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Mosby

(16,319 posts)
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:47 PM Jul 2015

As Jews Mourn Destruction of Temples, Palestinian Authority Denies They Ever Existed

As Jews around the world mourned the destruction of the ancient Jewish temples on Sunday with the observance of Tisha B’Av, Palestinian Minister of Religious Affairs Mahmoud Al-Habbash told Israel’s NRG that an Israelite temple never stood atop the Temple Mount.

“The Al-Aqsa Mosque is located atop the Temple Mount, and not the Temple. Look for your Holy Temple in another place,” said Al-Habbash.

Al-Habbash also assailed Jewish visitors who visited the holy site on Sunday, saying that “there is no room for religious pluralism” on the Temple Mount.

Al-Habbash added that, “this is a holy site for Islam, and only for Islam. Al-Aqsa Mosque is a Muslim site, and we do not recognize [as legitimate] any of the stories about the Temple.”

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/07/26/as-jews-mourn-destruction-of-temple-palestinian-authority-denies-it-ever-existed/

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As Jews Mourn Destruction of Temples, Palestinian Authority Denies They Ever Existed (Original Post) Mosby Jul 2015 OP
More... COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #1
They are so tolerant, and Israelis so intolerant????????? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #2
lol 6chars Jul 2015 #4
I didn't think that COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #8
Mahmoud Al-Habbash continues azurnoir Jul 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #5
Al-Habbash claimed that the PA’s rejection of Jewish history on the Temple Mount was political and n azurnoir Jul 2015 #6
You're defending his poor excuses.... shira Jul 2015 #7
You misconstrue. Igel Jul 2015 #9

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. More...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jul 2015

"He added that the Palestinian Authority “will not allow any Israeli presence in the Holy Mosque. This is taboo for us… Not a single Israeli has the right to pray atop the Aqsa Mosque grounds. This is a mosque and we do not recognize [anyone else’s] rule over this place.”

Poor misunderstood and persecuted Palestinians...

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. Mahmoud Al-Habbash continues
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:08 AM
Jul 2015
Al-Habbash claimed that the PA’s rejection of Jewish history on the Temple Mount was political and not religious. “We reject the Israeli claim that once there stood a Holy Temple in the place of the Aqsa Mosque,” he said. “If you open up the question of the Temple, you are opening up a religious war, ” he added.

“We do not look at this issue as a religious issue, but only as a political conflict,” he said. “The historical claims are not the issue. The occupation is the problem. We are speaking of a situation where one state has occupied another state.”

He added that the Palestinian Authority “will not allow any Israeli presence in the Holy Mosque. This is taboo for us… Not a single Israeli has the right to pray atop the Aqsa Mosque grounds. This is a mosque and we do not recognize [anyone else’s] rule over this place.”


but that does not stop algeminer which continues with it's religious claims, algeminer habitually interchanges Jew and Israeli, as though they are synonymous however seeing as how nearly 1/4 of Israel's population is not Jewish that is hardly true

Al-Habbash’s assertions were by no means novel or unique for the Palestinian Authority. Their long-held position, repeated by numerous officials, has been that Judaism has no historical or religious claim to the Temple Mount and that the history of the Jewish temples is mythical.



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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. Al-Habbash claimed that the PA’s rejection of Jewish history on the Temple Mount was political and n
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:09 AM
Jul 2015

but don't let that stop you, if you do not know what the religious significance of the Haram al Sharif is in Islam (noble sanctuary/Temple Mount) , Google could be your friend

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. You're defending his poor excuses....
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:30 AM
Jul 2015
Al-Habbash also assailed Jewish visitors who visited the holy site on Sunday, saying that “there is no room for religious pluralism” on the Temple Mount.


That's not tolerant, you know. He could be more inclusive if he were a decent person. They didn't represent Israel. They came there as Jews to pray, not Israelis.

Al-Habbash added that, “this is a holy site for Islam, and only for Islam. Al-Aqsa Mosque is a Muslim site, and we do not recognize any of the stories about the Temple.”


That's an attack on Jews, as a whole, who are not allowed there. Not just Israelis. And also for Christians who see it as a Holy place.

You're defending that hatred.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
9. You misconstrue.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015
Al-Habbash claimed that the PA’s rejection of Jewish history on the Temple Mount was political and not religious. “We reject the Israeli claim that once there stood a Holy Temple in the place of the Aqsa Mosque,” he said. “If you open up the question of the Temple, you are opening up a religious war, ” he added.

We do not look at this issue as a religious issue, but only as a political conflict,” he said. “The historical claims are not the issue. The occupation is the problem. We are speaking of a situation where one state has occupied another state.”


See? All you need to do is recognize that the PA is not a religious organization; if it were, it would be an entirely different problem in resolving the "occupation." Alter the stress a little, and (1) you make sense of the positive claims and (2) you suddenly don't have to simply read a lot of the text as "...". In other words, everybody, in 9th grade, should be taught the basic rules of cohesion and coherence (Halliday and Hasan, in other words--state of the art from 40 years ago, but apparently double-plus super-duper rocket-science).

However, the PA fully recognizes but does not claim jurisdiction over the issue as a primarily historical or religious issue, which is how many other organizations and Palestinians view it. They are not denying squat--that's for pundits to do with a strong motivation and axe to grind. They are merely narrowing their viewpoint.

Al-Habash denies religious pluralism, which for him is political (but of course; water may be necessary for survival, but water is political, one does not deny the other); he claims the Mount is a holy site, not a "political site", for Muslims and only Muslims. It's nothing new, it contiues the PA's denial of "Jewish" history and religious claims, which means that it is a historical and religious issue. But for them, it's about recognizing or denying Israeli or Zionist or Jewish rule over the place. And that makes it political.

For the primarily political, religion, like water, is political. For religionists, religion is primarily religious, and politics are also religion. For the primarily political, water is political. For the biologist and thirsty marathon runner, water is primarily about biology.
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