Abbas to escalate international moves against Israel, predict intel officials

[Israeli]

Despaired of Netanyahu's commitment to two states, Palestinian Authority to pursue efforts to undermine Israel at dozens of international organizations, according to Israeli intelligence assessment.

By Amos Harel

The Palestinian Authority leadership doesn’t believe negotiations with Israel will produce any results, and therefore plans to step up its anti-Israel activity in international forums, intelligence officials say.
This assessment, which is shared by most of Israeli’s intelligence agencies, is based on the statements made by both sides ever since Benjamin Netanyahu’s new government was formed.

The agencies predict that the PA will adopt a confrontational stance and try to undermine Israel’s standing in international agencies – not only the United Nations, but also dozens of other organizations, along the lines of last week’s failed bid to get Israel suspended from FIFA, the international soccer federation. At this stage, they say, the struggle will remain largely nonviolent.

PA President Mahmoud Abbas has despaired of negotiations both because of their lack of results during the sporadic talks he held during Netanyahu’s two previous terms and because of Netanyahu’s conflicting statements about the two-state solution in recent months. Abbas is apparently convinced that Netanyahu’s sole goal is to buy time until U.S. President Barack Obama’s term ends in January 2017.

Regardless of who succeeds Obama – whether a Republican or leading Democratic contender Hillary Clinton – both Abbas and Netanyahu think the next U.S. administration will be friendlier to Israel than the current one.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.659350

[Israeli]

1. continued....

In an interview with Channel 2 television’s “Uvda” program that aired on Tuesday night, Obama assailed Netanyahu’s objections to the ongoing nuclear negotiations with Iran. Israel’s impression is that Washington wants to prevent any diplomatic clash between Israel and the PA until an agreement with Iran is signed. That is supposed to happen at the end of this month, but the deadline might be extended.

Consequently, France has acceded to an American request to defer submitting its proposed UN Security Council resolution on ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and creating a Palestinian state. The resolution will apparently not be discussed until after the Iran deal is signed.

The U.S. is also trying to persuade the PA to refrain, for the time being, from any moves in international forums that Israel would consider extreme, like its application to join the International Criminal Court earlier this year.

In response to the ICC application, Jerusalem froze tax transfers to the PA. But the transfers were unfrozen shortly after Israel’s March election, and since then security coordination between Israel and the PA has returned to its previous high level. Military sources told Haaretz that the PA works constantly to thwart terror attacks in the West Bank.

Nevertheless, the Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet security service are worried about two possible scenarios. One is a continuation of the recent spate of lone-wolf attacks. These attacks, in which cars or knives are generally the weapon of choice, have mostly taken place in Jerusalem and its environs.

The second is another successful attack by Hamas’ military wing. Hamas cells in the West Bank are highly compartmentalized, and past experience has shown that Israel’s intelligence coverage of these cells is relatively weak in the Hebron area, where the cell that kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teens last year was based.

The IDF doesn’t see much danger of a third intifada breaking out in the next few months. The PA leadership evidently prefers to do battle in international forums, bolstered when necessary by mass demonstrations in the West Bank, and it seems likely to try to prevent any outbreak of violence that it would have trouble controlling.

But such an outbreak could be sparked by clashes between Palestinians and settlers, or by a flare-up of tensions over Jewish visits to the Temple Mount. Last October there was a spate of lone-wolf attacks in Jerusalem and, to a lesser extent, the West Bank that was sparked primarily by Palestinian anger over visits to the Mount by rightist ministers and Knesset members. Once Netanyahu took steps to halt these visits, the attacks died down within a few weeks.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.659350

[King_David]

21. I guess by posting the whole article people don't need pay the Haaretz subscription to read it now

That your form of BDS against an Israeli newspaper?



Copyright rules apply , you should probably only post 4 paragraphs, but I'm not an admin here and it's not my website at risk so best check with DU admins.

[Dawson Leery]

2. kick

[geek tragedy]

3. This is the sensible approach.

Talk is supposed to lead to action, in the Israeli playbook it is a substitute

[shira]

4. Abbas rejected the Kerry/Obama plan, and now he says he's worried...

...that Israel isn't serious about peace. Israel didn't reject the Kerry/Obama plan, the PLO did, followed it up by joining with Hamas, broke their commitment not to go International, and now they're being rewarded for their intransigence. They won't recognize a Jewish state, won't agree to an end of conflict, and won't drop their demands for the right of return of millions of Palestinians.

All Abbas has to do is keep saying no to every Israeli offer.

He has nothing to lose in his bid for the BDS goal of 1-state and eternal conflict.

[Jefferson23]

5. This information is completely incorrect and quite frankly, total BULLSHIT.

No, I am not going to link anything..as I see your aim is to post without
confirmation to back yourself up.

I'll return the same.

[shira]

6. It's all true, but if u want then find something wrong that I wrote. n/t

[Jefferson23]

7. What did I just say to you? Re-read it, if you like.

The part where you post without confirmation of anything you state, that
might help you get the point.

[shira]

8. The confirmation for everything was reported in the news.

Anyone can find this using google.

