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Israeli

(4,151 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:54 AM Nov 2015

Why it pays to be a settler in Israel

Summary :

The 2015-2016 state budget reflects well the priorities of the Netanyahu government, with generous funding and allocations to the settlers and religious parties, while neglecting the periphery, the Arabs and Israel's secular heritage.

Author Mazal Mualem
Posted November 20, 2015


During Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin’s second term in office (1992-1995), for example, the budget that was submitted as soon as his new government was formed expressed the new priorities that Rabin tried to instill: less money for political settlements, and more for education, the Arab sector and transportation. There was a guiding hand and a clear social agenda behind the budget. Similarly, the budget approved by the Knesset on Nov. 19 also reflects the current government. In fact, it is the little clauses in the budget that tell the whole story. In 2016, it pays to be a religious settler.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/11/israel-state-budget-2016-settlers-religious-parties-kahlon.html#ixzz3sOCo10q2
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Why it pays to be a settler in Israel (Original Post) Israeli Nov 2015 OP
Illegal settlements aren't rogue, they're government policy Israeli Nov 2015 #1
+1..thank you, Americans do not hear this information through our MSM. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #2
Probably because its all lost in the translation .... Israeli Nov 2015 #3
If that was ever aired on our MSM the neocons would lose their minds over it. lol Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #4
Gav Hauma and Eretz Nehederet...... Israeli Nov 2015 #5
Sometimes you have to read beyond the headline. 6chars Nov 2015 #6
Primarily, they get to have valuable land that does not belong to them. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #7
point being the article is pure propaganda 6chars Nov 2015 #8
They have the land, that's a fact, not propaganda. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #9
~100 square miles ultimately in play 6chars Nov 2015 #11
Without the West Bank, they won't have a viable state, it is about the land, always was. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #12
It was about the land before it was about the land. 6chars Nov 2015 #14
It legally belongs to the Palestinians, period. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #15
because of where the 1949 armistice line with Jordan was? 6chars Nov 2015 #16
Because the ICJ advisory ruling 2004. The West Bank including EJ is OPT. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #17
A UN body makes a statement against Israel = Dog bites man 6chars Nov 2015 #19
That is the arrogance of Israeli policy, and that is one reason their government has no credibility. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #20
This was typical UN anti-Israel 6chars Nov 2015 #21
No, the ICJ is not the UN, they brought the case and the justice did not disagree. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #23
Anti-Semites! Everywhere we look! R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #22
An advisory ruling makes everything beyond an armistice line Palestinian? shira Nov 2015 #32
I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #36
It is OPT, and the US recognizes it as such. The Palestinians are NOT obligated to negotiate Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #37
Of course they're not obliged to negotiate. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #38
The land does not belong to Israel and that's a fact azurnoir Nov 2015 #10
Belongs to the League of Nations Mandate, but so what? 6chars Nov 2015 #13
no it doesn't I but if you wish to go that route it belongs to Arabs because that's who azurnoir Nov 2015 #18
How far back do you want to go? King_David Nov 2015 #26
I counter a claim about the League of Nations perhaps you should have kept reading azurnoir Nov 2015 #28
No it's not fact, King_David Nov 2015 #24
still doesn't belong to Israel and that's a fact azurnoir Nov 2015 #25
Sorry, no it's not fact at all... King_David Nov 2015 #27
If it belonged to Israel then how is it up for negotiations ? azurnoir Nov 2015 #29
Everything will be up for negotiations King_David Nov 2015 #30
well, that's true. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #35
Hmmmm....... Israeli Nov 2015 #31
That's a very good account despite, as they say, difficult to compile. In your opinion, Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #33
Difficult for me to answer.... Israeli Nov 2015 #34

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
1. Illegal settlements aren't rogue, they're government policy
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:30 AM
Nov 2015
Consecutive Israeli governments have fabricated a sophisticated system designed to lend a guise of legality to the seizure of land in the West Bank.

By Adam Aloni

A month ago, with nearly no public debate, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu retroactively approved an urban building plan (UBP) for the West Bank settlement of Itamar. A week later, on October 29, Netanyahu retroactively approved UBPs for another three settlements: Shvut Rachel, Sansana and Yaqir. Once again Israeli authorities “laundered” construction in the West Bank that even they deemed illegal for years. Contrary to attempts in the media to represent this move as a Netanyahu capitulation to settler leaders, this was nothing more than the implementation of a long-standing Israeli policy of extensive unauthorized construction followed by retroactive approval. This allows the state to maintain a semblance of the rule of law while violating it on a daily basis.

