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(47,530 posts)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:12 PM Dec 2015

Those Israel Boycotts Are Illegal

The American Anthropological Association (AAA) voted on Nov. 20 to boycott Israel, though the resolution—which would prohibit Israeli academic institutions from any involvement in the organization, such as participation in conferences and hiring events—must still be approved by the group’s full membership in coming months. Ten days later the National Women’s Studies Association voted to call for a boycott of “entities and projects sponsored by the state of Israel.” Boycott votes are also scheduled at the annual meetings of the American Historical Association (AHA) and the Modern Language Association.

The moral myopia and academic perversity of these boycotts have been widely discussed. Less well understood is that in many cases they also are illegal. Under corporate law, an organization, including a nonprofit, can do only what is permitted under the purposes specified in its charter. Boycott resolutions that are beyond the powers of an organization are void, and individual members can sue to have a court declare them invalid. The individuals serving on the boards of these organizations may be liable for damages.

Consider the American Historical Association. Its constitution—a corporate charter—states that its purpose “shall be the promotion of historical studies” and the “broadening of historical knowledge among the general public.” There’s nothing in this charter that would authorize a boycott. And an anti-Israel boycott will do nothing to promote “historical studies” or broaden “historical knowledge.” One can go through similar exercises with the charters of other academic associations.

(snip)

Although some major academic organizations have thousands of members, they are generally run by a small staff and a board that effectively controls the agenda. The purposes named in their charters are meant to protect the overwhelming mass of members who cannot get involved in the minutiae of the organization’s affairs, to ensure that the organization cannot be hijacked for a fundamentally foreign purpose, and to protect minority members. The charter is the minimal assurance that while an organization may act unwisely, it will be at least in the category of fieldwork, education and research, not beekeeping or boycotts.

(snip)

The American Studies Association voted to boycott Israel in December 2013, and the ASA now touts itself on its website as “one of the leading scholarly communities supporting social change.” But the association’s charter says nothing about social change. The ASA is dedicated to “broadening knowledge” about “American culture,” not boycotting a foreign nation.

Recognition of this problem may grow. In March 2014, the Royal Institute of British Architects voted to boycott its Israeli counterpart. Lawyers advised the group about the legal dangers of exceeding its mandate. Later that year the institute rescinded its boycott resolution.

(snip)

Messrs. Solomon and Kontorovich are professors in the law schools, respectively, of the University of California, Berkeley, and Northwestern University.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/those-israel-boycotts-are-illegal-1449013865

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Those Israel Boycotts Are Illegal (Original Post) question everything Dec 2015 OP
You have no clue rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #1
Did the lawyers for the Royal Institute of British Architects also have no clue? FBaggins Dec 2015 #3
UK and US rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #5
Ridiculous spin FBaggins Dec 2015 #16
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #24
so tell us 6chars Dec 2015 #4
You speak gibberish rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #6
let's go with that 6chars Dec 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #30
Do you have any specific examples? question everything Dec 2015 #12
Discussion board rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #31
You're proud to support BDS "as a Jew"? King_David Dec 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #35
I don't mind dissent among Jews King_David Dec 2015 #36
What was gibberish? King_David Dec 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #32
Sorry,I know for 100% sure that your claim is absolute rubbish... King_David Dec 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #37
Lol azurnoir Dec 2015 #2
Oh, this is rich question everything Dec 2015 #13
I don't even know what w what it means though in the context? King_David Dec 2015 #14
I commented but if they are illegal as is claimed b-shur to get back to us azurnoir Dec 2015 #17
Charges? FBaggins Dec 2015 #18
No if something is illegal then legal action can be taken azurnoir Dec 2015 #19
I really don't have nothing to comment? rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #26
Unimpressive and dishonest argumentation. Little Tich Dec 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #9
From what I understand, these organizations take moral positions on many things; Little Tich Dec 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #11
Taking action against perceived human rights violations shouldn't be against any constitution. Little Tich Dec 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #21
True, but I don't know of any case where an academic organization is forbidden to take action Little Tich Dec 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #23
Exactly rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #27
 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
1. You have no clue
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:52 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:58 AM - Edit history (1)

how governance of academic associations works.

But don't let that interfere with your propaganda.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
5. UK and US
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:56 AM
Dec 2015

Two different countries. Two different systems.

I've been a board member for a major academic association.

Again you have no clue.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
16. Ridiculous spin
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

Do you provide any evidence for the difference? Or even a claim to what difference is relevant? Of course not. It's just "I've been a board member... so I know".

