Israel builds pub on historic Jerusalem cemetery

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/20345-israel-builds-pub-on-historic-jerusalem-cemetery

Earlier this month, Israeli authorities opened a pub on part of the Mamilla cemetery, which is believed to date back to the seventh century.

In a Monday statement, the Cairo-based Arab League described the Israeli construction as a "grisly crime".

"For many years, Israel has been targeting this cemetery," the statement said, warning of grave consequences of continuing the Israeli desecration of Muslim and Christian holy sites in Jerusalem.

The Mamilla cemetery houses the remains of some companions of Prophet Muhammad, important intellectuals and many Muslim and Christian combatants who fought against the Crusaders.

Living or dead the Palestinians get the shaft from the Israeli government.

[shira]

1. About MiddleEastMonitor

Middle East Monitor is seen as sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist organization founded in Egypt and allied to Hamas.

The publication’s senior editor is Ibrahim Hewitt, who has claimed that adulterers should be stoned to death and gay men receive 100 lashes.

Hewitt runs a private Muslim school in Leicester which was investigated for extremism. He is also a trustee of the charity Interpal, which is accused by the US of sponsoring terrorism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3194400/Corbyn-Hamas-backer-defends-suicide-bombs-ll-share-stage-extremist-Holocaust-cartoon-contest-runner-up.html

Hamas is a religious fascist supremacist movement dedicated to Israel's destruction & the killing of Jews worldwide.

Interpal's representatives supported Hamas in last year's war.
http://standforpeace.org.uk/interpal/

Interpal’s leaders regularly attend Hamas rallies and ceremonies in the Gaza strip. At one such event, Interpal trustee Essam Yusuf participated in a song that praised Hamas’s terrorist activities and its “martyrs.”

Other Interpal officials promote extremist ideas. Interpal staff member Ibrahim Dar has expressed support for the late Al Qaeda leader Anwar Al-Awlaki, has called for killing homosexuals, and claims that ISIS is a “western setup undercover organisation.” Interpal trustee Ibrahim Hewitt has spoken of a “so-called Holocaust,” advocates killing apostates, and has written: “The Jews cannot be entrusted with the sanctity and security of this Holy Land.”

http://standforpeace.org.uk/jeremy-corbyn-furious-over-hamas-questions/

[6chars]

3. stalk much?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. I know this might be hard for you to understand, but posting the truth is just...well the truth.

Shira wants to apparently ban all mags that are critical of Israel, IMHO.

I just want to show the DU reader what shira's character is really like underneath the veil of victimization.


Nothing more, nothing less.

It's nothing to lose one's over, now is it?

[6chars]

5. i know what's going on.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Of course you do. I just told you. Wasn't that easy?

[6chars]

7. that's not what's going on

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Have a good night.

[6chars]

9. Thanks. You too.

[King_David]

15. Seems you weren't the only one.

LOL

[Shaktimaan]

10. Correct me if I'm wrong...

But during their tenure over east Jerusalem didn't the Jordanian government approve the demolition in the oldest Jewish cemetery on the planet (dating back 3000+ years), and use the land for latrines, parking lots and gas stations?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. Yes, you're right. I absolutely hate the idea of desecration of sacred places like that.

It's never right.



Right?

[Little Tich]

12. Well, that's Jordan's cross to bear.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Gravesites should be respected. Israel is a democracy, not a banana republic.

[shira]

14. Story is bogus. See #13 below. n/t

[shira]

13. There's a reason this didn't make International headlines...

This new restaurant was built on decades old public park land. Not in the cemetary. But in Independence Park, across the street from the cemetary.

Photos included...
http://www.israellycool.com/2015/08/12/mamilla-cemetery-incitement-again/

[Little Tich]

16. Jerusalem Proceeding With Plan to Build on Old Muslim Cemetery

Source: Haaretz

Municipality is looking to find new home for school currently on site, and then hopes to build 192 housing units, hotel and commercial spaces there.

The Jerusalem municipality is moving ahead with construction plans at a site that for many centuries housed a Muslim cemetery.

Last week, the Jerusalem Planning and Building Committee approved a massive construction project to be built over the current location of the Experimental School in Independence Park, in the city center. It has been known for years that this location was once a large cemetery that served the city’s Muslim residents.

