Shaked: Jewish Terrorism Worse than Arab Terrorism

[shira]

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked (Jewish Home) condemned the horrific attack on a Palestinian family in Duma last week, noting that such an attack constitutes a genuine security issue and not a specific attempt to frame the right wing in Israel.

"This attack is terrorism," Shaked said, speaking on Israel Radio. "There is no connection between it and the right wing. This is terrorism, terrorism for its own sake, and we should treat it harshly."

"It's not about the Right, or 'settlers'," she stressed. "It's the right of the Israel Security Agency to deal with terrorism, even if it is Jewish terrorism." "Jewish terror against the State is even more harmful to security than Arab terrorism," she continued.

"We have experienced very few attacks against the Arabs, but such an attack does do great harm to state security and we need to use all resources to handle it."

more...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198917#.Vb_dbJNViko

[6chars]

1. yes, but what does the Israeli right have to say about this?

[shira]

3. She is the Israeli Right. Cognitive Dissonance for the Israel haters. n/t

[angryvet]

2. Settlers in Illegal settlements are terrorists.

They terrorize their Palestinian neighbors. Some have even built synagogues on Palestinian OWNED lands. They tear up Palestinian Olive groves: cut down full grown olive trees, pull out young trees. These are NOT nice people and they are supported by Bibi in building their settlements on Palestinian lands. Unfortunately our media in the US is so gagged they don't write about this.

[shira]

4. Very few settlers are that way. And the settlements aren't illegal...

The UN Security Council tried passing a resolution in 2011 that would declare them illegal.

They failed.

So they weren't illegal prior to 2011 nor afterwards.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. Illegal colonization = Israeli terrorism.

[Little Tich]

6. I don't believe her - she's lying as always...

Nothing has been done so far that puts Jewish terrorism on an equal legal footing with Palestinian terrorism.

[shira]

12. The PM and President have visited Palestinian victims in the hospital...

There's been unequivocal wall-to-wall condemnation within Israel. The security cabinet has authorized administrative detention against suspected Jewish terrorists.

The government has approved of a significant amount of money that has been put into a major LGBT group. The Chief Rabbi has visited gay victims.

[Little Tich]

13. For me, the problem is the use of two different legal systems depending on the ethnicity

of the perpetrator.

Perhaps Netanyahu should have brought a bigger bouquet of flowers to the victims to make it right...

[shira]

14. Within the green line, there is one legal system for all ethnicities.

You keep confusing citizens with non-citizens.

Citizens and non-citizens don't have the same rights within any country on the planet.

[geek tragedy]

28. this happend outside the green line, in the illegally occupied west bank nt

[shira]

30. The occupation is not illegal. You're totally misinformed. n/t

[geek tragedy]

31. Sure, if you strictly separate the military occupation from the illegal settlements.

But the illegal settlements are part and parcel of the occupation.

[shira]

33. In 2011, the UN Security Council tried declaring settlements illegal...

The resolution failed.

If settlements were truly illegal, there's be no point to the 2011 UNSCR motion.

[geek tragedy]

34. that makes zero sense. nt

[shira]

35. If settlements have always been illegal, there'd be no point to a UNSC resolution....

....in 2011 declaring them illegal. That motion failed. Hence, settlements are legal.

U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution declaring Israeli settlements illegal
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/18/un.israel.settlements/

They're certainly not illegal.

Better luck next time at the UNSC.

[geek tragedy]

36. that is still gibberish and nonsense. Even the US doesn't go so far as to call them legal. nt

[shira]

37. Are you going to keep arguing they're illegal according to Int. Law? n/t

[geek tragedy]

38. yes! They blatantly are--transferring your own civilian population into militarily

occupied land is a war crime.

That they are legal is the position of only radical rightwingers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law,[1][2][3][4][5] however Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions in 1979 and 1980.[10][11][12] UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[13] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[14] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

There are two groups of thought on this:

1) those who think international law should apply;
2) those who think Israel is always right and its critics are always wrong.

It is pretty obvious which of those two groups you fall under.

