So what did he do? That is, aside from talking trash about how people like the land broker should be executed? What did actually do? He called his Palestinian friends from the area, informed them of the call he got, and together they decided to turn the supposed land broker over to the legally entrusted authorities who deal with such matters. They tried to set a meeting with the man, but he then disappeared and stopped making any contact with them. Naturally, he was not arrested, nor was he tortured, let alone executed.
To sum up: what we have here is a report on prime-time television, which enjoys considerable journalistic credibility, that was in fact made by a shady covert NGO of unknown origin and not seriously criticized by the news desk that produced it. The report aims to blacken the entire Left, led to a series of government statements against the Left, all based on one person, who aside from saying some terrible things was not shown to actually have harmed anyone. Someone who was only trying to protect himself from being framed and working with his friends to try and have a suspicious man arrested by authorities. All this while the true story of continuous land grabs and settler and army brutality goes completely untold.
Those campaigning against the Israeli Left and human rights organizations should be proud of themselves. Well done.
Source: http://972mag.com/how-respectable-journalists-are-joining-attacks-on-israels-left/115784/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)....are you surprised ?......because I am not .
Amid right-wing attacks, suspected arson at B'Tselem offices
Headquarters of Israels oldest human rights organization sustain heavy damage. Spokesperson says if fire turns out to be arson, it must be seen in the context of the wave of government incitement and smear campaigns against Israels human rights groups, and BTselem in particular.
Source: http://972mag.com/amid-right-wing-attacks-suspected-arson-at-btselem-offices/115825/
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,159 posts)By Haggai Matar |Published January 11, 2016
Preliminary investigations by Israeli Police and Israel Fire and Rescue Services indicated that the fire that erupted Sunday night in the Jerusalem offices of Israeli human rights group BTselem was not the result of arson. The police and fire department published detailed explanations on their findings, according to which the fire was a result of a short circuit in the offices acoustic ceiling. The fire reportedly burned the entire ceiling before engulfing the rest of office.
Furthermore, there were no signs of a break in, neither from the door or the windows. Additionally, there was no graffiti or other sign that this was a hate crime, and the security cameras did not capture any suspicious activity. Thus, as far as we can tell, there was no arson. BTselems staff believes this to be true as well.
And yet, Sundays fire raised everyones suspicions as the possibility of arson. I am not talking about a few human rights activists or members of Knesset. The Fire and Rescue Services were the first to presume it was an arson attack; nearly every single media outlet adopted the suspicion as truth, despite a lack of evidence. Much of the public also bought into the suspicions, which seemed so logical. With everything we know about the political climate in Israel today, it is not so far-fetched that such a thing would happen.
Perhaps one of the hardest things to deal with in the current atmosphere is the notion that it is logical that right wingers would set fire to BTselems office or worse. The fact is that all of us, not just a few of the paranoid, can imagine this happening. Not only because of the specific details such as the initial suggestions that the fire began in two separate areas, or the recent, widely-viewed investigative report that allegedly implicated human rights activists in some shady business but because of everything that has been taking place. If it didnt happen this time, it will happen next time. If not BTselem, then another organization. Not only does it seem so realistic, it feels that such actions would have significant public support, or at the very least would be met with understanding and forgiveness.
Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line know this well. They know the feeling of discrimination, oppression, and harassment by the authorities. As Noam Sheizaf wrote recently, in the past year and a half, the Right has officially taken over, delegitimizing and isolating the Left, be it radical or moderate.
Think about what kind of immense changes Israeli society has undergone in the past year and half, and how our attitude toward political violence (by the Right, only by the Right) has changed. This began with the immolation and murder of 16-year-old Muhammad Abu Khdeir, and continued with the rise of extreme-right groups such as Lehava, which along with other right-wing groups, hunt for Arabs on the streets of Jerusalem (leftists arent spared either). After that came the violent attacks against left-wing activists during Operation Protective Edge, when right-wing thugs followed anti-war demonstrators and attacked them after protests. Then came the arson attack on Jerusalems bilingual school, the murder in Duma, threats against left-wing activists, preventing members of Breaking the Silence from holding an event at a pub, and a recent stabbing attempt at a left-wing rally.
Right-wing nationalists attacking left-wing activists during a protest in central Tel Aviv against the Israeli attack on Gaza, July 12, 2014. The protest ended with the nationalists attacking a small group of left-wing activists, with little police interference. Three activists were injured and one right-wing person was arrested. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)
We also had an anti-Semitic video against leftists by the Samaria Settler Council, and recently we had a video produced by hyper-nationalist group Im Tirzu that incited against individual human rights activists. Add to that a slew of groups that have the blessing of the authorities to harass and threaten anyone who dares strive for Jewish-Arab cooperation, or criticize the occupation.
But most of all, we have seen government incitement reach new levels, often with the tacit support of the opposition. Prime Minister Netanyahu and his ministers have no problem to lying and slinging baseless accusations of murder at human rights organizations.
We have seen the Prime Ministers Offices campaign joined by centrist Yair Lapid against Breaking the Silence. We have seen attempts to destroy the Lefts political representation, first by continually attacking any and all political organizing by Israels Palestinian citizens be it by outlawing the Islamic Movement, the attempts to disqualify the nationalist Balad slate from participating in elections, or raising the election threshold, thereby forcing the Arab parties to form a single political party. After all, without cooperation with Arab citizens, the Left has no real way of getting into power.