The approved new plan includes 192 housing units, a 480-room hotel, commercial spaces, parking and other elements. The plan was proposed by Eden, a municipality-owned company that promotes construction in the downtown area. Before the plan is implemented, a new home must be found for the Experimental School; the municipality doesn’t currently have a solution in place for the school.

The municipality has long sought to move the Experimental School and build commercial and residential premises at the central site. Originally, a new courthouse was planned there, but – at the behest of then-Supreme Court President Dorit Beinisch – concern over the graves scuttled that plan.


Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.665660

Consider yourself refuted. You should really stop posting anything from isreallycool.com, it's a stupid site.

[Israeli]

17. "" Consider yourself refuted........

......You should really stop posting anything from isreallycool.com, it's a stupid site. ""

Its a religious Right wing site Little Tich......"stupid" is an understatement .

[Little Tich]

22. I was trying to be polite.

The idea that someone can put up utter BS to counter the truth is too intentional to be just stupid.

[Israeli]

24. Truth is not their strong point .....

Its another mouthpiece for the settler movement ....much like Arutz 7 ...they even share a few guest commentators ...like Varda Epstein as an example :

http://www.israellycool.com/2015/07/19/ten-years-on-we-must-remember-gush-katif/

The whole article is spiel.....or "utter BS to counter the truth" .

The kick comes at the end :

Please think of Gush Katif and speak about it with your family and friends. Please help keep the memory of the place alive in your hearts, so that someday we may return and restore the peace and productiveness of an era we destroyed.

This is what they are aiming for ....not just the annexation of Judea and Samaria but a return to Gush Katif ....and beyond .

[shira]

25. And yet you've used them as a source several times here. Go figure. n/t

[Israeli]

26. Have I ....

..... ????

As a source of explanation as to how Right wing and religious they are... of that I am sure of shira .....care to supply some links ???????????????

[shira]

18. Not so fast.... "IMPORTANT FACTS ON ISRAELI SUPREME COURT RULING...

IMPORTANT FACTS ON THE ISRAELI SUPREME COURT RULING IN FAVOR OFTHE MUSEUM OF TOLERANCE JERUSALEM

1. Following the unanimous decision of the Israeli Supreme Court in favor of the Center for Human Dignity, Museum of Tolerance Jerusalem, the project has now resumed construction in the heart of West Jerusalem.

The Museum is not being built on the nearby Mamilla cemetery, but on the adjacent site which, for nearly a half-century, served as Jerusalem's municipal car park where every day hundreds of Jews, Christians, and Muslims parked their cars. Electric, cable and sewer lines were laid below the ground.

During all this time, not a single Muslim group or individual, including today's most vociferous critics said a word in protest although they argued before the Court that they had known all along it was a Muslim cemetery, yet they kept silent for nearly a half-century.

2. This is not only the opinion of the Simon Wiesenthal Center but also the opinion of the government of Israel, the City of Jerusalem, and the Antiquities Authority – an independent agency responsible for cemeteries and archaeological sites – all of whom presented their opinions to the Supreme Court.


cont'd...
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5794545#.Vc8as1NViko

[shira]

19. More from website....

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5794545#.Vc8eIlNVikp

Antiquities Authority’s position before the Court

“...the action of removing graves from their original site is done as a matter of course ... and despite the importance of the Mamilla cemetery as a site of antiquities, already in the Mandate period (1920’s) parts of the area of the cemetery were used for development purposes...the Palace Hotel compound, (built by the Grand Mufti) the car parks that were built on the museum compound, the construction of the Bet Agron (journalist’s) building and even the building of the Experimental School that is situated to the west of the museum compound...were constructed over the years on the area of the Mamilla cemetery, without any objection from any party.”

“Documents prove…the existence of building plans on the area of the cemetery that were prepared with the approval of the Muslims themselves as can be seen in correspondence from 1946.”

4. Muslim scholars and religious leaders have dealt with such issues for centuries and, in seeking to resolve such difficulties, ruled that a cemetery not in use for 37 years is considered mundras - an abandoned cemetery that has lost its sanctity.