[shira]

39. So what was the point of the (failed) UNSC resolution of 2011?

It shouldn't have been necessary if the 4th Geneva Convention clearly makes settlements illegal.

The context of 4GC refers to the mass involuntary transfer of people - like for example, Jews - from their homes to ghettos, and later via trains to the death camps. That's an example of 4GC. That, and ethnic cleansing. There was lots of that going on in the WW2 era.

The 4GC has nothing to do with Jews who want to live in their historic indigenous homeland (Judea). Arguing that Jews have no right to live in Judea is pure unadulterated bigotry.

[6chars]

46. transfer

verb (used with object), transferred, transferring.
1. to convey or remove from one place, person, etc., to another:
He transferred the package from one hand to the other.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/transfer

[Little Tich]

43. No. It's only Israel.

Show me another country in the whole world that has different criminal justice systems for the same crime committed in the same area depending on the ethnicity / citizenship of the perpetrator...

[shira]

44. Citizenship, not ethnicity. Let's first get that straight. An Israeli citizen....

....in the W.Bank (whether Jewish, Arab, Druze...) has different rights than a non-citizen.

As for another country, have you ever heard of Guantanamo & whether it could be used for citizens as well as non- US citizens?

[Little Tich]

45. I don't really understand what your argument is, but if a person burned a baby to death in New York

for example, the ethnicity or citizenship doesn't matter for which court the perp is sent to.

What's going on in the WB is apartheid: If the murderer was Palestinian, then he goes to Military Pali Kangaroo Court which has a phenomenal almost 100% conviction rate with heavy sentences, but if the murder was Israeli (or rather Jewish, in this case), he goes to an Israeli civil court which tries him in the manner of a court of a democratic country.

This is the problem: the same crime in the same place should be handled by the same court, regardless of the nationality of the person who did it. Anything else is discriminatory or even apartheid.

[shira]

47. You're still going on about ethnicity when it's really about citizenship (nationality)

Let's get that out of the way first.

Citizens of Israel within the W.Bank, whether Jewish, Arab, Druze or other are treated differently than non-citizens of Israel.

Nothing to do with ethnicity.

Agree or not before we move on?

[Little Tich]

50. There are two separate legal systems for civilians, two sets of laws and two sets of courts.

From what I understand this is exactly what the legal system in South Africa looked like, and it was considered apartheid. I know of no other country that has this dual legal system for civilians, and I think it's apartheid, especially as one of them is not even remotely up to the standards that make them adequate.

From the way you argue, it would seem as if there was no apartheid in South Africa, as legally no blacks were South African citizens, they were citizens of their homelands instead.

[shira]

51. Yeah, because.....occupation

We're going nowhere with nationality, citizenship, etc... so let's try something else. Take into consideration the very definition of Apartheid:

The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime."

Occupation isn't a crime against humanity. And besides there being no (gratuitous) systematic oppression, there is no intent by Israel to do or maintain any such thing. In fact, Israel has offered the Palestinians their own state 3 times since 2000. This is in stark contrast to S.Africa, where the intent was without any question to maintain "...an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination...".

Another point:

Palestinians in areas A and B of the W.Bank are under Palestinian rule, not Israeli. They have their own elections, criminal justice system....everything. And it's recognized worldwide (unlike bantustans). They're not puppets of Israel, as many of their policies oppose Israel. The fact is that 95% of Palestinians in the W.Bank live in areas A and B. That cannot possibly be called Apartheid by any definition.

So there's no Apartheid in Israel, nor within areas A and B of the W.Bank. To make such an argument is absurd.

I think your strongest argument is within area C of the W.Bank, where 5% of all Palestinians between Israel and Jordan live. So do you want to now amend your argument and maintain that there's apartheid, but only in area C?

[Little Tich]

53. All people in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are under Israeli rule.

Some areas have limited self rule,but it's still under Israeli rule. Palestinians don't have any civil rights, but all Israelis do. It was the same with the South African bantustans, even though the bantustans were more independent than the PA. The bantustans were never recognized as real countries by anyone, except South Africa.

