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Jews Fretful as Israeli Actions Stir Bias (Original Post) libodem Jul 2015 OP
What was left out as not to offend israeli politicians: DetlefK Jul 2015 #1
Thank you, for pulling out the paragraphs libodem Jul 2015 #2
Well, purely measured by the way the media covers it... DetlefK Jul 2015 #4
Sadly not a coincidence libodem Jul 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #10
Ya think? nt bemildred Jul 2015 #3
Love you, Bemildred libodem Jul 2015 #6
We conflate Jews and Israel all day long and then are surprised when people take it to heart. bemildred Jul 2015 #7
Antisemites have been taking that to heart from the get go. aranthus Jul 2015 #8
Right, nobody reasonable could object to Israeli policies, they're all bigots. bemildred Jul 2015 #9
Did you read my post? aranthus Jul 2015 #11
Bye. nt bemildred Jul 2015 #12

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. What was left out as not to offend israeli politicians:
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jul 2015

"The real shocker of the cabinet meeting, though, was what wasn’t covered in the briefing: namely, the most explosive of the assessment report’s 12 chapters, “Relations of the Communities and Israel.” It describes dramatic changes detected in the past year, mostly for the worse, in Diaspora Jewish attitudes toward Israel, its government policies and its military actions.

In part the changes reflect shock at Israel’s behavior, both in the domestic arena and in warfare. In part they’re due to discomfort and inability to explain Israel’s actions when asked by non-Jewish friends and family. And in part they’re due, particularly among European Jews, to the increase in “frequency and severity” of anti-Jewish attacks whenever Israel takes military action against its neighbors."

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"But it found that “many Jews do not accept the assumption that ‘the current government of Israel is making every effort to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians.’” Significant numbers conclude that some of Israel’s armed conflicts could be avoided. That undermines the degree of Jewish support for Israel during those conflicts, though the extent is not clear."

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"Far more alarming, the report says that Israel’s wars have a strong, direct impact on the relationships of Diaspora Jews to their surrounding communities and societies. Mainstream Jewish community leaders in several countries told the institute that there is an “automatic tendency” for the surrounding non-Jewish society to “view Jews as representatives of the pro-Israel position.”

This has the direct result — as the institute initially noted last year, the current report points out — of “increasing the frequency and severity of harassment/attacks on Jews in various places around the world.”"

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"In a way, the reticence is understandable. Drawing a causal link between European anti-Semitism and Israeli behavior — between any anti-Semitism and any Jewish behavior, for that matter — is taboo in current Jewish discourse, to the point that suggesting it is itself treated frequently as an anti-Semitic act. It must have been frightening for scholars operating in this environment to stumble across first-hand testimony that the link is real. Even more frightening when they’re preparing to face an Israeli cabinet some of whose ministers view criticism of Israeli military actions as tantamount to treason."


(emphasis mine)

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I was also chastised here on DU for suggesting that the anti-jewish attacks in Europe are a result of Israel's actions.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
2. Thank you, for pulling out the paragraphs
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jul 2015

My phone doesn't let me do that very well.

I can't help but think that the stories citing a rise in antisemitic activities in Europe may be related and Jews living abroad face the backlash.

The source site is very interesting. It's like modern anthropology.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Well, purely measured by the way the media covers it...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

I live in Germany. Before the latest Gaza-campaign there was no note-worthy anti-semitism mentioned in the media. (Apart from the usual Neo-Nazi rantings.) Anti-semitic violence was mentioned maybe once a year. (Violence as in damaged property or graffiti. I can't recall a news-story where a Jew was beaten up for being a Jew.)

And after the Gaza-war suddenly Europe seemed to erupt with anti-semitism.

Coincidence? Or anti-israelism instead of anti-semitism?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
5. Sadly not a coincidence
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jul 2015

The impact on Dispora Jews should be considered before the aggressive moves are made in Gaza. It does not improve popularity when you mistreat your citizen enemies. It makes one look bad to be cruel to the underdog.

Response to libodem (Reply #5)

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. We conflate Jews and Israel all day long and then are surprised when people take it to heart.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

In a negative context as well as a positive one. It's like they are supposed to be separate when the blame is handed out, but the same when the objective is support.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
8. Antisemites have been taking that to heart from the get go.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jul 2015

Since before there was an Israel. But it's not conflating. Israel is the Jewish state and is hated for that. And Israel does things that are considered wrong and is hated for that. And it's also used as an excuse to hate Jews worldwide. It's a river that runs both ways.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
11. Did you read my post?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

I'll quote the relevant sentence. "And Israel does things that are considered wrong and is hated for that." How does that equate to a belief that nobody could reasonably object to Israeli policies? Did I say that was bigoted? I think the implication is that it is not, even if some the criticism is misplaced (and some is spot on). There are two factors at work here. Some of the criticism of Israel is entirely legitimate. But you should also accept that a large part of the criticism of Israel is based in antisemitism.

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