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shira

(30,109 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:16 PM Jul 2015

Loony-left front-runner for Britain’s Labour leader gives anti-Zionism a bad name

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.666966

...The fear among Labour’s senior leadership, that an insurrection of the party’s left wing could actually lead to Corbyn’s election, has led to dark mutterings of Labour spending decades in the wilderness of opposition and a split in the party should he win.

There has been another strain of concern over Corbyn’s surge, beyond the unelectability of a politician holding old-school socialist views and that is with his militant abhorrence of Israel. Corbyn isn’t just the run-of-the-mill pro-Palestinian activist prevalent on the left, supporting either a one or two-state solution - he has visited the most radical groups in Lebanon and Gaza. In a speech in London Corbyn spoke of his “pleasure and honor” at hosting “our friends from Hezbollah” in parliament and his regret that “friends from Hamas” were prevented by Israel from arriving. [font color = "red"]He referred to them as people promoting “peace, understanding and dialog” and denounced the British government for designating them terror organizations....[/font]

....The Community Security Trust, the main Jewish organization monitoring all forms of racism, highlighted on its website that Corbyn is also scheduled to appear soon at a conference of the conspiracy-theory peddling anti-Israel organization Middle East Monitor, along with the anti-Semitic and Holocaust denier cartoonist Carlos Latuff. As the CST's communications director Dave Rich writes, "The problem is not that Corbyn is an anti-Semite or a Holocaust denier – he is neither. The problem is that he seems to gravitate towards people who are."

...It is probably a mistake to focus too much on Corbyn's views on the Israel-Palestine conflict since foreign policy is not really an issue in the Labour leadership elections (nor did it feature very much two months ago in the general election). It is ironic however that while Ed Miliband, who was seen five years ago as the more leftist of the main candidates, was not only Jewish but had even reluctantly admitted to being a Zionist, the man who could be succeeding him freely associates with anti-Semites. The fact that a large part of party members don't see that as problem is certainly a worry to Jewish supporters and members of Labour, since it shows just how much antipathy there is in the party toward Israel. But at the same time, committed party activists are a small minority among the already shrinking number of Labour voters, so this doesn't necessarily reflect deeper public attitudes. In the same way, it is unthinkable that a Corbyn-led Labour would ever come to power.

While the debate between the four leadership candidates has mainly been on economic and welfare issues, the complexity of these issues has made it much easier for pundits and interviewers to personify Corbyn's hard-core positions by quoting his "our friends Hezbollah" remark. In some ways there is even a positive side to Corbyn's, most likely fleeting, success for Israel-supporters in Britain. While many of Israel's fiercest critics are anxious to portray themselves as being pro-peace and anti-violence, as Corbyn does himself, his embracement of Hezbollah and Hamas makes him a ridiculous caricature of a peace activist and could well end up discrediting the anti-Zionist cause as just another pet-hate of the loony left.



A true darling and hero of the Israel hating brigades.



Not much of a difference between Corbyn relating to his friends from the Nazi party who want peace.


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Loony-left front-runner for Britain’s Labour leader gives anti-Zionism a bad name (Original Post) shira Jul 2015 OP
Yup, he sounds like a goober Scootaloo Jul 2015 #1
I was going to object to the thread title, but well-deserved in this case. youch nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #2
that was a stupid thing to say and according to the title reflects on all antiZionists azurnoir Jul 2015 #3
Just stupid, or is it also appalling and vile as well? shira Jul 2015 #4
okay I didn't condemn strongly enough to satisfy not into name calling , could you please answer what azurnoir Jul 2015 #5
Calling his remarks vile & appalling isn't name-calling. It's criticism of his views.... shira Jul 2015 #6
If a centrist or rightwing politician came out in support of the KKK or BNP.... shira Jul 2015 #7
I would say it was a stupid thing to say as I said i'm not into name calling or expletives azurnoir Jul 2015 #12
No one is asking you to demonize or name-call. Just condemn. shira Jul 2015 #14
I said it was stupid sorry if that's not enough for you , however anyone familiar azurnoir Jul 2015 #15
i have to assume you're asking rhetorically Azurnoir :) Scootaloo Jul 2015 #8
well I guess so I mean I didn't call him something as 'vile' as a goober :) azurnoir Jul 2015 #11
Hey, Shira leftynyc Jul 2015 #9
"It shows how much antipathy there is in the party toward Israel" chenildieu Jul 2015 #10
sounds like sports fans 6chars Jul 2015 #13
Jeremy Corbyn's links w/ Holocaust Denier Paul Eisen revealed.... shira Aug 2015 #16
While I think Corbyn should not be a Labour politician due to his wacky views, Little Tich Aug 2015 #17
There are very strong signs Corbyn's antisemitic.... shira Aug 2015 #18
So, by proxy then... n/t Little Tich Aug 2015 #19
Radical left-winger Jeremy Corbyn 'set for huge victory in Labour leadership contest' Little Tich Aug 2015 #20
Corbyn and the Hamas backer who defends suicide bombs: He'll share stage with extremist... and a 'Ho shira Aug 2015 #21

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. that was a stupid thing to say and according to the title reflects on all antiZionists
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jul 2015

do you agree with that assessment?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. Just stupid, or is it also appalling and vile as well?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jul 2015

I don't have a problem with the title. An article could just as well be written the same way about Netanyahu, Bennett, and Lieberman giving Zionism a bad name.