The authors are both law professors - do you provide anything beyond bluster for why we should believe they're wrong? Of course not.

I've been a board member for a major academic association.

And I've trained board members for decades on what their responsibilities entail. My experience is that most people in your position are the ones who "don't have a clue" re: those responsibilities.

The one you're looking for here is called "Duty of Obedience". Try looking it up - or at least try to provide a legal analysis refuting the article.

Bluster just makes you look foolish.

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6chars

(3,967 posts)
4. so tell us
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:54 PM
Dec 2015

do they owe it to their members to operate consistently with their constitutions, or because they are academics can the officers just do what they feel like?

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. let's go with that
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:13 AM
Dec 2015

Since academic organizations are academic and not just usual organizations, most of us would never have realized that officers are elected by members. That was an amazingly insightful analysis, which leads to further questions.

In the US, which, admittedly, is not an academic organization, the President of the US is elected by the people, he still has to follow the constitution of the US. The constitution can be amended by its members, not by the president. And failing to follow the constitution violates the trust of the people who built the organization and fought for it and vote, and therefore would (in theory) lead to accountability. If an academic organization elects officers, do they not have to follow the organization's constitution? In that case, why have a constitution? But if they have one and then don't follow it, isn't that common fraud as well as, since these are non-profit, tax fraud?




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question everything

(47,530 posts)
12. Do you have any specific examples?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:24 AM
Dec 2015

So far you are just telling the rest of us that we don't know what we are talking about. Then, if you are oh so knowledgeable why not enlighten us?

This is, in case you are not aware of, a discussion board. Where people come to express their opinion, to debate and rebut and to learn from others.

You might as well claim that Ted Cruz will be the most wonderful president because... you say so.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
31. Discussion board
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:22 AM
Dec 2015

Yes, DU is full of high level discussion of policy and no snark.

You can't discuss anything with radical Zionists.

Freedom of speech is an American institution. Academic associations enjoy it too. You make a false analogy to for profit business governance.

I'm proud to support BDS, as a Jew.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
34. You're proud to support BDS "as a Jew"?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:58 AM
Dec 2015

Who gives a toss if you support BDS as a Jew or otherwise... It doesn't add any credence to your claims , or give you any extra street cred or any special status.

There's about another 100 other Jews who support BDS including Marsha Levine , think that it's gonna impress anyone that you are too?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134120604

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King_David

(14,851 posts)
36. I don't mind dissent among Jews
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

But he's trying to use it as if it gives him extra cred.
Same as Marsha Levine or Richard Falk.

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King_David

(14,851 posts)
33. Sorry,I know for 100% sure that your claim is absolute rubbish...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:49 AM
Dec 2015

And as for your self professed credentials, don't really believe that either...


Sounds like puffery to me.

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question everything

(47,530 posts)
13. Oh, this is rich
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
Dec 2015

Instead of responding and rebutting you resort to an acronym. Perhaps you really don't have nothing to comment.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
17. I commented but if they are illegal as is claimed b-shur to get back to us
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:03 PM
Dec 2015

when charges are brought mm-kay

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. No if something is illegal then legal action can be taken
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

and some lawsuit or whatever could result is not evidence of illegality

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
7. Unimpressive and dishonest argumentation.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:10 AM
Dec 2015

Any organization has the right to vote through resolutions that reflects the moral values of its membership. If that membership wishes to avoid supporting what they consider morally wrong, it should be up to them to do so, as long as it isn't discriminatory.

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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
10. From what I understand, these organizations take moral positions on many things;
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:33 AM
Dec 2015

the environment, child labor, same-sex relations et cetera, but I've never heard it would be against their constitutions to do so. I refuse to believe that Israel is a special issue here, and I've never heard about organizations like the ones in the OP being forbidden to take a moral stand on issues that their members feel strongly about.

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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
20. Taking action against perceived human rights violations shouldn't be against any constitution.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:20 PM
Dec 2015

The reason why these organizations are putting forward BDS resolutions is because it's perceived as a human rights issue. If a BDS resolution is successfully framed as a human rights issue, it's very difficult to accept the arguments in the OP. That must be a hell of a constitution if it would forbid action against human rights violators.

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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
22. True, but I don't know of any case where an academic organization is forbidden to take action
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:57 AM
Dec 2015

against perceived human rights violators.

Israel isn't the only human rights issue, and if organizations like those in the OP have run into trouble for taking action against perceived human rights violators before it would be good to use it for an Israel analogy. Right now, you have no examples to back up your argument, nor does the OP.

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