Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumHuckabee: All presidential candidates should visit all of Israel, including W. Bank settlements
Source: Jerusalem PostHe made his statement at an unusual campaign stop for any presidential candidate, the West Bank settlement of Shiloh, which is located in the Binyamin region.
US Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee called on all those running for the White House in 2016 to make a solidarity visit to Israel to show their disgust for the Iran deal and support for the Jewish state, including the West Bank settlements.
I wish that every candidate, Republican or Democrat would come to Israel to show solidarity with the country that most reflects the mirror imagine of the American spirit, to show solidarity with the Israeli people and to show their extreme disgust with any deal with Iran, the former Arkansas governor said.
He made his statement at an unusual campaign stop for any presidential candidate, the West Bank settlement of Shiloh, which is located in the Binyamin region.
If you are going to visit Israel, you should visit all of Israel and that would include Judea and Samaria, Huckabee told reporters.
Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Huckabee-all-presidential-candidates-should-visit-all-of-Israel-including-the-settlements-412508
Israeli
(4,159 posts)I agree with him Little Tich....
re : " If you are going to visit Israel, you should visit all of Israel and that would include Judea and Samaria, Huckabee told reporters. "
Unrestricted access to all of The Wild West Bank should be compulsory for every American politician ....and for every American tourist .
Its an eye opener .
I highly recommened tours by Peace Now @
http://www.peacenow.org.il/eng/content/peace-now-tour-west-bank
and by Breaking the Silence @
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/tours/4
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)But frankly, even though my opinion about the Republican presidential candidates is very low, I still think such a trip would be an eye-opener for them.
Israeli
(4,159 posts)" what the poor man meant "
I doubt that ....Republicans support the settlers to the hilt Little Tich.
Right wing and religious ....the same the world over ...no matter the religion .
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)You mean, moving into a place, kicking the Natives out, stuffing them into reservations and then saying you are allowed to do that because you are God's special darling?
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)than the US does with other countries?
What was so ridiculous in my post?
That the US and Israel first had to be cleared from Natives?
That the Natives don't get full rights?
That religious extremism is used to rationalize this injustice?
Mosby
(16,365 posts)They have been living in Israel, Judea and Samaria for thousands of years, continuously.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Sure.
Mosby
(16,365 posts)Most of the people left because they wanted to stay out of the way of the Arab armies.
The Arab's war of genocide against the Jews failed so most that left could not come back.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)The Palestinians were removed by force against their will. The idea that the fled their homes voluntarily to help the Arab armies is just a revisionist lie.
I suggest that you try to read some of the history books on the subject, you can start with "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited" by Benny Morris. He's an ardent Zionist, and I think that he's wrong to justify throwing the Palestinians out, but he's at least no falsifier of history. I know for a fact that the book is floating around on the interwebs and you can get it anytime, so there's no excuse for you continued ignorance.
Bleh.
shira
(30,109 posts)....confirming this allegedly "revisionist" history. Including Mahmoud Abbas. You know who he is?
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=567
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)At least now I know where you go to get your revisionist kicks...
shira
(30,109 posts)Isn't it?
Who's forcing him to do so?
shira
(30,109 posts)did not recognize them as a unified people until the states of the world did so, and this is regret-
table."
-- Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas), from the official journal of the PLO, Falastin el-Thawra ("What We Have
Learned and What We Should Do" , Beirut, March 1976.
Street Journal; June 5, 2003):
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) wrote an article in March 1976 in Falastin al-Thawra, the
official journal of the PLO in Beirut: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the
Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny, but instead they abandoned them, forced them to
emigrate and to leave their homeland, imposed upon them a political and ideological
blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in
Eastern Europe."
-- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949
"Since 1948, it is we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is we who made them
leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure on
them to leave. We have accustomed them to begging...we have participated in lowering their morale
and social level...Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson and throwing stones
upon men, women and children...all this in the service of political purposes..."
-- Khaled el-Azm, Syrian prime minister after the 1948 War, in his 1972 memoirs, published in 1973.
these refugees."
-- The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, February 19, 1949.
-- The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, October 12, 1963
-- Newsweek, January 20, 1963
by the Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews. For the flight and fall of the other villages it is
our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish
crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of
Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the
Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
-- The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
shira
(30,109 posts)There was no Zionist "plan" or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of "ethnic cleansing". Plan Dalet (Plan D), of 10 March 1948, (it is open and available for all to read in the IDF Archive and in various publications), was the master plan of the Haganahthe Jewish military force that became the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)to counter the expected pan-Arab assault on the emergent Jewish state.[126]
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Benny Morris categorically denies that there was a plan to throw out the Palestinians, not that they were removed against their will. He argues that it was justified to remove them due to strategical purposes.
Please, read the book...
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Here are some selected snippets from an article written by Benny Morris about his book, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited":
For the record, by Benny Morris
Source: The Guardian, 14 Jan 2004
The picture that emerged was a complex one - of frightened communities fleeing their homes at the first whiff of grapeshot, as they or neighbouring villages were attacked; of communities expelled by conquering Israeli troops; of villagers ordered by Arab commanders to send away women, children and the old to safety in inland areas; and of economic privation, unemployment and general chaos as the British mandate government wound down and allowed the two native communities to slug it out. The better-organised, economically more robust and ideologically more cohesive and motivated Jewish community weathered the flail of war; Palestinian society fell apart.
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But this pre-1948 transfer thinking had been significant: it had readied hearts and minds in the Jewish community for the denouement of 1948. From April, most Jewish officers and officials had acted as if transfer was the state's desire, if not policy.
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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/14/israel
As you can see, Morris describes a very complex situation, and personally, I think he's trying to downplay the role of Israel in creating the refugee problem, but unlike Pappe, this book is readily accessed by anyone.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)so God's chosen people can own the Westbank again.
I'm not saying that all Jews are like that, but Judaism has its fair share of religious extremists. And without those extremists the Israel-problem wouldn't be nearly as severe.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I'm guessing Ted Cruz will. Marco Rubio maybe, outside chance Scottie Walker will as well.
Ben Carson and Trump, who knows with those guys?