In fact, because the whole area was regarded as mundras, in 1946, the mufti of Jerusalem planned to build a Muslim university on the entire Mamilla cemetery (now Independence Park). We submitted the architectural plans and drawings of that proposed university to the Supreme Court. Today, the concept of mundras is widely sanctioned and practiced throughout the Arab world, in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian territories.

Consider yourself refuted.

[shira]

20. And in conclusion from the website...

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5794545#.Vc8eIlNVikp

7. It is not those who lie beneath the ground who threaten the stability of the Middle East. It is the intolerance of extremists above the ground and those with an agenda who impede any prospects for civility and respect. Almost every place you dig in Jerusalem you're going to come into contact with ancient civilizations. Is it better to let this site remain a parking lot, or build a center for human dignity there, which would teach young people mutual respect and social responsibility?

Feeling refuted yet?

[Little Tich]

21. You can still consider yourself refuted.

The original argument was that Israel built a pub on top of an old Muslim cemetery. You argued with false evidence from israellycool.com that the pub was not built on top of an old Muslim cemetery. Your argument was refuted by evidence from a reputable source that the pub was indeed built on top an old Muslim cemetery.

The supposed evidence from various racist / apartheid entities that the cemetery wasn't respected in the past has nothing to do with how sites of archaeological / historical value should be treated today. The idea that just nobody used to care about it, it's OK to exploit it today, is pretty horrific, and probably would find no traction in a civilized country.

This is a blatant example of how Jerusalem is Judaized by various apartheid entities. My argument for this being apartheid is simple: I bet you can't find a single example of a Jewish cemetery being either removed or built on in Israel or the Occupied territories.

[shira]

23. Independence Park hasn't been recognized as a cemetary for at least 100 years...

And in particular, by Muslims.

Mamilla cemetary across the street from Independence Park is another story altogether. You'd have a point - and I'd agree with you - if Israel were to decide to build there.

You prefer that a parking lot remain in place there? There were no objections to that.

Read this again:

“...the action of removing graves from their original site is done as a matter of course ... and despite the importance of the Mamilla cemetery as a site of antiquities, already in the Mandate period (1920’s) parts of the area of the cemetery were used for development purposes...the Palace Hotel compound, (built by the Grand Mufti) the car parks that were built on the museum compound, the construction of the Bet Agron (journalist’s) building and even the building of the Experimental School that is situated to the west of the museum compound...were constructed over the years on the area of the Mamilla cemetery, without any objection from any party.”

“Documents prove…the existence of building plans on the area of the cemetery that were prepared with the approval of the Muslims themselves as can be seen in correspondence from 1946.”

What's racist is the idea that Muslims could build on this site all they want (dating back 100 years & with the approval of their Muslim leaders) but Jews cannot build. That's really what is at issue here.

And that's racist apartheid ideology, not the rubbish you're attempting to argue here.

4. Muslim scholars and religious leaders have dealt with such issues for centuries and, in seeking to resolve such difficulties, ruled that a cemetery not in use for 37 years is considered mundras - an abandoned cemetery that has lost its sanctity.

In fact, because the whole area was regarded as mundras, in 1946, the mufti of Jerusalem planned to build a Muslim university on the entire Mamilla cemetery (now Independence Park). We submitted the architectural plans and drawings of that proposed university to the Supreme Court. Today, the concept of mundras is widely sanctioned and practiced throughout the Arab world, in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian territories.

Try refuting that. You cannot & have not even attempted to do so.

[Little Tich]

27. You're merely reiterating your previous argument.

People were obviously buried there, and if it would have been a Jewish cemetery, it wouldn't have been desecrated like this. The idea of "mundra" seems to be merely a pretext for apartheid, it actually seems as if the local population and the rest of the Arab world objects, so there must be some kind of misuse of it, whatever it's supposed to mean.

Your argumentation only reinforces my belief that this is just another example of erasing the Arab heritage of Jerusalem in order to Judaize the city.

[shira]

28. The problem is that it's okay for Muslims to build on that site, but not Jews

There is no other rational conclusion to be made here, given the evidence.

It is apartheid, but not against Palestinians or Muslims....only Jews.

