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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:35 PM May 2015

Next head of 'Civil Administration' said Palestinians are sub-human

http://972mag.com/next-head-of-civil-administration-said-palestinians-are-sub-human/106533/


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu finalized the formation of a new government this week when he signed a coalition agreement with far-right settler party Jewish Home. As part of the agreement, Rabbi Ben-Dahan will be Israel’s next deputy defense minister, responsible for the army’s “Civil Administration.”

The Civil Administration is responsible for all aspects the occupation that don’t involve boots-on-the-ground security operations — it administers planning, building, and infrastructure for both Jews and Palestinians in Area C of the West Bank. It also administers the Palestinian population database and is responsible for granting and revoking entry and travel permits for Palestinians, controlling every aspect of their movement.

In other words, the man slated to take charge of an organization entrusted with supervising the theft of Palestinian land and supervising Palestinians’ lives, is a racist who said he does not see them as human, but rather as animals (nothing against animals, of course, but we can be fairly certain Ben-Dahan didn’t mean it as a compliment). That’s more or less like appointing a member of the local Klu Klux Klan chapter to investigate claims of violence and discrimination against the Baltimore Police Department — that is, if Baltimore residents were deprived of citizenship and the right to vote.


This is going to get ugly. I'm not sure how our Democratic leadership is going to be able to back up Israel when they are gleefully skipping down the path of human barbarity.
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Next head of 'Civil Administration' said Palestinians are sub-human (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 OP
Quotes from the walking bigot... R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #1
No one more qualified than an explicit Jewish Supremacist geek tragedy May 2015 #2
Who knows how long this government will last, but they are going to do some severe damage R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #21
Ben-Dahan must go oberliner May 2015 #3
But he won't Scootaloo May 2015 #4
I'm really concerned that it is going to get really bad, R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #6
On that we can agree, but these clowns are going R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #5
Interesting that you didnt post ... Israeli May 2015 #8
The entire article can be found at the link oberliner May 2015 #9
???? Israeli May 2015 #11
"views are anti-Jewish..." R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #12
Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan..... Israeli May 2015 #14
Sorry. I was confusing "him" with Ayelet Shaked. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #16
Stop whining. Long live Israel's new and honest government Israeli May 2015 #18
You should create an OP for this. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #19
Copyright prevents posting the whole article King_David May 2015 #10
Your sig line is a Personal attack King_David May 2015 #13
Well, aren't you so special lately: passing out edicts, accusations and threats? R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #15
Have you ever noticed how the opponents of truth R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #22
Even though the article is about Ben-Dahan’s previous post, it’s just as valid when it comes to his Little Tich May 2015 #17
Eli Ben-Dahan seems to be a complete bell end. Little Tich May 2015 #7
You probably wouldn't have to dig too deep to find it. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #20
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
1. Quotes from the walking bigot...
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:38 PM
May 2015
“Palestinians are beasts, they are not human.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Aug 1, 2013. (Hebrew)

“A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Dec 27, 2013. (Hebrew/English)


You can't hasbara this away...
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. No one more qualified than an explicit Jewish Supremacist
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:51 PM
May 2015

to carry out the agenda of apartheid.

let's see the blue and white pom-poms celebrating this.

Former head of religious affairs for the totally-not-theocratic state of Israel.

At this point, it's getting harder and harder to play "Which government: Saudi or Israeli?"

If someone wants to explain how this guy is better than your average Nazi, please do so.

Heck of a day for the price tag terrorists--they will have free reign in the occupied territories.

Local Palestinians had better arm themselves.




 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
21. Who knows how long this government will last, but they are going to do some severe damage
Mon May 11, 2015, 12:06 AM
May 2015

to Israel's already blackened reputation.

Sick is what it is, and the best that the "blue and white pom-poms" as you call them can come up with for Israel is fluff articles.


Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, human rights abuses and the monsters of a new government are met with cute and cuddly dog shit.


If someone wants to explain how this guy is better than your average Nazi, please do so.



Their silence is deafening, isn't it?
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Ben-Dahan must go
Fri May 8, 2015, 04:09 PM
May 2015

The most fundamental teaching of the Torah is that human beings – all human beings, men and women, Jews and non-Jews – are created in the image of God.

“And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). It was on that basis that murder was forbidden.

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in His image did God made man” (Genesis 9:6). When the prophet Amos said, “To Me, O Israelites, you are just like the Cushites – declares the Lord” (Amos 9 ), he was expressing the concept that although Israel has a covenantal relationship with God, there is no inherent superiority in the people of Israel. All peoples are God’s equal creation.

The Sages taught the same lesson. “Why was only one human being – Adam – created? So that no one should say to his fellow, ‘My father was greater than your father’” (Sanhedrin 4:5). Ben-Azzai said that the greatest principle of the Torah was expressed in the verse, “This is the record of Adam’s line – When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God” (Genesis 5:1), stressing again that God created all human beings in His likeness. Rabbi Akiva based his theology on the idea that “Beloved is man for he was created in the Image; greater still was the love in that it was made known to him that he was created in the Image of God, as it is written, ‘For in the image of God made he man’” (Avot 3:15).

As the midrash says, “I call heaven and earth as witnesses: The spirit of holiness rests upon each person according to the deed that each does, whether that person be non-Jew or Jew, man or woman, manservant or maidservant” (Seder Eliyahu Rabba 9).

