Palestinian women fight and bite Israeli soldier after he put boy with a broken arm in a headlock

[Cali_Democrat]

Cowardly Israeli soldiers love to pick on women and children.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3214441/Remarkable-moment-young-girl-bites-Israeli-soldier-two-women-overpower-puts-Palestinian-boy-broken-arm-headlock-gunpoint-clashes-West-Bank.html

Extraordinary moment that desperate Palestinian women fought and BIT an Israeli soldier after he put boy with a broken arm in a headlock at gunpoint

Israeli soldier pins boy to the floor with machine gun held up near his cheek in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh

But the gunman is ambushed by young girl who forces weapon from his hand and two women who claw at his face

The soldier eventually flees the scene, leaving the young girl to cradle the terrified boy in her arms on the ground

Clash happened during demonstrastions against Palestinian land confiscation to expand nearby Jewish settlement

[Mosby]

1. crazy situation.

The pictures clearly show people assaulting the IDF person.

I wonder what prompted the IDF guy to restrain the kid.

In other news, 71 arabs suffocated in a van yesterday in Austria trying to find refuge in Europe, I wonder why the daily mail has nothing to say about that.

Hmmm.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Actually...

...the pictures clearly show the IDF soldier assaulting a child and the women responding.

In other news, the Daily Mail did report on the 71 migrants who died.

Fail.

[Mosby]

4. who initiated the contact?

Your assuming.

The girl in the pic who is biting the hand of thhe IDF guy is A'hd Tamimi, why don't you look her up.

I'll wait.

FYI - I posted about the migrant deaths. Why don't you show me the link to the daily mail coverage?

[Cali_Democrat]

6. going by the pictures...

The soldier was assaulting the boy and then then women responded.

Here's the coverage of the migrant deaths by DM.

Not sure what that has to do with the OP, but whatever:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213858/Migrant-death-toll-chicken-meat-truck-rises-70.html

Since you're so interested in extraneous stories, here's a DM story on Kim Kardashian:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3213360/Kim-Kardashian-squeezes-skintight-dress-keeps-balance-stilettos-aboard-Khloe-s-lavish-yacht-party.html

[Mosby]

8. If this is just a joke to you I'm done.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. You seem interested in stories that have nothing to do with the OP

So I gave you the latest on Kim Kardashian.

[Mosby]

11. Do you seriously think the IDF soldier just put the kid in a headlock for the hell of it?

Really?

I'm guessing that maybe he was doing something he wasn't supposed to do like throwing rocks or petrol bombs but the photographers don't want to show that because they have an agenda.

If you disagree then where are the pics leading up to the incident?

It's funny all right.

[Mosby]

12. Here she is with her brother and sister assaulting another IFD soldier

Her mom is behind her pushing her into the IDF guys.

Some sick shit.

In the US this would be child abuse.

[grossproffit]

61. Where'd you go? "biting attacker is revealed as prolific 'Pallywood star'"

Your 'story' has been updated with new information.

[azurnoir]

19. the Tamimi family has long been a target of 'pro'Israel ire Bassem is the girls father

http://972mag.com/amnesty-international-calls-for-release-of-bassem-tamimi-prisoner-of-conscience/59063/

http://972mag.com/idf-closes-probe-into-2011-killing-of-mustafa-tamimi-in-nabi-saleh/83059/

[shira]

15. Child abuse. Same girl as a few years ago, used as a propaganda tool...

[azurnoir]

18. yes she certainly was used as a propaganda by 'some' as seen here the bigoted term Pallywood in the

the thread title tells us all we need to know

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113420503

[shira]

24. The term is no more bigoted than Israellywood. And you're deflecting....

The girl is being abused by her adult handlers in the ISM who use Palestinian children as propaganda tools. Here's the video from yesterday. Notice how many times she looks around to see whether the cameras are rolling. Just as she did a couple years ago in the other video on this thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=166&v=pvJNYjzm9jk

And here's Amnesty International using her for propaganda purposes too. She was never arrested or detained...
https://act.amnestyusa.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1839&ea.campaign.id=39547&ea.tracking.id=Country_IsraelandOccupiedPalestinianTerritories~MessagingCategory_ChildrensRights~MessagingCategory_InternationalJustice~MessagingCategory_PrisonersandPeopleatRisk~Region_MiddleEastandNorthAfrica&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IOTPA&linkId=14880957

[grossproffit]

28. All this shows me is that you 2 have been arguing for nearly 3 years.

[King_David]

51. Yep you right was a total snoozefest....

[oberliner]

52. I thought I had some great posts in that thread

I was much more thoughtful and comprehensive in those days.