Hypocrisy and lies fuel enemies of a Jerusalem museum

...Yet while we would never build on the cemetery, a newly discovered 1945 article from the Palestine Post shows that the Supreme Muslim Council, before there was a State of Israel, did, in fact, have such plans.

And guess what they were going to build on it? A business center.

In the Thursday, July 22, 1945, edition of the Palestine Post, it was reported:

"An area of over 450 dunams [111 acres] in the heart of Jerusalem, now forming the Mamillah Cemetery, is to be converted into a business centre. The townplan is being completed under the supervision of the Supreme Muslim Council in conjunction with the Government Town Planning Adviser. A six-storeyed building to house the Supreme Muslim Council and other offices, a four-storeyed hotel, a bank and other buildings suitable for a college, a club and a factory are to be the main structures. There will also be a park to be called the Salah ed Din Park, after the Muslim warrior of Crusader times."

The article continues, "The remains buried in the Cemetery are being transferred to a spot round the tomb of al Sayid al Kurashi, ancestor of the Dajani family, in a 40-dunams walled reserve."

And it continues, "In an interview with Al Wihda, the Jerusalem weekly, a member of the Supreme Muslim Council said that the use of Muslim cemeteries in the public interest had many precedents both in Palestine and elsewhere. He quoted the cases of the Bab al Sahira (Herod's Gate) Cemetery, which formerly stretched down Saint Stephen's Gate; the Jaffa Cemetery, which was converted into a commercial centre; and Queen Farida Square in Cairo, which not long ago was a cemetery."

"The member added that the Supreme Muslim Council intended to publish a statement containing dispensations by Egyptian, Hejazi and Damascene clerics sanctioning the building programme. ..."

The article substantiates much of what Israel's Supreme Court said in its recent ruling: That the Mamilla Cemetery was regarded by many Muslim religious leaders as "mundras," or abandoned and without sanctity.

It is sheer, galling hypocrisy to attack the Wiesenthal Center for building a museum on what was a parking lot for a half-century, while in the not-too-distant past, the Muslim Supreme Council was ready to exhume all the remains from the actual Mamilla Cemetery in order to provide Jerusalem with a business center, factory and bank.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/hypocrisy-lies-fuel-enemies-jerusalem-museum-article-1.195488


But, but....you might say this is probably revisionist history on par with David Irving.

Wrong again.

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=8009907#.Vc94mVNViko

http://www.wiesenthal.com/atf/cf/%7B54d385e6-f1b9-4e9f-8e94-890c3e6dd277%7D/PALESTINE-POST-ARTICLE.PDF

We can also see the bigotry in media reporting about this incident. The reader is led to believe Israel will build on top of tombs and skeletons, with no respect for the dead. Read up on the articles. That's the lie we're all led to believe. How DARE these Zionists do this? How evil!



This is demonization. The only reason being anti-semitic bigotry.

[Little Tich]

29. The problem is that it's OK for Jews to build on that site, but not for Arabs.

Let's just set aside the original argument that it's wrong to desecrate a Muslim graveyard for a moment... I won't concede any of the supposed "facts" in the links you have provided, as the source is a crypto-fascist right wing organization with very dubious goals.

If it would have been OK to build there, why hasn't the local Arab population been allowed to build there at all? It's almost as if the occupier gives preference to its own transferred Jewish citizens to build. Isn't that apartheid or what?

[shira]

30. And now the Wiesenthal Center is fascist? Good grief....

Let's just set aside the original argument that it's wrong to desecrate a Muslim graveyard for a moment...

The Mamilla cemetary across the street from Independence park is a Muslim graveyard that shouldn't be desecrated. However, Independence Park is not viewed same way, as history proves from the past 100 years (which you deny). I think it's amazing how you deny the simplist facts and push them aside as crypto-fascist rightwingery. It's fascinating really, and you complain about revisionists? It's unreal.

If it would have been OK to build there,

But it was okay, by Muslims. You won't even accept newspaper articles from 1945.

why hasn't the local Arab population been allowed to build there at all? It's almost as if the occupier gives preference to its own transferred Jewish citizens to build. Isn't that apartheid or what?

It's state land. Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as Jewish ones. How do you know there are no Arab investors involved with the Independence Park construction?

