Israel Says Paris Attacks Prove Its Point About Terror — But Europe Disagrees

[Little Tich]

Source: The Forward

In the days after Islamic State terrorists attacked Paris, killing 129, Israeli officials had a message for the people of France: We feel your pain.

The Paris attacks came on the heels of a bloody six weeks in Israel and the Palestinian Territories, in which 14 Israelis and more than 70 Palestinians have been killed. On the day of the Paris assault, two Israelis were shot by a Palestinian attacker near the Otniel settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

In a statement announcing that Israeli security had apprehended the West Bank killer, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made no secret of his message tying the bloodshed in Israel and France.

“The terrorists who attack us have the same murderous intent as those in Paris,” he said.

He was echoed the next day by Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat in an op-ed in the Times of Israel. “Terrorism in Paris, Jerusalem and around the globe is fueled by the same murderous hatred and extremist ideology that aims to abolish our civilization and our values,” he wrote.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/324954/why-israel-says-paris-attacks-prove-its-point-about-terror-but-europe-disag/

[shira]

1. Yep, same Europe that 75 years ago didn't believe Jewish lives mattered.

Terrorism is based on hatred, whether directed against Jews in Israel or in France, or against non-Jews on a Friday night in Paris.

[DetlefK]

2. That's an over-simplification and you know that.

You are trying to co-opt terrorism as a phenomenon here for Israel, intentionally ignoring that terrorism not only has emotional, but also religious, economic, political and military reasons.

[shira]

3. Bullshit. And as proof, try to distinguish between terror attacks on Jews....

...in the 1920's (Hebron massacre for example) vs. the terror today.

I argue no damned difference.

It's pure hate. Being from Germany, you learned about it and know damned well how deep that hatred goes. It doesn't just disappear after 75 years.

[DetlefK]

4. I really don't get your argument.

"1. All terror is based on hatred. 2. The terror in Israel is based on hatred. => Conclusion: Israel is a model for terrorism everywhere."

This is demonstrably false.

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Concerning 1:

What about terror that is an extension of religion?
Charles Manson had a cult and this cult killed for him in the name of his philosophy and world-view.
The sarin-gas attack on the Tokyo-subway in 1995 was commited by the Aum-sect, for religious reasons.

What about terror that is an extension of politics?
Using falsified intelligence to frighten the US-voters into supporting a needless war of aggression?
Or Stalin's system of pro-active snitching where anybody could be declared an enemy of the state anytime for any reason and accusation?

What about terror that is an extension of economics?
Like Coca-Cola hiring paramilitaries to kill union-leaders.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/26/world/union-says-coca-cola-in-colombia-uses-thugs.html

What about terror that is an extension of military tactics?
Like the US-strategy in 2006 to use iraqi death-squads that liberally kill any perceived trouble-maker until the Iraqis stop making trouble.

Where do you see hatred in those? These acts of (state-)terrorism were committed in cold blood.

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Concerning 2:

Stop pretending that hatred and Anti-Semitism are the only possible explanations why a Palestinian might wish to harm Israel.

What about a Palestinian who sees a friend or relative killed by the IDF?

What about a Palestinian who sees his family's house bulldozed by the IDF to make way for settlers?

What about a Palestinian who sees a building-permit denied so he can't even build a new house?

What about a Palestinian who sees his livelihood destroyed because settlers torched his olive- and citrus-grove?

What about a Palestinian who sees the IDF breaking the law by protecting law-breaking settlers?

What about a Palestinian who loses his job thanks to IDF-checkpoints making his commute one hour longer each way and sometimes closing altogether?

What about a Palestinian who sees a holy site of Islam threatened by a non-islamic government?

What about a Palestinian who grows up in front of the barrel of a gun and lives in front of the barrel of a gun?

[shira]

6. To both your points....

1. I'm arguing that what we see from Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Mufti, Arafat, Abbas is religious based Jihadi extremism, no different than that of ISIS. Just as Christians and Yazidis are an endangered species throughout the mideast as their numbers dwindle to miniscule amounts, so too are Jews who are all but extinct in the same places. Hate of the other. Add to that Jihadi terror against secular Muslims. Sunni vs. Shia madness.

2. Stop pretending that hatred and Anti-Semitism are the only possible explanations why a Palestinian might wish to harm Israel.