[King_David]

54. LOL , you are right...

I only read my posts and the other exchange when I described it as a snoozefest.....

Apologies , your posts were interesting , informative and brilliant as they usually are.

[oberliner]

58. Hard to believe we've been at this for so long

A little depressing, to be honest.

[King_David]

62. And if you read the thread it's all the same...

3 years later

[Scootaloo]

77. Well, gotta admire Azurnoir's efforts in trying to talk sense to someone

Wasted effort, perhaps, but hey.

[King_David]

29. How is the term "bigoted"

Please explain how the term is "bigoted ".

Do you have a better more PC term to describe the staged events by actors against the IDF that we regularly see?

[azurnoir]

37. ‘Pallywood’: A particularly ugly ethnic slur- BTW coined by Richard "don't vote for Obama" Landes

And a very popular one among right-wing Israelis and Diaspora Jews.

I’ve been writing for years against the “Pallywood” theory – the right-wing notion that videos showing Palestinians getting killed by Israelis are really elaborate fakes meant to blacken Israel’s name. Yet it’s only this morning I realized that the term “Pallywood,” which was coined by Boston University Prof. Richard Landes, is an ethnic slur, and a particularly ugly one.

It not only mangles the name of an entire people, it does so in the most contemptuous context – it links the name Palestinian with the telling of lies, and not just any lies, but lies about Palestinian deaths at the hands of their conquerors.

Pallywood. Compared to that, referring to New York as “Hymietown” is mild stuff.

What a bigoted term Landes invented, and what a popular one it is in the Israeli/right-wing Jewish political lexicon. A Google search for “Pallywood” this morning turned up 406,000 entries. There’s a Wikipedia page for it, too.

http://972mag.com/a-particularly-ugly-ethnic-slur-pallywood/98824/

If you can’t vote for Romney, Don’t vote for Obama: An Open Letter to Americans of all Faiths and Skepticisms
NOVEMBER 05, 2012 RICHARD LANDES

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2012/11/05/if-you-cant-vote-for-romney-dont-vote-for-obama-an-open-letter-to-americans-of-all-faiths-and-skepticisms/

[shira]

38. So Greta Berlin's biggest defender is your arbiter on bigotry?

Can you do any better than Derfner?

[azurnoir]

41. Aren't you personally 'acquainted' with Landes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=47864

strange you seem to defend someone who told us not to vote for a Democratic POTUS

[shira]

43. I don't blame you for deflecting from Derfner / Greta Berlin....

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Still wish to claim the term is bigoted?

As to Landes, I've met him a couple times. Where do you see me defending him? He's a big boy who can defend himself very well. I think it's hilarious you assume I agree 100% with everything Landes says or writes.

[azurnoir]

44. the term Pallywood is bigoted your attempt to deflect from that is a massive fail

and I don't assume anything

[oberliner]

45. What about hasbarista?

Is that one bigoted?

[azurnoir]

46. unlike Pallywood it's not an ethnic slur

[shira]

47. So Israellywood is an ethnic slur? All you have is Derfner...

...agreeing with you. No one credible claims the term is bigoted.

Also, Palestinian isn't an ethnicity, so it can't be an ethnic slur.

[azurnoir]

59. Is Israel a specific ethnicity? and actually there was a thread posted here based on the article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113487495

[oberliner]

48. They both mean making BS up for propaganda purposes

One term suggests Palestinians doing it - the other suggests Israelis doing it.

What is the distinction that you think makes one an ethnic slur and one not?

[azurnoir]

55. Palestinians are an ethnic group, Israeli is not

[oberliner]

57. Maybe just a neutral term like propaganda can be used in both cases

I personally find both terms to be distasteful and try to avoid using either one.