[Little Tich]

31. I I stand by my statement, the Simon Wiesenthal Center is a crypto-fascist right-wing organization

with dubious goals.

They're completely racist, and staunchly promote Jewish rights over human rights in everything they do. If it was possible that something they did would benefit non-Jews, they simply wouldn't do it.

Since when are non-Jews allowed to build on Israeli state lands in Israel or the West Bank? Don't you know that all Israeli state lands are for Jews only? That's what the Jewish State means...

[shira]

32. Amazing how you believe the world's leading advocates who fight anti-Semitism....

...are all fascist right-wingers. How convenient. So too is your refusal to define acts or hate speech that constitute anti-Semitism. Now seriously, what the hell kind of anti-racist advocacy is that?

They're completely racist, and staunchly promote Jewish rights over human rights in everything they do. If it was possible that something they did would benefit non-Jews, they simply wouldn't do it.

This benefits non-Jews...
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=14604881

Also this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-abraham-cooper/never-again-should-includ_b_7071376.html

And this...
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=11673925#.VdH0rVNViko

Another one...
http://www.museumoftolerance.com/site/c.tmL6KfNVLtH/b.5163019/k.A02E/Armenian_Genocide.htm

Yet another...
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=14736601

One more...
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5711859&ct=8823117#.VdH4KFNViko

Is that enough or do you want more?

Since when are non-Jews allowed to build on Israeli state lands in Israel or the West Bank? Don't you know that all Israeli state lands are for Jews only? That's what the Jewish State means...

Israeli state land is leased, not bought or owned privately.

Viewing itself as a custodian of land for the Jewish people, the JNF incorporated into the treaty with the State of Israel a further and highly controversial condition: the Israel Lands Administration would be allowed to lease JNF land to Jewish people only, whether to those living in Israel or residing abroad. The prohibition on Arab Israelis to buy or lease land in certain areas that were designated for Jews only was challenged at the Supreme Court that decided in the year 2000, in the landmark case of Kaadan, was discriminatory and impermissible. Allocation of State Lands to the Jewish Agency for the Settlement of Jews only, the Court decided, was illegal, due to the discrimination of citizens on the basis of religion and nationality. The values of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state, the Court declared, prohibit discrimination in the allocation of lands between Jews and non-Jews. Read More. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/land.html

[Little Tich]

33. The law has since been amended, so that family is the only Arab Israeli family

that can benefit from that Supreme Court decision. Israeli State lands are still for Jews only, apart from this one exception that Israeli politicians have vowed that it never should be repeated. Even the State Lands in the West Bank are for Jews only.

When it comes to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, what you've showed are just examples of tokenism. The Simon Wiesenthal Center is a Jewish Supremacist group on the extreme right wing. They are behind the inaptly called Museum of Tolerance, which only exists to throw Arabs out of Jerusalem and physically remove any links to them ever having been there. They are involved in all kinds of nefarious activities Which include Judaizing Jerusalem and spread pro-Israeli propaganda.

When it comes to propaganda, the Simon Wiesenthal Center has released a little brochure entitled "2010 Top Ten Anti-Israel Lies", which nicely sums up their political position.

Here's lie #6, which describes the group's take on the Judaization of Jerusalem:
SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER: 2010 TOP TEN ANTI-ISRAEL LIES
(snip)

LIE #6
Plans to build 1,600 more homes in East Jerusalem prove Israel is ‘Judaizing’ the Holy City.

Enemies of Israel, exploit this phony issue. Jerusalem is holy to three great faiths. Its diverse population includes a Jewish majority with Muslim and Christian minorities. Since 1967, for the first time in history, there is full freedom of religion for all faiths in Jerusalem. Muslim and Christian religious bodies administer their own holy sites. Indeed, the Waqf is allowed to control Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, even though it rests on Solomon’s temple and is holy to BOTH Jews and Muslims.

Meanwhile, Jerusalem’s municipality must meet the needs of a growing modern city. The unfortunately-timed announcement during U.S. Vice President Biden’s visit of 1600 new apartments in Ramat Shlomo, was not about Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, but for a long established, heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in Northern Jerusalem, where 250,000 Jews live (about the same population as Newark, N.J.) -- an area that will never be relinquished by Israel.

