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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:19 AM Nov 2015

Wave of demolition by explosives: Israeli security forces demolish 14 homes as collective punishment

Full title: Wave of demolition by explosives: Israeli security forces demolish 14 homes as collective punishment – more than half belonged to neighbors

Published:
17 Nov 2015

On 15 November 2015, about half an hour after midnight, a large number of Israeli security forces entered Qalandia Refugee Camp in the West Bank in order to demolish by detonation the home of Muhammad Abu Shahin, a Palestinian held on charges of killing Danny Gonen, an Israeli, on 19 June 2015. Until the arrest, Abu Shahin lived with his wife and two daughters – both of them minors – in an apartment he rented from relatives on the top floor of a three-story building. A few days earlier, on 12 November, Israel’s High Court of Justice (HCJ) rejected a petition against the planned demolition filed by human rights organization HaMoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual. Consequently, Abu Shahin’s wife and daughters vacated the apartment and moved into a vacant apartment located on the second floor of the building.





Security forces called on loudspeakers to the residents of nearby houses, instructing them to leave their homes and move about 100 meters away. When Abu Shahin’s apartment was blown up, the apartment on the floor below it was also damaged, as was an apartment in a nearby building that was home to four people, including two minors. Both apartments were severely damaged and are no longer habitable. Another five apartments in nearby buildings were also damaged, but to a lesser extent. Initial information gathered by B’Tselem indicates that while the security forces were in the refugee camp on the demolition mission, an exchange of gunfire developed between them and local residents; Ahmad Abu al-‘Eish, 30, and Laith As’ad, 20, were killed by Israeli gunfire. Three other Palestinians were taken to hospital after sustaining wounds from live fire or rubber-coated metal bullets. B’Tselem’s investigation of the incident is under way.

The day before, in the early hours of Saturday 14 November, Israeli security forces came to the city of Nablus and the village of Silwad, Ramallah District, and blew up five apartments as collective punishment for attacks against Israelis carried out by relatives of the homes’ inhabitants. The force of the blasts severely damaged six other apartments, making them uninhabitable, and caused some damage to 16 other structures nearby. In Nablus, security forces blew up four apartments that were home to relatives of the three Palestinians suspected of killing Israelis Na’ama and Eitam Henkin on 1 October 2015, leaving fourteen people homeless. The force of the blast destroyed six other apartments that were not slated for demolition, so the actions of Israel’s security forces left another sixteen persons homeless.

http://www.btselem.org/punitive_demolitions/20151117_security_forced_demolish_14_homes

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Wave of demolition by explosives: Israeli security forces demolish 14 homes as collective punishment (Original Post) Jefferson23 Nov 2015 OP
Hmmm atreides1 Nov 2015 #1
Godwin Award Winner of the Day! Disgusting. nt COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #2
It almost seems like you are comparing Israel to Nazi Germany oberliner Nov 2015 #3
What happens when somebody does, ober? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #10
comparing Jews to Nazis should be done extremly rarely and only geek tragedy Nov 2015 #11
Thank you for that. n/t shira Nov 2015 #12
What about if the comparison fits? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #17
the extremely strong presumption is that it does not. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #20
This is terrorism. procon Nov 2015 #4
+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #5
Laws are for others............n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #6
Boycott Israel & collectively punish their citizens in retribution! shira Nov 2015 #7
What really outrages haters 6chars Nov 2015 #8
so you feel making an entire family homeless for what a member did is justified? azurnoir Nov 2015 #9
... shira Nov 2015 #13
and in your mind that justifies the destruction of an entire families home? azurnoir Nov 2015 #14
I personally think that these house demolitions are a bad idea. Little Tich Nov 2015 #16
It works... shira Nov 2015 #19
Lawless Israel, absolutely lawless. Your support for it would extend to a Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #21
The policy saves lives. Think of a better policy & I'm all for it. shira Nov 2015 #23
The immorality and illegality of Israeli policy is unclear only to the blind and uninformed. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #25
Not according to a military commission who studied the practice azurnoir Nov 2015 #22
It does, according to the study in #19 above. n/t shira Nov 2015 #24
a study done a decade after the fact to justify demolitions today is more valid than Israeli militar azurnoir Nov 2015 #26
Israel knows very well that this sick policy of punishing the families of terrorists only begets Little Tich Nov 2015 #15
Yes, but no one to stop them, most of the Israeli citizens seem fine with it. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #18
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. comparing Jews to Nazis should be done extremly rarely and only
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:30 PM
Nov 2015

when something is so awful and horrendous that no other comparison applies.

Otherwise, it's really gross, at best.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. the extremely strong presumption is that it does not.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:45 AM
Nov 2015

I'd reserve it for people like Howard Stern who contemplate a final solution for the Palestinians.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. This is terrorism.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:52 AM
Nov 2015

After the Israeli police warn the neighbors to evacuate, how can anyone think that a single unit in a 3 story apartment building can be demolished with explosives without causing major structural damage the entire building and adjoining properties? Worse, the building isn't owned by the person who is in Israeli custody, nor does it belong to his family, the property owner is being victimized and punished for an alleged crime that he isn't even charged with. How is this just?

This discriminatory collective punishment is how Israel's apartheid works, stripping away the basics of human dignity, safety and security, shelter, and the livelihoods of the captive people of Palestine. If a crime was committed, let Israel follow the principles of fair and equal justice for all, not just reserve it for themselves.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. Boycott Israel & collectively punish their citizens in retribution!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

Let's be outraged more by the demolition of a terrorists' home than by the murder he committed.

Cuz Jewish lives don't matter....

Terrorist homes matter, making the blood boil hotter than any "settler" lives taken by him.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. What really outrages haters
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:31 PM
Nov 2015

is Israel building apartments. As if that is something that causes suffering and murder doesn't.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. so you feel making an entire family homeless for what a member did is justified?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

waiting for predictable response about "salaries"

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
16. I personally think that these house demolitions are a bad idea.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:02 PM
Nov 2015

Do you think they are an appropriate response to terrorism, or are there other measures that would be better?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. It works...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:42 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israeli-home-demolitions-deter-Palestinian-terrorism-study-finds-384205

Saving lives are more important than saving the homes of murderers.

What do you have in mind that would work better?

Understand, anything Israel does to prevent, punish, or defend is always wrong according to Jew haters who believe the only right Jews have is to take it and die.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. Lawless Israel, absolutely lawless. Your support for it would extend to a
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

neighborhood near you? hmmm

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
23. The policy saves lives. Think of a better policy & I'm all for it.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:13 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone believing terrorist homes take precedence over innocent lives has a broken moral compass.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. Not according to a military commission who studied the practice
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015
In early 2005 the Israeli Defense Minister adopted the recommendation of a military commission charged with investigating the issue and ordered that home demolition as a punitive measure cease. His decision was made partly in view of the commission’s finding that that the deterrent value of demolitions had not been proven, and that the policy may in fact have the opposite effect.


http://www.btselem.org/topic/punitive_demolitions

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
26. a study done a decade after the fact to justify demolitions today is more valid than Israeli militar
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
Nov 2015

done at the time?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
15. Israel knows very well that this sick policy of punishing the families of terrorists only begets
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:59 PM
Nov 2015

terrorism.

Still, the right-wing extremists in charge keep on doing it. Stopping these demolitions is only a small step towards curbing the violence, but it's worth taking.

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