So what?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. okay I didn't condemn strongly enough to satisfy not into name calling , could you please answer what
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jul 2015

I asked?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Calling his remarks vile & appalling isn't name-calling. It's criticism of his views....
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jul 2015

Why the reluctance to slam his views?

===============

And I thought I did answer your question.

To put it another way, if the KACH party received support from well-received Zionist leaders, THAT would reflect poorly on Zionism. I don't see a problem with that.

And if you agree with me and don't see a problem with that either, then why does the headline of the OP bother you?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. If a centrist or rightwing politician came out in support of the KKK or BNP....
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jul 2015

...would you call that a stupid thing to say?

I suspect you'd condemn that politician, am I right?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. I would say it was a stupid thing to say as I said i'm not into name calling or expletives
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jul 2015

such as Nazi

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. No one is asking you to demonize or name-call. Just condemn.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:17 AM
Jul 2015

You can't do it when it comes to Corbyn.

Why?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. I said it was stupid sorry if that's not enough for you , however anyone familiar
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:19 AM
Jul 2015

with my posts knows I usually do not word anything strongly regardless of who said it, just not my style

 

chenildieu

(19 posts)
10. "It shows how much antipathy there is in the party toward Israel"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jul 2015

No, it shows something darker and more primitive than that. It's that impulse that goes by different names - tribalism, or "My country right or wrong", or identity politics, or whatever the fuck. We all do it when we are young and dumb, but if we are decent non-hypocrites we wise up at some point and grow out of it. Except... Apparently lots of us don't.

It is what happens when people turn real-world shades of gray into cartoonish fights between Good Guys and Villains.

If Israel is the villain, then Hamas (a gang of murderers who keep proving they care for little beyond clinging to power, privileges and money) must be wonderful. Do not look behind the curtain! Do not admit that any humanity or suffering or normal human desire for security is driving the Israeli people and their government. Do not admit that any prejudice or power-hunger or violent jihadism drives their enemies. One side must wear white hats -pure white! - and the other side, blackyblackblack! Horns against haloes, like in a children's tale or an old western. And we can all pat ourselves on the back for being freaking Jedis on the side of light. Ahh! Feel the warm glow of self-righteousness and moral superiority!

News flash: the Israeli government does a lot of crappy things, and so does the Palestinian government. And both Israelis and Palestinians have some very human reasons for the crappy things they do.

And if all us safe-in-America, fingerpointing keyboard warriors had been raised in Rafah, or in a kibbutz, we would have totally different opinions from the ones we have adopted. Opinions differ based on experiences. It's too damn easy to stand far away and pick a side and put on a stupid white hat and pretend to be goddamn Mother Theresa.

No one in this conflict is on the fucking side of the angels.

What scares me is how many safe cozy Americans - thousands of miles from those who suffer and those who fear and those who are bitter and those who are exhausted and those who just want a place where they can live in peace - have arrogantly labeled the real live participants as either "angels" or "devils", en masse, in bigoted stereotype, rather than seeing that they are pretty much all mere humans.

It's dehumanizing, counterproductive, and just plain moronic. The Labor guy should grow up. And he is not the only one.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
13. sounds like sports fans
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jul 2015

in fact, the discourse often sounds like sports talk radio. except i will admit i enjoy the sports talk radio more.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. Jeremy Corbyn's links w/ Holocaust Denier Paul Eisen revealed....
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:56 PM
Aug 2015
Paul Eisen, a self-professed Holocaust denier, says that he has been close to Corbyn for more than 15 years

He has come out in support of Corbyn's campaign on his blog

Eisen wrote that Corbyn has attended 'every single' one of his annual events and has even donated money to his anti-Israel pressure group

Eisen's group is seen as so extreme that it was disowned by the mainstream Palestinian Solidarity Campaign in 2007

Corbyn has been sympathetic to Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA in the past


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187428/Jeremy-Corbyn-s-links-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html#ixzz3iL0KPfv3

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
17. While I think Corbyn should not be a Labour politician due to his wacky views,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:09 AM
Aug 2015

are there any actual signs that he's an anti-semite by himself and not only by proxy?

Perhaps it's true what the OP says - that he's neither an anti-Semite nor a Holocaust denier?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. There are very strong signs Corbyn's antisemitic....
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:32 AM
Aug 2015

No one can possibly consider Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends", anymore than considering members of the KKK, BNP, or Nazi Party the same way, and escape the label of bigot, hater, antisemite...

That's just not possible considering that Hamas and Hezbollah are & have always been crystal clear about their genocidal intent WRT Jews.