If you could prove anything I wrote was bullshit, you'd have done it already. I call your bluff. Your move, Ace.

[Jefferson23]

9. No move necessary. I already know, and so do you, it is bullshit.

You decided to not confirm upon presentation, for a reason.

[shira]

11. I'm perfectly willing to supply whatever evidence you need....

All you had to do was question any 1 of those facts.

You didn't.

You've got nothing.

[azurnoir]

12. well then link it up for us especially the walkout of the 2014 'negotiations'

[Jefferson23]

15. I believe I covered that under the heading of BULLSHIT. n/t

[oberliner]

13. ‘Palestinians to reject Kerry peace plan, launch diplomatic war on Israel’

The Palestinian leadership has reportedly decided to reject Secretary of State John Kerry’s proposals for an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal and instead launch a global diplomatic and legal assault on Israel.

The Palestinian Authority is currently setting up teams to wage diplomatic war against Israel in “every conceivable” forum, including pushing for boycotts of Israel and seeking legal rulings against Israel via international courts in The Hague, Israel’s Channel 2 news reported Friday night.

Unless Kerry significantly changes the current formulation of his proposals, the report said, the Palestinians will reject his overtures, confident that much of the international community will consider them to be the injured party and hold Israel responsible for the failure of peace efforts.

The Palestinians are furious that Kerry is offering them a state “with no borders, no capital, no [control over] border crossings… and without Jerusalem,” the TV report said, quoting Palestinian sources.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-to-reject-kerry-peace-plan-launch-diplomatic-war-on-israel/

[azurnoir]

14. The article is speculative and dated well prior to the collapse of talks, however if even this much

is true realy who can blame the Palestinians for rejecting it-Israeli 'security' would maintain a presence in the Jordan valley for 10 years-really? lets see no RoR, no Jerusalem, no pull out of military forces for 10 years, settlements not even mentioned, such a deal

Last month, the Palestinians reportedly rejected a proposal by Kerry for an Israeli security presence in the Jordan Valley for the first 10 years after the signing of a peace deal.

[Jefferson23]

16. How quickly they forget the poof..or say they do, but whatever:

Kerry places blame on Israel for crisis in peace talks

U.S. officials later try to play down Kerry's comments, saying he did not engage in a blame game and that both sides took 'unhelpful steps.'
By Barak Ravid | Apr. 8, 2014 |
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.584518



“In my judgment both leaders have made courageous and important decisions up until now. For Prime Minister Netanyahu to release prisoners is a painful, difficult political step to take, enormously hard, and the people of Israel have been incredibly supportive and patient in giving him the space in order to do that. In exchange for the deal being kept of the release of prisoners and not going to the U.N. Unfortunately, the prisoners weren’t released on the Saturday they were supposed to be released. And so day went by, day two went by day three went by and then in the afternoon when they were about to maybe get there, 700 settlement units were announced in Jerusalem. And poof! That was sort of the moment.”

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/national-security-and-foreign-policy-priorities-in-the-fy-2015-international-affairs-budget-4-8-14

[shira]

17. Abbas said ‘no’ to Obama on 3 core peace issues

Rejecting Kerry framework, Palestinian leader reportedly told US president he won’t recognize ‘Jewish Israel,’ abandon ‘right of return,’ or commit to ‘end of conflict’

http://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-abbas-said-no-to-obama-on-3-core-peace-issues/

[Jefferson23]

20. Check your dates, shira..March. It went down in April..POOF.

You crack me up.

[shira]

33. When Abbas says in March that there will be no end of conflict...

....that's the end of the "peace" talks. You can't have peace w/o an end of conflict.

Game, Set, and Match.

When Abbas says he won't give up on right of return, that means Israel is supposed to be negotiating for one Palestinian state alongside one binational Israeli state.

So much for a peaceful 2-state solution.

And of course not recognizing the Jewish state means Abbas isn't interested in negotiating a peaceful 2 state solution at all. The idea is 2 states for 2 people, and he won't even go with that language because being the racist he is, he doesn't recognize the Jewish people as folks who have indigenous rights to their historic homeland.

[Jefferson23]

36. You're on the edge, shira with no where to go, but further down..you have an absurd

need to keep doing that. You're wrong, as demonstrated by Kerry in April.

Not recognizing the Jewish state? More bullshit. The US let Bibi know that was not going
to happen, not in the manner Bibi was suggesting. Abbas recognized Israel years ago.

[shira]

38. Again, hilarious. You're on a roll. n/t

[Jefferson23]

45. It's easy, you only have to recall two key words. Kerry..."POOF". n/t

[shira]

18. Livni says Abbas missed another opportunity rejecting Obama plan...

On March 17, in a meeting in Washington, President Obama presented Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader, with a long-awaited American framework for an agreement that set out the administration’s views on major issues, including borders, security, settlements, Palestinian refugees and Jerusalem.

Livni considered it a fair framework, and Netanyahu had indicated willingness to proceed on the basis of it while saying he had reservations. But Abbas declined to give an answer in what his senior negotiator, Saeb Erekat, later described as a “difficult” meeting with Obama. Abbas remained evasive on the framework, which was never made public.