[shira]

54. No, they're not. You're wrong & it can be proven without any doubt...

Fact 1: In area A of the W.Bank, the Palestinian Authority has full civil and security control. One law for one people, recognized worldwide unlike the Bantustans. The PA determines civil rights there.

Fact 2: In area B of the W.Bank, the Palestinian Authority has full civil control while there is joint Israeli-Palestinian security control. Again, one law for one people, recognized worldwide unlike the Bantustans. The PA determines civil rights there. Whether it's area A, B, or C all Palestinians in the W.Bank vote for their government in their very own elections.

Fact 3: Israel annexed all of Jerusalem, so there's one law there for all, not 2. Civil rights for all under Israeli Law.

Fact 4: Last year, negotiations for peace failed and the Palestinian Authority decided to join 15 international organizations whose membership is open only to independent states. Let that sink in. We're not talking Bantustans here. You have it completely backwards when you say Bantustans were more independent than the PA. It's clearly the other way around.

Fact 5: The whole point to the Oslo Accords of the 1990's was to grant Palestinians their own form of government, where the PA was granted administration of territories that would be under their control, their own legislation. The PLO agreed to all this. The US, UK, EU, and UN all recognize it as a valid, binding agreement. [font color = "red"]Given these facts, you must logically conclude that the PLO and rest of the world agreed to or sanctioned Apartheid. [/font] We both know that's absurd. It's not Apartheid.


It should now be crystal clear why reasonable people do not take accusations of Israeli Apartheid seriously.

[Little Tich]

55. Brig. Gen. Nitzan Alon is the supreme ruler of all Palestinians in the West Bank.

He's the one that allows for the very limited civilian rule of the PA, and he can dismantle the PA with a single stroke of his pen.

All your "facts" are false, but they are too convoluted, so I can't be bothered...

[shira]

56. Now that's just a joke of a statement. You can't refute the facts...

So your best comeback is that Shira is wrong because Shira is just wrong. You don't like what she's saying. Can't prove she's wrong, but your gut tells you so. Oslo 1 and 2 gave Palestinians self-rule and here you are in total denial. How ridiculous!



Not as bad as denying Gilad Atzmon is a raving mad lunatic of an anti-semite, so I'll give you that.

Still believe there's a RoR for millions according to binding International Law? Please.

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It's a really good thing Democratic candidates in the USA don't run with these silly talking points in any of their campaigns. In the real world, the Republicans would route them in every election for at least the next decade.

[Little Tich]

57. Your facts are refutable, but not easily so.

In the end, it's all about me, and I won't get any insights from unwinding and refuting those statements about the Palestinians in the WB.

But my post was correct - Nitzan Alon is the supreme leader of all the Palestinians in the WB. Look it up if you don't believe me.

[shira]

58. If they were, someone would help you out here.

But my post was correct - Nitzan Alon is the supreme leader of all the Palestinians in the WB. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Supreme leader of all Palestinians in WB? What does that even mean? Do you think he is like the supreme leader Ayatollah Khameini in Iran, where President Rouhani (or before him, Ahmadenijad) is his puppet? Which makes Abbas Alon's puppet?

Really?

[Little Tich]

59. Yes, really...

Brig. Gen. Nitzan Alon is the commander of the Israeli occupation forces in the occupied territories, and has full control as occupier over the occupied civilian population. All civilians in the occupied areas (except Israelis, of course) are under martial law, and can only have the very limited self-rule that the occupier allows them. The Palestinians in the West Bank have no civil rights whatsoever - military considerations always trump those.

So yes, in a way he's the Ayatollah of the West Bank.

[shira]

61. That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while here. And that's saying a lot...

Where the heck do you find information like this?

I really want to know.

[Little Tich]

62. Refute me then...

If you are proficient with the Google, you can do a simple search and you will see that I'm right.

[shira]

63. I've googled Alon, and haven't found anything that remotely supports you.

That's why I asked for your source.

In fact, what I found was that Israel's Rightwing hates the man, while Israel's Left really likes him (as well as his activist wife).