We saw legislation aimed at ensuring funding to left-wing NGOs is transparent, though that funding has always been out in the open, while right-wing NGOs are granted permission to keep the source of large donations secret. This is before we get to the lies-turned-truths about the Mufti, a reminder that the prime minister will deliberately distort historical facts and lie, so long as it promotes his agenda of incitement.
Hundreds of Israelis celebrated the fire at the BTselem office online, while others expressed sorrow that the offices were empty when it erupted. Avigdor Liberman responded to the fire by calling BTselem traitors. Neighbors who witnessed the fire expressed joy over what they believed was arson, and a few people even came to celebrate with an Israeli flag.
So this time it wasnt arson. Just a short circuit that came at an incredibly tense moment. But those who suspected an arson attack are not crazy. They understand exactly which direction the wind blows.
This article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.
Source: http://972mag.com/when-every-fire-is-a-potential-arson-attack/115853/
Israeli
(4,159 posts)Published: 11 Jan 2016
A fire broke out at our office in Jerusalem this evening. None of our staff were in the building, but people working on other floors had to be evacuated by the fire brigade.
Following the announcement by the fire brigade that the cause of the fire in our office is probably an electrical fault, we are extremely relieved and eager to begin the cleanup as soon as possible.
Over the past few hours we experienced an outpouring of support and solidarity from friends and supporters in Israel and abroad. We thank you all for your kindness, and promise to get back to work, and carry on until the end of the occupation.
Source : http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20160111_fire_at_our_office
shira
(30,109 posts)Read more: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/329161/israeli-activist-says-he-helps-kill-palestinians-who-sell-land-to-jews/#ixzz3wktHgrfh
And we're to believe it's just one rotten apple? Move on, nothing to see here?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)is to bring down any organization who documents Israels abuses in Palestine
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.696456
The Regressive Left is no different than the farthest of the fringe lunatic Right.
Both ends of the spectrum should be in an insane asylum.
6chars
(3,967 posts)shira
(30,109 posts).....so more revelations to come.
This is why Israel's Regressive Left is freaking the F-ck out, defending Ezra Nawi, while attacking Uvda.
6chars
(3,967 posts)and people are defending it, it will be up there with the problems in Europe where some people now look bad for covering up sexual assaults by people with whom they sympathize. Definitely not a good look for human rights advocates.
shira
(30,109 posts)Many in Israel's left have been trying to disassociate themselves from Ezra Nawi, the activist who was secretly taped on a Channel 2 news program Uvda bragging about sending Arab land brokers to certain torture if not death in the hands of the Palestinian Authority's Preventive Security service (selling land to Jews is an act of treason under PA law). Those who defended him quickly became the new pariahs of Israel's mass and social media. Then came a follow-up report Monday night showing Nawi was on the payroll of Breaking the Silence and Rabbis for Human Rights.
According to the Channel 2 revelation, Nawi was seen at the Tel Aviv offices of Breaking the Silence, picking up cash and a check for fellow activist Guy Butbia, an activist who tapes the reaction of IDF soldiers to riots Nawi arranges in the area of the southern Hebron Mountain.
The show also offered a photograph of a check to the amount of 1,300 shekels ($330), from Rabbis for Human Rights to Nawi. The NGO explained that the check paid for transportation services and tours Nawi gave to attorneys representing Palestinian land owners in Israeli courts. RHR said they severed their ties with Nawi immediately following the Uvda exposé. They issued a statement saying, "Ezra Nawi worked for us at a fraction of a position in the last few months. We had no awareness of what was broadcast in the Uvda report, and those things stand in stark contrast with the spirit of our organization. Nawi's employment with us has been suspended following the broadcast and we will conduct a hearing with him."
But Breaking the Silence, which has been under attack from all over in the past few weeks, appeared too tired and angry to try and save face. Their belligerent statement of response to the new Channel 2 findings was: "We don't work for the [East German Ministry of State Security, in German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit] Stasi and we don't reply to the Stasi [style] inquiries. Whoever wants a Soviet block style police state - good for them."
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/new-trouble-for-activist-nawi-more-ngo-checks-possible-conspiracy-to-commit-murder/2016/01/12/0/?print
...Meanwhile, right-wing journalist Shai Glick, who filed a police complaint regarding Ezra Nawi's activities, reported a conversation with an investigating police officer who told him the Arab land broker Nawi was conspiring to hand over to the PA is an Israeli citizen. Nawi and several other activists were attempting to invite this Israeli citizen to the Arab village of Yatta, south of Hebron, where PA police would be waiting to arrest him.
This last revelation probably explains why Nawi hightailed it to Ben Gurion International, to catch a flight to anywhere else, when police caught him and took him in for questioning. It's starting to sound like conspiracy to commit murder, which Israel frowns on, regardless of one's political conviction.
Responding to sharp criticism from the left on social media, Uvda producer Ilana Dayan wrote an op-ed piece, the gist of which was: "Dear friends on the left, the right and the center, I have news for you: we dont work for you. Not for the Le'hava people, and not for Ta'ayush, not for the Hill Youths, and not for B'Tselem, not for Bennett and not for Galon, and not for Bibi or Kahlon, or Yair lapid. We have a clear job: to present the story, verify that it's true, new and important. And we are obligated to do it fearlessly and fairly."