(end snip)

Read more: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5958687#.VdICjcmc948

[shira]

34. You're wrong again. (Mar. 2015) 2200 new Arab homes approved in Jerusalem...

In 'major victory to Arab residents,' 2,200 homes approved in east Jerusalem
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/In-major-victory-to-Arab-residents-2200-homes-approved-in-east-Jerusalem-395731

Uhhhh....oops?

Land is just for Jews?

When it comes to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, what you've showed are just examples of tokenism.

Hilarious.

What would it take for you to believe that those examples provided are not tokenism?

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is a Jewish Supremacist group on the extreme right wing.

What kind of extreme right wing Jewish Supremacist fascists condemn an attack by Jewish extremists against Palestinians, as well as Jewish extremists against Gay Pride advocates?

How silly.

They are behind the inaptly called Museum of Tolerance, which only exists to throw Arabs out of Jerusalem and physically remove any links to them ever having been there.

But that museum doesn't throw anyone out of Jerusalem, nor does it deny Arab links there. No more than Arabs wanting to build on that same site as late as 1945.

So that's another fail.

They are involved in all kinds of nefarious activities Which include Judaizing Jerusalem and spread pro-Israeli propaganda.

Uhhh....to deny a Jewish presence in Jerusalem is bigoted. When you accuse Jews of Judaizing Jerusalem, that's as bigoted & ignorant a remark as screeching about Muslims Islamizing Jerusalem. I bet you'd accuse rightwingers of being fascists for screeching about Muslims Islamizing Jerusalem....but for some reason you can't see things the same way in reverse. Major blind spot there. Have you really thought this one through?

[Little Tich]

35. Israeli State lands are off limits for all Arabs, regardless whether they're Israeli or not.

The Arab homes are to be built on privately owned land only. It's against the law to allocate State Lands for Arab use. you seem to be genuinely unaware of this...

As for the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Judaization of Jerusalem, we'll just have to disagree. I seem to have difficulties convincing you that the Simon Wiesenthal Center is a crypto-fascist right wing group, but I'm not trying that hard either. If there's no Judaization of Jerusalem, then there's nobody doing the Judaization...

[shira]

36. What? Where do you see these 2200 homes built on private land?

In that article, an additional 300 illegal Arab homes were also approved. Where do you find that all those homes were built on private land?

Seriously, I think you make up more than half the crap you post here.

As for the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Judaization of Jerusalem, we'll just have to disagree. I seem to have difficulties convincing you that the Simon Wiesenthal Center is a crypto-fascist right wing group, but I'm not trying that hard either. If there's no Judaization of Jerusalem, then there's nobody doing the Judaization...

1. I asked you to list some legitimate, respected, professional organizations dedicated to fighting anti-Zionism. Perhaps a few leaders. The fact that you cannot or will not goes to show you don't believe such experts or organizations exist. Which means anything goes against Jews. How the hell is that an anti-racist position? You can deny any and everything is antisemitic when there are no standards and no experts to rely upon. How am I wrong?

2. Would you not find it bigoted if folks here were to start screeching about the Islamizing of Jerusalem neighborhoods? To use your argument: [font color = "red"]"If there's no Islamizing of Jerusalem, then there's nobody doing the Islamizing..." [/font] How the hell would that be a legit question coming from an anti-racist? Using your logic, that statement is just as legit as yours re: Judaizing. Right? How am I wrong?

[Little Tich]

37. Your refusal to realize that Israeli State lands are off limits to Arabs makes it easier for me to

resist your refutal of me insisting that the Simon Wiesenthal Center is a crypto-fascist right wing organisation. While our differences on the SWC are sort of ideological in nature, it's an indisputable fact that Israeli State lands are off limits to Arabs.

For me, it's like you're trying to refute gravity.

I have a feeling somehow that I'm not really obliged to take you seriously on the issue of the SWC, which is an ideological one, if you are unable to concede a very obvious actual fact.

I wasn't going to answer your post, but I think that you ought to know how I think, so that you might refute me better next time.

[shira]

38. All those 2500 homes for Palestinians are on public state land...

Last edited Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:14 AM - Edit history (1)

If you have any evidence they're on state land, then provide it.

I'll wait.