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You're basing most of your beliefs about Israel on make-believe, baseless claims.

I really think you just made this one up, as there's NOTHING on the web suggesting anything like what you're describing.

[Little Tich]

64. I don't think it's Google's fault.

I think you need an insight in how the civilian population in an occupied area is controlled by the commander of the occupying forces under martial law.

Martial law
Source: Wikipedia

Martial law is the imposition of the highest-ranking military officer as the military governor or as the head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. It is usually imposed temporarily when the government or civilian authorities fail to function effectively (e.g., maintain order and security, or provide essential services).

Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (such as Thailand in 2006 and 2014); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989); to suppress political opposition (Poland in 1981); or to stabilize insurrections or perceived insurrections (Canada, The October Crisis of 1970). Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters; however, most countries use a different legal construct, such as a state of emergency.

Martial law has also been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, where the absence of any other civil government provides for an unstable population. Examples of this form of military rule include post World War II reconstruction in Germany and Japan as well as the southern reconstruction following the U.S. Civil War.

Typically, the imposition of martial law accompanies curfews, the suspension of civil law, civil rights, habeas corpus, and the application or extension of military law or military justice to civilians. Civilians defying martial law may be subjected to military tribunal (court-martial).

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Note: Further down in the article under the heading "Israel" it says: "Following the 1967 war, in which the Israeli army captured the West Bank and Gaza Strip, a military administration over the Palestinian population was put in place.".

In a way, Nitzan Alon is little bit like MacArthur in post-war Japan, but a malevolent version whose only goal is to oppress Palestinians through apartheid. A more accurate comparison would be the fictional General Petya Samanov in the "Amerika" tv-series.

BTW, I'm not really interested in pursuing this further, it's way off topic.

Edit: Nitzan Alon is the current Commander (Aluf) of the Israeli Central Command of the IDF.

[geek tragedy]

48. Are Arabs living in the West Bank under Israeli rule

eligible to become Israeli citizens?

If not, that's apartheid.

[shira]

49. In E. Jerusalem, yes. In fact, more are becoming Israeli citizens...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem-insight-idUSKCN0Q81HP20150803

[shaayecanaan]

7. She's not saying that its morally worse...

she's saying that it is more harmful to the security of the state, and she's probably right.

Existentially, Arab terrorism is not much of a threat, socially or otherwise. Israel has been dealing with it a long time. If anything, it serves to unite the Jewish population and resolve tensions between rich and poor, Haredi and secular, etc etc.

If relations between Haredi and the state break down irremediably, it is a much larger threat than with the Arabs, who are kept on the outer in Israeli society anyway.

And yet the Haredi are a major drain on the public purse, they are growing as a proportion of the population, they are not particularly loyal to the state and if serious moves are made to have them join the military then Israel will have a fight on its hands. It is just a matter of time.

Israel had trouble finding people who were willing to bomb the Altalena, they had troubles with soldiers refusing to evacuate Gaza, and even now the army refuses to apply the law in the territories to settlers the way they do to Arabs.

The Army will crush an Arab insurrection without hesitation, but if there is ever a Jewish insurrection the Army will fall to splinters.

[Israeli]

8. The Haredi are not the main problem shaayecanaan....

....it is those we call the knitted kippot lot ....ie the Nationalist Zionist camp.

ref : " Israel had trouble finding people who were willing to bomb the Altalena, they had troubles with soldiers refusing to evacuate Gaza, and even now the army refuses to apply the law in the territories to settlers the way they do to Arabs. "

...you have been reading too much Right wing propaganda ......

There was no problem " finding people who were willing to bomb the Altalena " ....I should know my father was one of them .

There was very little " troubles with soldiers refusing to evacuate Gaza " ....those that did belonged to the knitted kippot lot and were dealt with quickly and severely .

" ........... but if there is ever a Jewish insurrection the Army will fall to splinters. " ......it wont shaayecanaan .....this is the excuse the Nationalist Zionist camp make whenever there is a threat of civil war ....their influence within the IDF is inflated , by themselves.. for a purpose .