[shira]

64. Get real. They're both nationalities, not ethnic groups.

When all you have is Derfner to call it bigotry, given his stance on Greta Berlin, you have no case to build on.

[King_David]

65. Where do you get that from ? Palestinians are NOT an Ethnic Group, nor do they define themselves as such,

The Palestinian National Charter, as amended by the PLO's Palestine National Council in July 1968, defined "Palestinians" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father – whether in Palestine or outside it – is also a Palestinian."[55] Note that "Arab nationals" is not religious-specific, and it implicitly includes not only the Arabic-speaking Muslims of Palestine, but also the Arabic-speaking Christians of Palestine and other religious communities of Palestine who were at that time Arabic-speakers, such as the Samaritans and Druze. Thus, the Jews of Palestine were/are also included, although limited only to "the [Arabic-speaking] Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the [pre-state] Zionist invasion." The Charter also states that "Palestine with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit."[55][56]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

[King_David]

49. I do not think it is bigoted,

No more than Bollywood is......

Sorry , nope the term is not bigoted, no more than Hasbarita.

[shira]

39. It's not. It's a deflection b/c they're against any criticism of Palestinians. n/t

[6chars]

42. The term is only here because it is in the headline of the OP's linked article

in the Daily Mail. Take it up with them.

[King_David]

53. Exactly nt

[oberliner]

2. That girl looks familiar

Same one as in this photo?

[Mosby]

5. It's A'hd Tamimi

[oberliner]

10. She's kind of a celebrity

Friday, December 28, 2012

13 year old Palestinian girl, Ah'd Tamimi, wins Hanzala Award for Courage.

Dear friends,
Ah'd Tamimi, the daughter of my friends Bassem and Nariman Tamimi from the village of Nabi Saleh has just been awarded the Hanzala Courage Award in Turkey.

Many of you will have seen photos of Ah'd and other children from Nabi Saleh regularly challenging Israeli occupation forces who invade the village and terrorise the residents on a regular basis.

Ah'd comes from a family of activists who have refused to be cowered by the Israeli state and/or the Israeli military. Her father, mother and siblings actively take part in Nabi Saleh's popular unarmed resistance against Israel's occupation and apartheid politics.

http://livefromoccupiedpalestine.blogspot.com/2012/12/13-year-old-palestinian-girl-ahd-tamimi.html

[grossproffit]

14. Oh look, it's Shirley Temper.

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[Israeli]

17. Israeli news .......

The IDF spokesperson has confirmed that the events occurred during a violent protest in which Palestinians threw stones at an IDF force which was set up in the area.

The clashes occurred in the village of Nebi Salah, near Ramallah. Palestinians also threw stones at an IDF bulldozer during clashes on Friday in the village of Kadum, near Nablus. The protests occurred a mere day after the outgoing EU envoy to the Palestinian Territories announced that 28 EU member states where advancing measures against the settlements. According to the envoy, John Gatt-Rutter, "there is support within the union to go on with the measures". Rutter added that, "There are more tools" which the Union could use against the settlements.

Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4695494,00.html

[shira]

23. Kudos to Daily Mail for a more accurate headline. n/t

[oberliner]

25. They have completely re-written the article as well

Not just the headline.

[shira]

26. Here's what that boy was doing before the staged scenes...

https://twitter.com/GAIA1010/status/637493369833295872

[azurnoir]

56. gaia posted under the heading of Pallywood too

[Little Tich]

21. I can't even imagine how a bunch of women, children and grandparents can even remotely

constitute a violent protest, as the event was called by the IDF. How the IDF managed to assess a 12-year old boy with a cast to be an imminent threat who had to be arrested is also beyond me. Finally, how is it possible for the arresting soldier to not realize that the boy was underage? I had no problem identifying the boy as being under 18 with just a glance at the pictures.

This seems excessive and also to be apartheid, as usual. I've never heard of the IDF arresting 12 year old boys from the settlements...

[oberliner]

22. You have no idea what you are talking about

Three Israeli youths arrested in firebombing of Palestinian taxi

JERUSALEM — Three Israeli adolescents from a West Bank settlement were arrested Sunday in connection with a recent firebombing of a Palestinian taxi, Israeli police said, adding fuel to a debate in Israel about ethnic prejudice among youths.