Supporting extremely bigoted Holocaust Deniers (the equivalent of a David Duke, Ernst Zundel, & David Irving) just seals the deal.

I refuse to believe he's that naive or ignorant. Corbyn knows exactly what he supports.

I used to give the benefit of the doubt to such people - believing that "progressives" who know better cannot possibly hold such views. But not anymore.


Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
20. Radical left-winger Jeremy Corbyn 'set for huge victory in Labour leadership contest'
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:25 AM
Aug 2015

Source: Daily Express

JEREMY Corbyn appears set to storm to victory in the Labour leadership contest – despite senior figures warning a win for the radical left-winger would be a "car crash".

The veteran MP has the support of more than half of those with a vote in the contest, according to new opinion poll.

The YouGov survey of 1,411 eligible voters in the contest to succeed election flop Ed Miliband found Mr Corbyn had nearly doubled his lead in a week to 32%.

It gave him 53%, with closest rival Andy Burnham losing five points to 21%, Yvette Cooper slipping two to 18% and Liz Kendall down three on 8%.

The latest signs of a serious challenge by Mr Corbyn came after Tony Blair's former spin doctor Alastair Campbell launched a remarkable attack on the 66-year-old.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/597467/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-Party-leadership-YouGov-poll-survey-Burnham-Cooper-Kendall

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. Corbyn and the Hamas backer who defends suicide bombs: He'll share stage with extremist... and a 'Ho
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:05 PM
Aug 2015
Corbyn and the Hamas backer who defends suicide bombs: He'll share stage with extremist... and a 'Holocaust cartoon contest' runner-up

Jeremy Corbyn is to share a stage with supporters of the Palestinian militant group Hamas – including an academic who has defended suicide attacks.

The Labour leadership frontrunner will speak later this month at a London conference hosted by the controversial publication Middle East Monitor.

One speaker will be Palestinian-born Dr Azzam Tamimi, who once told the BBC that ‘sacrificing myself for Palestine is a noble cause... I would do it if I had the opportunity’.

Another is Carlos Latuff, a cartoonist who compares Israel to the Nazis and came second in a Holocaust cartoon competition held by Iran in 2006.

Last night senior Labour MP John Mann, chairman of the all-party parliamentary group against anti-semitism, said: ‘These are not people a would-be Prime Minister should be sharing a platform with – and any contact with them should be to challenge them about their vile views.

‘He should be challenging Tamimi about his view that suicide bombings are in some way noble, and some of Latuff’s cartoons are deeply offensive. This sort of event is not where a would-be Prime Minister should be, it’s hugely inappropriate.’

Dr Tamimi claimed he was not advocating suicide bombing after speaking to the BBC in 2004, but backed ‘martyrdom’ three years ago during an event at Queen Mary University of London. The academic, described as a former adviser to Hamas, also caused offence in 2008 during a TV debate with Israeli academic Yossi Mekelberg about the Middle East.

Professor Mekelberg said: ‘We need justice for everyone...’ and Dr Tamimi replied: ‘Justice? You go back to Germany. That’s justice. You turn Germany into your state, not Palestine.’

The militant wing of Hamas has been outlawed as a terrorist organisation by Britain since 2001. Both its military and political wings are on the terror list of the US and the EU.

Middle East Monitor is seen as sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist organisation founded in Egypt and allied to Hamas.
The publication’s senior editor is Ibrahim Hewitt, who has claimed that adulterers should be stoned to death and gay men receive 100 lashes.

Hewitt runs a private Muslim school in Leicester which was investigated for extremism. He is also a trustee of the charity Interpal, which is accused by the US of sponsoring terrorism.

In February 2013, veteran Left-winger Mr Corbyn and his wife travelled to Gaza thanks to a £2,800 gift from Interpal.

Other speakers and panellists at the Westminster conference on August 22 include Pedro Charbel, from a group that calls for a boycott of Israel, and Dr Mohsen Saleh, who was thanked by Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal for organising an Islamist conference in 2012.

Also at the event – entitled Palestine and Latin America: Building Solidarity for National Rights – will be Andrew Murray, the chief of staff at Mr Corbyn’s union backers Unite.

Islington MP Mr Corbyn has a history of associating with terror groups. He caused outrage in 1984 when he invited Gerry Adams to the Commons a fortnight after the Brighton bombing.

More recently he has invited figures from Hamas and the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah to Parliament, describing them as his ‘friends’. He claimed the UK’s decision to label Hamas a terror group was a ‘historic mistake’.

The MP also defended hate preacher Raed Salah in his case against deportation. A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said last night: ‘Jeremy attends a range of events if he believes they contribute to resolving the conflict between Palestine and Israel. It doesn’t mean he agrees with the views of all the people on the panel. He puts forward his own views.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3194400/Corbyn-Hamas-backer-defends-suicide-bombs-ll-share-stage-extremist-Holocaust-cartoon-contest-runner-up.html#ixzz3ieliB0Wn
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