[shaayecanaan]

40. Okay

but my understanding was that the Haganah originally asked their pilots to bomb the Altalena, they all refused, they even asked some non-Jewish pilot volunteers, who in turn were offended that they were asked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair

[parkia00]

9. Hollow Words

Most of the worlds knows it but yet are expected to accept it.

Hubris.

Like trying to sell a lump of shit as a chocolate bar when everyone knows it's a lump of shit.

How many times over the years the extremist settlers have attacked with the IDF standing by or even "covering" their retreat once their wondrous deeds have been done. If these words are not hollow but actually of substance, then the IDF units are guilty of aiding the terrorists. If these words are of substance we would see the IDF units arresting the extremist settlers when they move back into the settlements as often they are in plain view and under full knowledge of what they had done. But we do not see that. Do we?

[geek tragedy]

11. "Round up the usual suspects."

The IDF arrested 17 Palestinian security suspects

[shira]

15. Chief Rabbis of Israel take out front page ad in Jerusalem Post to condemn...

....violence against Jews and non-Jews.

https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/628540172301287424

[geek tragedy]

17. whoop dee shit.

when are they going to remove settler outposts that are used frequently for such terrorist attacks?

If Esh Kodesh were a Palestinian center of terrorism instead of a Jewish center of terrorism, the IDF would have bulldozed every building there.

[shira]

18. There are too many folks who believe Zionists are racists....

....who support gratuitous violence against Palestinians, or worse, murdering of Palestinians. They devote a helluva lot of their time to trashing Israel and its Jews.

Their goal? Incitement.

40% of Europeans think Israel is waging a war of extermination against the Palestinians
http://www.timesofisrael.com/study-poles-and-hungarians-believe-jews-take-advantage-of-holocaust-have-too-much-influence/

Scum bag Israel haters are succeeding in making Jews out to be Nazis.

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This reaction by Israeli society represents a stark contrast to that kind of hate advocacy.

[geek tragedy]

19. "It doesn't look to me like Israel wants to oppress innocents and murder babies"

then you didn't follow the reaction of the Israeli public to the slaughter in Gaza

They had picnics to watch children getting blown up from a distance.

You also missed the results of the last election, when the Israeli public rewarded Netanyahu's disgusting race-baiting and pledge to continue the apartheid occupation forever with a resounding election victory.

[shira]

20. What you see as support for a slaughter is in reality support of self-defense....

There are no people on this planet who would take years of rockets and suicide attacks without demanding that their military protect them.

In addition, Israelis are proud of their sons and daughters of the IDF. They're proud of the fact that the IDF tries very hard to avoid civilian casualties....and compares favorably to any Western military on the planet.

They had picnics to watch children getting blown up from a distance.

They weren't rooting on the murder of children. They were viewing live what others around the globe were watching (glued to their seats) on their own TV sets. No difference.

You also missed the results of the last election, when the Israeli public rewarded Netanyahu's disgusting race-baiting and pledge to continue the apartheid occupation forever with a resounding election victory.

Bibi got 25% of the vote.

It turns out the vast majority of Israel is for 2 states, with peace. Peace is the key. The populace fears that voting in a leftwing government will lead to 2 states without peace. That's why Israel's right keeps defeating the left.

Folks didn't believe Menachem Begin was a man of peace either. And yet he made peace with Egypt when it was clear that was what Egypt desired. The population of Israel backed him.

And then there's Ariel Sharon, who made the IDF disengage from Gaza. End of occupation and settlements. Sharon was a rightwinger too. He certainly didn't want to see any "apartheid occupation" continue.

[geek tragedy]

22. you are an enthusiastic advocate for the rightwing of israel nt

[shira]

23. Nah, I just don't demonize folks unless they really deserve it. n/t

[geek tragedy]

26. and it just so happens that you never see Israeli rightwingers

as deserving it, but Palestinians, leftists, and human rights organizations do?

[shira]

29. There's a time and place for Bibi bashing.

I wouldn't have voted rightwing had I participated in Israel's last election.