The suspects, all age 12 or 13, were to appear before a Jerusalem court Sunday evening, police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said. The attack, which injured six Palestinians, took place hours before several Palestinian youths were beaten by a mob in central Jerusalem. Police arrested seven Israeli teenagers, the youngest 13, in connection with that attack, which witnesses described as a near-lynching.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/three-israeli-youths-arrested-in-firebombing-of-palestinian-taxi/2012/08/26/d2489f32-ef9f-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html

[Little Tich]

31. Case Dropped Against Israeli Teen Suspected of Firebombing Palestinian Taxi

Source: Haaretz, Jan 06, 2013

Jerusalem District Attorney decides to close the case due to 'lack of evidence', even though the 13-year-old suspect's DNA was found in a forensic sweep at the scene of the crime.

The Jerusalem District Attorney has decided to close one of the most severe cases of violence ever carried out by an Israeli settler against a Palestinian, citing lack of evidence with regard to the suspect in question. The District Attorney's decision was made despite forensic evidence having been documented at the scene of the crime.

The suspect in the case is a 13-year-old boy who allegedly hurled a firebomb at a Palestinian taxi last August, near the Bat Ayin settlement and the al-Arub refugee camp in the West Bank.

The cab caught fire, leaving its passengers – six members of a single family – seriously wounded.

The suspect's DNA was found on a glove found at the scene of the crime.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/case-dropped-against-israeli-teen-suspected-of-firebombing-palestinian-taxi.premium-1.492307

One again, Israel proves that justice prevails...

[shira]

27. You're missing the bigger story; why the same little girl is being used over & over....

...again for propaganda purposes by her adult ISM handlers who keep putting her in potential harm's way.

Ask yourself whether you'd constantly send your own 9 or 10 year old out to constantly provoke soldiers with guns.

[Little Tich]

30. The girl that bit the soldier wasn't the target, it was the boy with the cast.

The problem is that the IDF is trying to arrest kids at gunpoint, not the reaction of their families.

Can you imagine the outrage if the police in the US would be arresting protesting kids at gunpoint?

[oberliner]

33. "Can you imagine the outrage if the police in the US would be arresting protesting kids at gunpoint"

What would a US police officer do if a kid starting throwing rocks at him?

How about if someone pushed him from behind or tried to grab his gun?

Of course, during the US military occupation of Iraq, the US military personnel all acted beyond reproach, especially with respect to Iraqi youths:

'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says U.S. soldier who raped 14-year-old girl before killing her and her family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340207/I-didnt-think-Iraqis-humans-says-U-S-soldier-raped-14-year-old-girl-killing-her-family.html

And she didn't even throw a rock at him or anything.

[shira]

40. I see you're still deflecting from the ISM's child abuse & staged propaganda scenes. n/t

[Little Tich]

66. Are you suggesting that the boy with the cast somehow crept into the chokehold of the soldier

when he wasn't looking?

[shira]

67. I'm suggesting the original OP was horseshit & had to be rewritten...

....due to the ISM's staged scenes, starring children they've abused for years, for vile propaganda purposes.

This is the really ugly face of the BDS movement on full display.

It's not just ugly because BDS'ers do it. It's ugly because anti-Zionist advocates out in the Western world totally support, defend, and justify this child abuse that serves only one purpose - to manufacture "news" that will incite hatred against Jews. Rather than deny or ignore it, why aren't you the least bit concerned about these children who are deliberately put in harm's way for the most vile purposes?

=======================

Here's the same boy a couple years ago, WITHOUT a cast. Notice around 2:30 into the video how the boy (now without a cast) is being shoved into the soldiers. What do you think about this child abuse?

My point is, the boy in the cast had no business being out there. His handlers should be arrested for child abuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=162&v=oWlxLq-2RQA

Discussing the action of the IDF soldier is a side-distraction that demonstrates support for these staged scenes.

