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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday that the Palestinians wouldnt allow Israelis to desecrate Islamic and Christian holy sites in Jerusalem.
Referring to the tensions surrounding visits by Jews to the Temple Mount, Abbas said: Al-Aksa is ours and so is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. They have no right to desecrate them with their filthy feet. We wont allow them to do so and we will do whatever we can to defend Jerusalem.
Abbas was speaking in his office in Ramallah during a meeting with east Jerusalem activists.
Abbas said that the Palestinians were determined to prevent Israel from passing its scheme to divide the Aksa Mosque compound. There will be no Palestinian state without Jerusalem, he stressed. We are in Jerusalem and we will stay in it to defend our Islamic and Christian holy sites. Were not going to leave our country.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-Israelis-have-no-right-to-desecrate-our-holy-sites-with-their-filthy-feet-416307
6chars
(3,967 posts)Everyone has them. Jews wash them.
Jews are desecration - this from the head of state and partner for peace. Hooray! Well, anyone can say anything about Israelis and Jews these days and no good person will take offense or take note.
Wonder how DU, Obama, etc. would react if Netanyahu said the same about Palestinians.
EDIT: "Good person" above is sarcastic. Don't want a hide for having something that someone will interpret in an obviously wrong way.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)He is talking about feet .
Muslims have to wash their feet outside before entering a mosque ....not doing so is a desecration.
He never said " Jews " .....he said " Israelis have no right to desecrate our holy sites with their filthy feet " .
King_David
(14,851 posts)Gee who else was left , if not Jews ?
Israeli
(4,151 posts)East Jerusalem KD .
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I get that.
But the filthy feet part.. He wasn't talking about Muslims or Chritians Israelis.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Abbas should avoid talking like a minister from the Israeli government.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Like Abbas denying holocaust, Hamas calling for a new one, etc.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Palestinian side makes statements like this all the time, but they are only covered in English in sources that are "dodgy" so they can just be dismissed.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I'm sure you could find a few juicy Palestinian quotes if you want...
Ayelet Shaked (Israeli Justice Minister) on Palestinians:
"They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
Source: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/netanyahu-palestinians-government
MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan (Israeli deputy Defence Minister)
(Palestinians) are beasts, they are not human.
Source: http://972mag.com/next-head-of-civil-administration-said-palestinians-are-sub-human/106533/
Naftali Bennett, (Israel's Minister of Education)
I have killed lots of Arabs in my life and there is no problem with that.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Bennett-under-fire-for-comments-about-killing-Arabs-321467
Mosby
(16,319 posts)The only thing your links prove is that some Israeli right wingers are bigots.
what a shock.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)And it is becoming an ugly word because of their actions and words.
Some Democrasy.
But some just love to defend this brand of corrupted zionism.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Those assholes are no different than david duke and ann coulter, and they sit in the Israeli government.
They speak for Israeli zionism through their words and actions, and it is not a pretty sight.
But, no, it is not my wish. My wish would be for sanity in Israeli government and not illegal-bigot-colonists calling the shots.
shira
(30,109 posts)...rather than being the backbone of the noble & honorable BDS movement. And now this.
I don't know about you, but I'm still waiting to find out whether there's even one leader from all of BDS who isn't a bigot. I think I'll be waiting a while for that one...
And yet, 3 whackjobs from Israel's government represent Israel & Zionism....
Same as Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, & Donald Trump obviously representing the US government.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)of the woefully misinformed.
Those three wackjobs are IN the Israeli government.
Cruise and Paul represent their constituents in congress.
A valid comparison would be if you compared the three wackjobs to members of the cabinet: in charge of policy. Do you understand how government works let alone how to make a valid comparison?
And, yes, once again you attempt, poorly I might add, to suggest that BDS needs leadership for you to attack. What you apoarently miss every time is that a global movement doesn't need a leader when it encompases so many people.
That is what drove the right wingers crazy about OWS. They desperately needed a leader as well to disgrace, shira, but it was a movement of so many people that were pissed off at Wall Street.