[6chars]

21. yeah, the chief rabbis take out ads like this all the time

for this, and for the special deals on their vacation rentals.

[geek tragedy]

24. It's meaningless to voice platitudes against violence without supporting

action to address the drivers of that violence.

Meanwhile, the nutjobs living in Esh Kodesh are still there, menacing the surrounding Palestinian villages, while being protected by the IDF. Despite Esh Kodesh's notorious and extensive function as a launching pad for price tag terrorist attacks.

The IDF is a de facto state sponsor of settler terrorism. It protects terrorist enclaves like Esh Kodesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esh_Kodesh

2010, the Israeli Supreme Court sentenced a resident of Esh Kodesh, the son of Orit Struk, head of the Human Rights Organization of Judea and Samaria, to 18 months in prison for the kidnapping and assault of a Palestinian teenager.[10]

In September 2011 the Israel Defense Forces established a base near Esh Kodesh[1] On September 23, 2011, Israeli security forces were called in to break up a clash between the settlers and a group of 300 villagers from Qusra.[11] Due to the growing tension, residents of Qusra armed with flashlights and sticks began to patrol the perimeter of their village at night to thwart possible incursions by Esh Kodesh settlers.[12]

In early January, 2013, after the Israeli High Court of Justice had ruled that the Palestinians of Qusra should be allowed to use one of their fields near Esh Kodesh, the Israeli Border police tried to enforce the ruling. This lead to clashes with the Esh Kodesh settlers, leaving two Border Police injured.[13]

On January 5th, 2013, approximately 200 Palestinians cut through the fences of the vineyard and attacked the vineyards and residents of Esh Kodesh. 12 outpost residents were injured, with one taken to the hospital. The vineyards were destroyed, a security vehicle was damaged and the attackers neared homes before the military arrived. The incident was part of a continuing dispute between the Esh Kodesh settlers and nearby Palestinians over land ownership.[14]

Price tag attacks[edit]

Israeli settlers from Esh Kodesh have been active in price tag attack on Palestinian property on the West Bank.[15]

3 January 2013 According to Palestinians, in a village south east of Nablus, four cars had their tires slashed, with the words "Solidarity with Esh Kodesh", and a Star of David spray-painted on a nearby wall.[16]

7 January 2014. Cars were burnt and price tag graffiti, reading "Esh Kodesh", "revenge", and a Star of David, were sprayed in Madama, Nablus, a Palestinian village south of Nablus.[15][17]

8 January 2014. 30 fruit trees were cut down in a Palestinian garden center next to Kfar Qassem. The site was blazed with the slogan "Regards Eish Kodesh."[18]

Get back to us when they bulldoze that wretched place and send its inhabitants back on the other side of the 1967 borders where they belong.

[6chars]

25. everyone is entitlted to their opinion

[geek tragedy]

27. and in the illegally occupied west bank, Israeli settlers are entitled

to commit a wide range of terrorist acts while having the IDF provide them impunity.

That won't change, which is why no one is taking the Israeli rightwing, and their external apologists, seriously when they profess that this is unacceptable.

They accept it just like the NRA accepts kids getting shot up in school. Sure, seeing kids get murdered is unfortunate, but what's important is the guns/settlements.

[6chars]

32. eh. we'll see

what the Israeli government does about this.

[sabbat hunter]

41. The occupation is legal

it is the settlements that are not.

[geek tragedy]

42. This to me is semantics since the settlements are part of the occupation.

They are inseparable.

[guillaumeb]

52. a one word explanation for this:

KARMA.



1.The definition of karma is the destiny that you earn through your actions and behavior.

When you behave kindly, this is an example of a situation where you earn good karma that will result in good things happening to you in the future.


My addition:
The state of Israel was born in violence. It is reaping the results of what was sown.

[geek tragedy]

60. Shaked: it's worse, but we don't punish it. nt

[Southern Belle Blue]

65. Terrorism is terrorism

Jew, Muslim or Christian. (We've seen the latter in our own country.)