[Little Tich]

69. All I see is a boy with his arm in a cast being assaulted by an armed soldier.

That's not acceptable under any circumstances, anywhere. A similar situation to this one would be when Elian Gonzalez was taken into custody by SWAT police at gunpoint, which I didn't approve of either. You're justifying the actions of the soldier by the alleged circumstances that provoked the arrest, which I think is a non-starter - soldiers shouldn't be used against children, there is no justification.

Perhaps if there was an example of a justified arrest at gunpoint of children that we could agree upon, perhaps we could work on it from there, but right now we're just too far apart.

[oberliner]

70. Elian Gonzalez?

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you are being genuine or doing some kind of parody.

It would go a long way if you would at least acknowledge the possibility that this entire event was manufactured for propaganda purposes. The activists get the boy to throw rocks at the soldier knowing he will then try to detain the boy for doing so - then the others descend on the soldier - pushing him, grabbing at his weapon, etc - with a spate of cameras in tow to capture everything, put it up on YouTube and send the photos out to the wires.

[shira]

71. You don't seem bothered in the least about this child abuse...

That's the main reason we're so far apart. Tells me all I need to know about your interest in I/P.

As to the soldier, he totally overreacted, shouldn't have been chasing the boy alone, and will surely be reprimanded.

[grossproffit]

63. Uh huh. Fascinating...

The article has been updated "attacker is revealed as prolific 'Pallywood star.'"

[Israeli]

34. Video out now ....

http://972mag.com/watch-palestinian-women-and-children-prevent-violent-arrest-in-nabi-saleh/111117/

[oberliner]

35. It's been out for a while

Without Natasha's spin. In fact it was posted earlier in this thread.

Cluelessly, Natasha calls Bilal Tamimi "a local Palestinian journalist".

Tell me if this sounds like a journalist:

Bilal Tamimi 19 hours ago
Elezbith its obvious that you r stupid and ur stupidaity is endless, we dont need to fake a video showing thèse zionist violent because they them selves make a thousand film , you just angry because our brave women break the legend of the strongest army, MAY BE they seems strong but not in Nabi Saleh we are the Tamimis we are unbreakable we are the strongest who break these zionist mayth
they didnt see anything yet and they have to wait and see the Hell the Tamimis gonna put them in
Hell to Israel and its army hell to zionism and its follower including you

Source: His YouTube page.

[Israeli]

36. Your source does not link to anything ....

.....so cant comment .

Everybody is going to spin this every which way oberliner.....I mean just look at this thread already .

Read this have you ???

http://972mag.com/whats-the-number-of-your-room-child/111140/

Sooner we get out of The Wild West Bank and back to the Green Line the better .

[oberliner]

50. Sorry about that

Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/user/tamimi1966

[Mosby]

72. here is one of Mr. Tamimi's comments at his youtube page

public comment...
Top comments

Bilal Tamimi 2 days ago
Elezbith its obvious that you r stupid and ur stupidaity is endless, we dont need to fake a video showing thèse zionist violent because they them selves make a thousand film , you just angry because our brave women break the legend of the strongest army, MAY BE they seems strong but not in Nabi Saleh we are the Tamimis we are unbreakable we are the strongest who break these zionist mayth
they didnt see anything yet and they have to wait and see the Hell the Tamimis gonna put them in
Hell to Israel and its army hell to zionism and its follower including you
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https://www.youtube.co/m/watch?v=pvJNYjzm9jk

[grossproffit]

73. He often refers to those who don't agree with him as "retards." Great guy, huh?

[grossproffit]

60. Questions raised over shocking West Bank image. attacker is revealed as prolific 'Pallywood star'

We need a new thread since this op has been proved bogus.

[grossproffit]

68. The soldier has 2 safeties in place on his rifle, a barrel cover and a chamber blocker

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The orange chamber blocker above the magazine and at the end of the rifle is a barrel cover. Both safety devices would have to be disengaged for any live rounds to be fired.

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[geek tragedy]

74. The 'world's most moral army' strikes again.

On the other hand, he wasn't playing soccer on a beach so they didn't use artillery to blow him to a thousand pieces.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.673673

[oberliner]

75. Soldiers in most other armies in the region would've probably shot all of those people

Like the Saudi army:

U.N.: 115 children killed since start of Saudi-led Yemen offensive

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-nations-115-children-killed-since-start-of-saudi-led-yemen-offensive/

Or the Syrian army:

Syrian forces killing and sexually abusing children, says UN

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/12/syrian-forces-killing-children-un

Or if it was a US army soldier maybe the girl would have been raped and then the family killed in front of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

Which are the moral armies again?