In many settlements, the government itself has been responsible for illegal construction, primarily through the Housing and Construction Ministry. An analysis of Defense Ministry data shows that in the overwhelming majority (approximately 75 percent) of West Bank settlements, construction – sometimes extensive construction – was carried out without the necessary permits or in breach of the permits that were granted.

In 2005, the director general of the Settlement Division of the World Zionist Organization, which serves as the Israeli government’s branch for establishing and reinforcing rural settlements, testified that the Settlement Division expressly advocates violating planning and building laws in the West Bank. He said that the modus operandi is first to establish Israeli communities, then reinforce them, and only several years later to approve plans for the construction – “This is the mode of operation”.

The establishment of settlements – with or without building permits – violates international humanitarian law and the human rights of the Palestinian residents of the West Bank. Over the years, Israeli governments have all disregarded this prohibition and fabricated a sophisticated legal system designed to lend a guise of legality to the seizure of land in the West Bank.

While Israel employs the same planning and legal language to describe Israeli and Palestinian construction in the West Bank, in practice these procedures and regulations are implemented completely differently in Jewish-Israeli settlements and in Palestinian communities. In the case of settlements, Israeli authorities provide assistance, turn a blind eye to violations, and retroactively approve unauthorized construction, all as part of a long-standing policy to facilitate the de facto annexation of West Bank land to the sovereign territory of the State of Israel.
Palestinian communities on the other hand, face an exacting, by-the-book, bureaucratic approach, a freeze on planning, and extensively implemented demolition orders, all as part of an ongoing policy to prevent Palestinian development and dispossess Palestinians of their land.

Israeli government policy regarding planning and construction for Palestinians in the West Bank is the very reverse of the modus operandi described above. With regard to Palestinian construction in Area C, the Israeli government cynically explained to the UN that in order “to facilitate proper planning procedures, illegal construction is not tolerated. Such illegal construction harms the local population, given the fact that it does not take into consideration planning policies that will ensure a reasonable quality of life, and public needs.”

However, in practice the government has no such planning policy, nor will it have any such policy. In approximately 70 percent of Area C, Palestinian construction is completely prohibited, while stringent restrictions are imposed on another 29 percent of the area. In the remaining one percent of Area C – some 1,824.3 hectares – there are approved outline plans that enable Palestinian development. However, most of this area is already built up.

In recent years, the Palestinian Authority has prepared outline plans for 116 communities, and 67 plans have already been submitted to the planning bodies in the Israeli army’s Civil Administration for approval. However, these efforts have been to no avail. Only three plans have been approved, and they cover a total area of a mere 57 hectares (equal to 0.02 percent of Area C). This outcome is hardly surprising, given that Palestinians are completely excluded from the decision-making process with regard to planning in Area C.


Israel has surrounded the Palestinian residents of the West Bank in a planning stranglehold, while at the same time approving outline plans for settlements that already cover a total area of 28,217.4 hectares, equal to 8.5 percent of Area C. In addition, Israel has allocated extensive areas to the municipal authorities of the settlements, thereby blocking any Palestinian use of the land and ensuring that it remains available as a reserve for settlement expansion. Given the relative size of the two populations, the planned area for each settler is at least 13 times greater than that for each Palestinian. And that is how Israel expropriates West Bank land for itself at the expense of local Palestinian residents.

Adam Aloni works as a researcher at B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. A version of this article first appeared in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.

Source: http://972mag.com/illegal-settlements-arent-rogue-theyre-government-policy/114182/

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
3. Probably because its all lost in the translation ....
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:48 PM
Nov 2015

Have you ever heard of Lior Schleien ?

He is our version of your Jon Stewart...........







Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. If that was ever aired on our MSM the neocons would lose their minds over it. lol
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

Americans are poorly informed here about the meaning of the settlements
and where they are, what that means in creating a viable state.

They're the pro-bantustan crowd...the neocons that is.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
5. Gav Hauma and Eretz Nehederet......
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

Shame so few episodes are translated to English .

If you could all only understand them all ..............

6chars

(3,967 posts)
6. Sometimes you have to read beyond the headline.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

Here are all the goodies mentioned in the article.

33 million shekels (about $8.5 million) to provide security for Jewish institutions in East Jerusalem, and another 45 million shekels ($11 million) for [providing similar security] the Division of Jewish Settlement. Meanwhile, Knesset member Bezalel Smotrich of the same party was able to obtain 2 million shekels (about $516,000) for a fund to protect the open lands in Judea and Samaria.
73 million shekels (about $18 million) for various budget items, including maintenance of the Western Wall tunnels and support for the Centers to Strengthen Jewish Education. 10 million shekels ($2.5 million) were allocated to a fertility clinic that operates according to Jewish religious law, as per the demands of the ultra-Orthodox parties.