This, in Livni’s view, amounted to an important opportunity missed by the Palestinians, not least because to get Netanyahu’s acceptance of a negotiation on the basis of the 1967 borders with agreed-upon swaps — an idea Obama embraced in 2011 — would have indicated a major shift.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/opinion/roger-cohen-why-israeli-palestinian-peace-failed.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&_r=2

[Jefferson23]

19. Bullshit, as I have said repeatedly and this is exactly why you did not confirm your

nonsense in your first post about it. You can read dates, shira.

It all went down in April, the Kerry poof..but you knew that already.

[King_David]

22. The NYT is "bullshit"?

[Jefferson23]

23. You want in? I suggest you read the entire thread..I'm not going to explain it to you. n/t

[King_David]

25. "You want in" ?

My my ... Not with that tone.

Cheers

[oberliner]

24. You can read how it all went down here

The Explosive, Inside Story of How John Kerry Built an Israel-Palestine Peace Plan—and Watched It Crumble

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

In case you are actually interested.

[shira]

26. Hilarious! Nice talk BTW. n/t

[azurnoir]

27. Yes it is because according to Oberliners link t was Israel who pulled out of the talks

The Palestinians had put them on notice. But as the American officials huddled around a desktop computer, hungry for actual details about this rumor they were hearing, they couldn’t believe the headline that now flashed across the screen: FATAH, HAMAS END YEARS OF DIVISON, AGREE TO UNITY GOVERNMENT.The next day, the Israeli Cabinet had voted to suspend the talks. John Kerry’s peace process was over.

The Palestinians had put them on notice. But as the American officials huddled around a desktop computer, hungry for actual details about this rumor they were hearing, they couldn’t believe the headline that now flashed across the screen: FATAH, HAMAS END YEARS OF DIVISON, AGREE TO UNITY GOVERNMENT.The next day, the Israeli Cabinet had voted to suspend the talks. John Kerry’s peace process was over.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

[shira]

29. Nope. The deal was the Palestinians wouldn't go International....

Once they did that, they ended the talks.

[azurnoir]

30. Didn't read the snip I take it? It plainly states Israel withdrew from the talks

[shira]

31. Yeah, after the Palestinian deal-breaker to go International.

But even before that, Abbas said no to a Jewish state, to end-of-conflict, and right-of-return.

The end of conflict is the best part. What good are peace talks if they don't end the conflict? Another deal-breaker.

[azurnoir]

34. still not acurate it was the Unitty government that 'caused' Israel to call off talks

Quite a concept when you think about it-if you want peace stay divided

The Palestinians had put them on notice. But as the American officials huddled around a desktop computer, hungry for actual details about this rumor they were hearing, they couldn’t believe the headline that now flashed across the screen: FATAH, HAMAS END YEARS OF DIVISON, AGREE TO UNITY GOVERNMENT.The next day, the Israeli Cabinet had voted to suspend the talks. John Kerry’s peace process was over.

The Palestinians had put them on notice. But as the American officials huddled around a desktop computer, hungry for actual details about this rumor they were hearing, they couldn’t believe the headline that now flashed across the screen: FATAH, HAMAS END YEARS OF DIVISON, AGREE TO UNITY GOVERNMENT.The next day, the Israeli Cabinet had voted to suspend the talks. John Kerry’s peace process was over.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

[shira]

35. And you think the PLO joining a terror org. committed to killing Jews....

.....worldwide is a step towards peace?

Really?

Yet another deal-breaker.

[azurnoir]

37. I think it's quite a concept to require a people to stay divided among themselves to have 'peace'

[shira]

39. Quite the concept to accept as a peace partner an organization committed....

...to the killing of Jews worldwide.

How to negotiate with such an entity?

That they only get to kill Jews on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays?

[azurnoir]

40. the unity government would have been neither Hamas or Fatah to state otherwise is simply inaccurate

but it has been a year right, maybe folks don't remember or something

[King_David]

41. Only if your new to this "conflict"

Then one would think it neither Hamas nor Fatah .

But for those of us who have studied this we know better.

Best ask some people who know about this conflict.. Feel free to PM us we all quite friendly.

[azurnoir]

42. Nope for those of us who actually remember the Unity government was neither

below is a link to the cabinet members 1 of whom is Fatah-none are Hamas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_unity_government_of_2014

[King_David]

43. Well nobody who studies this conflict would believe that

There's a long learning curve to this topic especially the subtleties.

[azurnoir]

44. Subtlies? from who? and what kind?

[King_David]

46. "Subtlies"?

What do you mean?

[azurnoir]

47. your comment

Star Member King_David (12,022 posts)
43. Well nobody who studies this conflict would believe that

There's a long learning curve to this topic especially the subtleties.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=105112

[King_David]

48. Maybe in missing something but I don't see that word there. nt

[Jefferson23]

28. It applies, considering the content you posted. n/t

[azurnoir]

10. As I've said before when it comes to the West Bank Israel has the piece it wants

there is virtually no inducement to change a whit, as things stand right now