[geek tragedy]

76. Congrats on being better than Syria. nt

[oberliner]

78. Too bad there aren't more cameras in Syria

Maybe then more people would give a crap about what is going on there.

The Assad regime seems to have a lot of friends in the region. Countries that do not recognize Israel, ostensibly because of their treatment of Palestinians, see totally cool with having warm relations with Syria (where thousands of Palestinians have been and are being killed).

What's that about?

[geek tragedy]

88. Syria has positioned itself so that

the only alternative is ISIS.

Assad is a vile butcher.

[oberliner]

90. Agreed

Butchery and atrocities coming from all sides in that conflict.

[shira]

85. US Police Kill More Civilians In March Than UK Police Killed In 100 Years

Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century.

In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.

According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month. As in the past, numerous incidents were spurred by violent threats from suspects, and two officers were shot in Ferguson during a peaceful protest. However, the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.

This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US.

These numbers are staggering and show a serious problem of the violent tendencies within the US policing apparatus.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/#6RuteSl8vUOsJhz0.99

[Little Tich]

79. Are you implying that the Mahmudiyah rape and killings by US soldiers were considered acceptable

behaviour by the US?

The OP depicts unacceptable behaviour by the IDF, which is a result of the abysmally low moral standards of the IDF, no the individuals doing what they were told. If other armed forces have even lower standards that's really bad, but the events in Mahmudiyah were not the results of the US armed forces low moral standards, and it was not endorsed by any superiors.

If you want to involve the US armed forces, then perhaps you could show an example where American soldiers are encouraged to harass children like in the IDF.

[oberliner]

80. No

I'm saying that one can find immoral behavior among soldiers in every army in the world. Immoral behavior of an extremely serious magnitude, in fact.

Relatively speaking, i think the Israeli soldier in the photos above behaved appropriately. Especially considering the fact that he was pushed from behind and that people tried to grab at his weapon. He also may have been hit with rocks that were allegedly thrown at him just prior to the photo being taken.

The sequence of photos above were created for propaganda purposes and have been very effective.

If you have a kid throw rocks at a soldier and then attack the soldier when he apprehends the kid, and have a coterie of camera and video operators ready to record the results - this seems like what one would get even from soldiers in the armies that are of the highest morality (whichever those may be).

Other regional armies may have resulted in a worse outcome for the folks in those photos.

[Little Tich]

81. For me, the OP reveals two serious deficiencies with the IDF that other armed forces of civilized

countries don't have.

1. The IDF is acting inappropriately against children compared to the armed forces of civilized countries.

2. The IDF is only acting inappropriately towards Palestinian children, never Jewish ones.


If you could either show that the armed forces of civilized countries (of which Israel is supposed to be one) doing the same thing to children, or at least show that the IDF is doing this without concern for the ethnicity of the children.

[oberliner]

82. Both premises are false

The response by the IDF soldiers is the same regardless of who throws rocks at them.

For instance:

Clashes erupt between Israeli police and settlers in Beit El

As for "the armed forces of civilized countries" - are you really suggesting there isn't infinitely more inappropriate actions against children happening on a regular basis?

US Soldiers and Contractors Sexually Abused at Least 54 Children in Colombia Between 2003 and 2007

http://www.thenation.com/article/us-soldiers-and-contractors-sexually-abused-least-54-children-colombia/

French soldiers accused of raping CAR children

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/french-soldiers-accused-raping-car-children-150430031734446.html

And you don't think soldiers from the US or Europe handled young people roughly? In Iraq of Afghanistan or any of the various UN peacekeeping missions?

[Little Tich]

83. We're going around in circles...

It seems as if there are no soldiers in the video, but rather police, and none of them are carrying M16's or Tavors. You don't
have a clip of IDF soldiers harrassing Jewish kids? What a surprise...

And for the other cases, I must reiterate that they are not the norm, and considered illegal. The behaviour described in the
OP is encouraged by the IDF, and furthermore only encouraged against Palestinian children.