So, this is a total of a little under $30M. For security, education, fertility clinic and maintenance. For the usual type of projects that politicians will get for their constituencies. About 1/10,000 of Israel's GDP. While that's enough to cover a penthouse apartment in Tel Aviv, not sure this is going to make all the settlers rich.



6chars

(3,967 posts)
11. ~100 square miles ultimately in play
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:02 PM
Nov 2015

The amount of land that would have to be swapped in the deals Arafat and Abbas rejected. A ten mile x ten mile chunk (admittedly spread over 3-4 separate places). There is a ranch in Texas 10x bigger. It's not about the land.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. Because the ICJ advisory ruling 2004. The West Bank including EJ is OPT.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

It belongs to the Palestinians.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
19. A UN body makes a statement against Israel = Dog bites man
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:57 PM
Nov 2015

UN is always full of shit - Jew hating shit - when it comes to Israel and has no moral credibility whatsoever. As to legal, as opposed to moral, power of an advisory opinion - nil.

If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions, and there would be an advisory opinion that Israel that Israel owes the world a new planet.

More specifically, it does not legally belong to the Palestinians, period.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. That is the arrogance of Israeli policy, and that is one reason their government has no credibility.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:01 PM
Nov 2015

ICJ is not the the UN, btw. 15 world jurists, not shabby. The US Justice was a Holocaust survivor.

You're poorly informed.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
21. This was typical UN anti-Israel
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:26 PM
Nov 2015

The justice who was a Holocaust survivor disagreed with the anti-Israel opinion. The opinion doesn't say what you said it does anyway. Sorry to be the better informed one.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. No, the ICJ is not the UN, they brought the case and the justice did not disagree.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:59 PM
Nov 2015

You're doing a terrible disservice to the entire legal process but at least
you have defined yourself as respectful of the law as Israel.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
32. An advisory ruling makes everything beyond an armistice line Palestinian?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 06:22 AM
Nov 2015

You can't be serious, can you?

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
36. I'm sorry, but that's simply not true.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:23 AM
Nov 2015
Because the ICJ advisory ruling 2004. The West Bank including EJ is OPT.


You mean the nonbinding advisory ruling? The one that never actually said anywhere that the WB or EJ belongs to Palestine? That's how you know the WB and EJ is legally Palestinian land, huh?

Regardless of whether the ICJ chooses to classify those areas as occupied territory, in no way does it follow that they legally belong to Palestine. The ICJ doesn't have the jurisdiction to give it to Palestine either. Or to invalidate the terms of the agreement between Israel and the PA stating that borders will be determined by negotiation.

This is all, of course, besides the point. Because the ruling you're referencing was just an advisory opinion. And never even said what you're saying it did.

But even if it did, it's nonbinding.

But it didn't anyway.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
37. It is OPT, and the US recognizes it as such. The Palestinians are NOT obligated to negotiate
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:34 AM
Nov 2015

with the Israeli government. You're deeply confused with the politics of this conflict
vs the law.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
38. Of course they're not obliged to negotiate.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:43 AM
Nov 2015

They haven't yet so far. But as of yet none of the land legally belongs to them... Except for gaza.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. no it doesn't I but if you wish to go that route it belongs to Arabs because that's who
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

British Empire promised it to first in 1915

King_David

(14,851 posts)
26. How far back do you want to go?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:13 AM
Nov 2015

It's not fact at all .. Absolutely everything is up for negotiations- land peace security.
There will be nothing without all 3 and I think they should throw in lgbt right to life into that too.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. I counter a claim about the League of Nations perhaps you should have kept reading
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:14 AM
Nov 2015

helps to understand

King_David

(14,851 posts)
30. Everything will be up for negotiations
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:24 AM
Nov 2015

Since Palestine never existed as a country before everything's going to be new acquisitions, negotiations... With peace and security and hopefully after a hefty dose of pink washing with a bit of luck secure LGBT rights too.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
31. Hmmmm.......
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:42 AM
Nov 2015

Try here Jefferson23 ......

The Price of Settlements

August 2013

Peace Now presents a thorough report analyizing the Israeli Government's extra funds to the Settlements.

Download the full report @

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/PriceOfSettlements

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
33. That's a very good account despite, as they say, difficult to compile. In your opinion,
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015

roughly what percentage of Israeli's know about those figures?

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
34. Difficult for me to answer....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

Everyone knows about Peace Now and their 'Settlement Watch' team how many actually bother to read their reports ?.......who knows .

But its the best place for anyone interested on anything to do with the settlements .

See here : http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/reports

They even have an Americans for Peace Now : http://peacenow.org/

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