So in that same way, the world is pissed at Israel, the apartheid state. It doesn't need leadership since so many people are now speaking out against Israel and its right wing leaders; who have coopted zionisn for their own dark plans.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the person you're defending by deflection is a holocaust denier:
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/170686/mahmoud-abbas-still-a-holocaust-denier
Would you really like me to take the time to find what some senior Palestinians have to say about Israelis and Jews? Are you sure you want that? Because I can promise you only humiliation for making the claim that disgusting quotes are usually from Israelis.
You know what? Fuck it, you don't deserve a second chance to change you mind on that kind of bullshit:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/05/hamas-tv-teaches-children-to-kill-all-jews/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks
https://books.google.com/books?id=HwqMloAXJYMC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=palestinians+school+teaches+jews+are+monkeys&source=bl&ots=bOao4s5uQ_&sig=dkrKsexK6SkKVKJuj5C_eZkjy-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBTgKahUKEwj0pZfs9_7HAhUCOT4KHRu2Amk#v=onepage&q=palestinians%20school%20teaches%20jews%20are%20monkeys&f=false
http://muslimdebate.org/theological-arguments/answering-islamophobic-claims/356-why-does-the-quran-refer-to-some-jews-as-apes-and-pigs
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Abbas-wants-not-a-single-Israeli-in-future-Palestinian-state-321470
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I took a look at your "evidence" and I didn't feel convinced.
Abbas has already changed his position on the Holocaust, he knows it happened, he was told about it, repeatedly. Then there's a video from PMW - they're useless, they make faulty translations all the time. And yes, Palestinian and Israeli textbooks are pretty much the same, even though the Palestinians are actually the ones trying to improve them...
I don't even understand what you're trying to prove with the "apes & pigs" thing, at best you could prove that some Palestinians display negative attitudes towards Jews - but some Israelis display the same attitudes against Palestinians.
And finally there's an article about Abbas not wanting a single Israeli in the Palestinian state. It seems pretty clear to me that he means those being there illegally, either as settlers or part of the occupying force. All other Israelis are probably welcome to visit whenever they like.
If this is all you can come up with, your argument is pretty weak.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)twisted view of what winning looks like when you claim that "some" Palestinians have disgusting views of Jews WHEN THEY'RE LEARNING THIS IN THEIR SCHOOLS. If you think that's weak, I seriously feel sorry for you. And your interpretation of what Abbas said is comical although I don't blame you for trying to pretend otherwise - you'd have to actually be fair about your disapproval and you're obviously completely unable to do that. You are simply not being honest (with yourself or anyone here) or simply don't care what the Palestinians say. Your opinion has become worthless to me.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I can't believe you would even post such obvious bullshit. You should be embarrassed.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)when I visit the Temple Mount next month. Asshole.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)He was not referring to the compound area ....or Temple Mount if you prefer ....he was referring to the mosque :
ref : ........
Source: http://www.imemc.org/article/73028
Circumstances aside .....seriously , would you enter a church or synagogue without following the rules of entry such as dress code head covering etc ....if you want to visit a mosque you have to remove your shoes .
Comments like yours above do nothing but perpetuate the hatred .....try understanding and respecting other faiths and their customs .....peace will come when we learn to live together .
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)He said nothing about the mosque. Only the Temple Mount. I appreciate you wanting to qualify what YOU think he SHOULD have said but that's not being honest.
And I've never entered that mosque although I've been on the mount many times. Simply no desire.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)....is all about the mosque/'s
"" And I've never entered that mosque although I've been on the mount many times. Simply no desire. ""
Shame ....you missed out ...both of them are beautiful inside ....except for the smell of cheesy feet .
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It was my very first visit to Israel (almost 30 years ago) - I even had taken off my shoes and put them in my trusty backpack- but there was a group nearby who looked at us with such hostility, we all looked at each other and said no - we obviously we weren't wanted there so I never wanted to go back. That mosque - to me - represents only a desire to remove Jewish history from Jerusalem.
shira
(30,109 posts)It was beautiful back then.
Good luck getting in now.
That was 1976. We flew out of the US a couple days after the raid on Entebbe & made a stop at Yoni Netanyahu's new grave.