[shira]

84. Sex Abuse by UN “Peace” Troops Becoming Global Scandal

Hundreds of Haitian women and children were raped and sexually abused by predators in the United Nations “peace” military, according to a draft UN report obtained by the Associated Press, adding to a growing deluge of sex and murder scandals surrounding the controversial “blue helmets.” The news comes just months after UN troops in Mali slaughtered unarmed civilian protesters and UN forces in the Central African Republic were exposed systematically raping children as young as nine years old. Of course, the latest scandals also follow decades of similar abuses by UN forces, especially across Africa.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/21090-sex-abuse-by-un-peace-troops-becoming-global-scandal

[Little Tich]

87. I was hoping you would provide a clip of IDF soldiers giving some Jewish kids the "Arab" treatment.

None of the examples you provided are any good for comparison, as they're unsanctioned from above and prosecuted. If you could show an example of the military forces of a civilized country treating civilians like the IDF do and it's within the guidelines, it would shoot down at least half of my previous argumentation in this thread. If you furthermore can show the IDF is also doing to Jews what they do to Palestinians, well then I would have to consider myself refuted...

[shira]

92. UN troops have been raping kids for decades, without anyone held accountable....

When IDF soldiers commit crimes, they're held accountable.

f you want a video showing IDF brutality towards Jewish settlers, start with this one:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=343_1376858103&comments=1

If you want a lot more of that, check out videos related to the IDF withdrawal of Gaza's Jewish settlers in 2005. There's lots of video of that.

[oberliner]

89. Everything you've written here is inaccurate

There are soldiers in the video and they are treating Jewish kids in the same manner that they treat non-Jewish kids who behave the same way. If a Jewish settler throws a rock at an IDF soldier they get the same treatment as a Palestinian who does so.

Palestinians do it a lot more frequently and have photographers and videographers ready to record any such behavior. Literally that is what the Tamimi family does and has been doing for years (and they will freely tell you that they do so).

Soldiers raping children, while illegal, is actually the norm around the world in military conflicts.

From 2008:

Peacekeepers 'abusing children'

A 13-year-old girl, "Elizabeth" described to the BBC how 10 UN peacekeepers gang-raped her in a field near her Ivory Coast home.

"They grabbed me and threw me to the ground and they forced themselves on me... I tried to escape but there were 10 of them and I could do nothing," she said.

"I was terrified. Then they just left me there bleeding."

No action has been taken against the soldiers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7420798.stm

From 2015:

Paula Donovan, the co-founder of Aids Free World, is a former U.N. official who said that the U.N. has long turned a a blind eye towards allegations of sexual violence within its ranks.

“The regular sex abuse by peacekeeping personnel uncovered here and the United Nations’ appalling disregard for victims are stomach-turning, but the awful truth is that this isn’t uncommon,” Donovan told the Guardian. “The UN’s instinctive response to sexual violence in its ranks — ignore, deny, cover up, dissemble — must be subjected to a truly independent commission of inquiry with total access, top to bottom, and full subpoena power.”

http://thinkprogress.org/default/2015/08/17/3692373/un-whistleblowers/

[shira]

86. 22 Australian Defence Force members accused of rape still serving and rising up the ranks

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-defence-force-members-accused-of-rape-still-serving-and-rising-up-the-ranks/story-fni0cx12-1227475647340

[Mosby]

91. but is there video?

Then it didn't happen.



The IDF really needs to take a long hard look at this incident. Every single person who grabbed at the soldier committed assault and battery and should have been arrested.

For their safety, members of the "media" should not be allowed to be in close proximity of people committing crimes.

This would never be allowed in the US or Europe.

[shira]

93. The media activists are a big part of the problem in manufacturing these staged events

Whether it's the Tamimis or Hamas shooting rockets in Gaza, that crap wouldn't go down the same way without certain parts of the media anxious to get their schadenfreude on....in their ongoing efforts to catch the Jew.

[shira]

94. Chris Gunness of UNRWA vanishes tweet of friendly advice to antisemite....

https://twitter.com/jethrosteve/status/638306085456216064

It ain't there anymore.

No explanation.