What about a Palestinian who sees a friend or relative killed by the IDF?

What about a Palestinian who sees his family's house bulldozed by the IDF to make way for settlers?

What about a Palestinian who sees a building-permit denied so he can't even build a new house?

....

Far worse happens around the world, but we don't see oppressed folks vowing to blow up or slash to death children and elderly people who they dehumanize as apes and pigs - all of whom should be killed (genocide).

Sure, Palestinians have it bad - others around the world would gladly trade places with Palestinians since they have it much worse - but what would lead someone to want to kill mass numbers of Jews? Or want to behead or expel or enslave Christians, Blacks, Yazidis, and Kurds?

Jihadi extremism.

Methods and ideologies differ between Hamas, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad but they all share the same intolerance, hate, and thuggery...

[Little Tich]

8. Do you have an actual connection at all?

It seems as if these groups have different ideologies, goals, structure and geographical connection... Just because it's possible to use a common description for these groups doesn't mean that they're actually connected to each other.

Please don't fall for the official Israeli government line - they're wrong, and they're only trying to score cheap political points.

[shira]

11. Yes, pay attention. The reason there are no Jews in that region outside of Israel....

...is the same reason Christians, Yazidis, and Alawites are an endangered species there.

Extreme Jihadi supremacism.

Same reason no Jews can live in Gaza or under PA control in the W.Bank. It's why Christians in the Palestinian territories are nearly extinct as well.

Jewish teacher in Marseille stabbed by IS-supporting gang
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-teacher-stabbed-by-anti-semitic-gang-in-marseille/

What's the difference between the Jewish teacher in Marseille and any Jew stabbed in Israel?

[DetlefK]

9. ?

1. You cannot flat-out mix up different instances of jihadi extremism because those movements consist of people from different economic/cultural/political backgrounds. You cannot simply exclude ad hoc the possibility that there are other reasons besides the religious ones.

2. Who would want to rather live in the Westbank?

And you are mistaken when you think that Israel somehow has unique problems in that:
Iraq's Sunnis mistreated the Shias during Saddam Hussein's reign.
Then the Al-Maliki government came and the Shias mistreated the Sunnis.
Then the Sunnis formed Daesh and now they are back to mistreating the Shias again.

Or how about Syria?
Assad, an Alawite, ruined Syria economically until a civil-war broke out.
The Syrians now project their hatred for Assad on the Alawites.
And the Alawites really are neutral in this but now they are forced to side with a bloodthirsty dictator for the sake of their own survival.

Or how about Turkey?
Turkey has wiped out kurdish villages. It has tortured Kurds. Germany actually had a problem with kurdish criminals and terrorists in the 1990s but couldn't send them back to Turkey for humanitarian reasons because they would have been a 100% tortured and executed there. Turkish and kurdish use the same alphabet, kurdish just has some letters more. Turkey has outlawed those kurdish-specific letters from publications in Turkey so the kurdish language cannot be properly used in Turkey. And for some reason the PKK really hates Turkey...

[shira]

10. Explain why no Jews in mideast outside Israel, why Yazidis are nearly extinct.....

....why Christians are an endangered species there. Add the Alawites to the near-extinct list as well. I don't think you have any idea what's happening in that region, but you do now.

My explanation is extreme Jihadi supremacism.

What's yours?

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You don't realize there are situations in the world FAR worse for people than Palestinians? Do you have any idea what China has done to Tibet? If so, why aren't Tibetans calling for genocide against the Chinese, sending out suicide bombers, and praising children who kill and maim Chinese children and old women?

[shira]

12. Jewish teacher in Marseille stabbed by IS-supporting gang

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-teacher-stabbed-by-anti-semitic-gang-in-marseille/

What leads people to go out, find, and then kill random Jews? What led the Nazis in your native Germany to do this?

Same motive as those massacring Jews in Hebron, 1929 - at the behest of Hitler's favorite Mufti.

It's not about a legitimate grievance to occupation and settlements. It's about killing Jews for being Jews.

[geek tragedy]

5. Netanyahu tries to exploit every overseas terrorist attack. he's a ghoul and a vulture nt

[shira]

7. Ghouls are those who believe Parisian lives matter, but not Jews - due to terror. n/t