The pernicious doctrine that Jewish souls are higher than other souls is a perversion of these Jewish teachings and should be denounced as a dangerous heresy. It is dangerous because any such teaching of superiority of one group over another leads to actions in which humans can be treated as inferior, as less than human and eventually can be disposed of as well. We have suffered from this ourselves, and teaching it to our children will only lead to Jews treating others badly, as indeed has already happened. It may be that others who held prominent positions in our governments have held the same view as Ben-Dahan, but at least they never uttered it in public. By doing so, Ben-Dahan has rendered himself persona non-grata and should have the good grace to resign. If not, he should be told to leave. We are constantly asking others to condemn those who speak disparagingly of Jews or Judaism. We have asked more than one pope to change the liturgy so as not to show Jews in a bad light. Should not we ask the same thing of ourselves and denounce any Jewish teaching that demeans non-Jews? Israel must not be in a position in which others can point to us and say, “Look what your government is teaching about non-Jews before you complain about what others are saying about you.”

As Hillel said, all of Judaism can be encapsulated in the idea that we are not to do to others what is hateful to us (Shabbat 31a). Ben-Dahan has violated that rule.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. But he won't
Fri May 8, 2015, 04:43 PM
May 2015

Netanyahu will not endanger his coalition by booting him. And I somehow doubt there will be popular outcry from Israelis.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
6. I'm really concerned that it is going to get really bad,
Fri May 8, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

really fast.

We've entered the looking glass. Alice in Wonderland looks like a Mensa discussion compared to Bibi 4.0

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. On that we can agree, but these clowns are going
Fri May 8, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

to do so much damage on the way down before it's over.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
8. Interesting that you didnt post ...
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:24 AM
May 2015

....the beginning of the article oberliner.....just the sermon ???

Are you Masorti as Reuven Hammer the author is ?

Ben-Dahan is Dati Leumi .....

(ref for those who are not familiar with the term : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionism )

The Masorti movement may have a say in America but I am afraid over here its the Orthodox establishment that rules the roost .

Reuven Hammer can say " Ben-Dahan must go " but that is about all he can do.

Good luck beating those guys .....

Israeli mayor bans disabled boys’ Masorti bar mitzvah

Rehovot’s Rahamim Malul, an ex-Shas MK, accused of using kids as political pawns in battle against non-Orthodox Judaism

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-mayor-bans-disabled-boys-masorti-bar-mitzvah/

Like Israel’s relatively small Reform Jewish communities, the smaller Masorti communities, which are analogous to Conservative congregations in North America, have been waging a legal and public relations battle for equal treatment by the Orthodox establishment and tolerance by Orthodox Jews.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. The entire article can be found at the link
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:28 AM
May 2015

It's not behind a paywall or anything. My hope is that whenever I post a link to an article that interested parties will read the entire article. The excerpt I posted I found particularly interesting because it addressed how she claims to represent Judaism but this person actually thinks her views are anti-Jewish.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
11. ????
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:33 AM
May 2015

Quote : " The excerpt I posted I found particularly interesting because it addressed how she claims to represent Judaism but this person actually thinks her views are anti-Jewish. "

She ????
Her ????

What ????????

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
12. "views are anti-Jewish..."
Sat May 9, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 9, 2015, 05:13 PM - Edit history (1)

You do understand, ober, that he is going to be in the new Nutinyahoo government and that a majority of the Israeli electorate made that happen.

If he, as you suggest in the article, has views that are anti-Jewish the what does that say for the majority of Israeli voters?



They have made this possible, right?

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
14. Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan.....
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:02 PM
May 2015

.....is a he RDO !!!!

How ober has him confused with a she is beyond me .
Ben in Hebrew is " son of "
Plus at the start of the article he posted is this :

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?id=220801&h=530&w=758

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
16. Sorry. I was confusing "him" with Ayelet Shaked.
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

But "he" and "she" seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Post corrected.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
18. Stop whining. Long live Israel's new and honest government
Sun May 10, 2015, 03:29 AM
May 2015
Israel's new government won't spout hollow slogans about peace, human rights, and justice. The truth will be thrust in the faces of Israelis - and the world.

By Gideon Levy | May 10, 2015 |

The 34th government will deserve Israel; Israel will deserve the 34th government. This is an authentic and representative government, the true manifestation of the spirit of the times and the deepest feelings of most Israelis. It will be a true government, without pretense, without makeup and without self-justification. What we’ll see is what we’ll get. Welcome to the fourth Benjamin Netanyahu government.

They won’t talk haughtily and they won’t spout hollow slogans. Not about peace and not about human rights; not about two states and not about negotiations; not about international law, justice or equality. The truth will be thrust in the faces of Israelis and the world. And the truth is this: The two-state solution is dead (it was never born), the Palestinian state will not arise, international law does not apply to Israel, the occupation will continue to crawl quickly toward annexation, annexation will continue to crawl quickly toward an apartheid state; “Jewish” supersedes “democratic,” nationalism and racism will get the government stamp of approval, but they’re already here and have been for a long time.


Neither Netanyahu, nor Habayit Hayehudi’s chairman MK Naftali Bennett nor that party’s faction members MK Ayelet Shaked and MK Eli Ben-Dahan, started this whole thing. They only expedited things. And there should be no shock or outrage, no bewailing the bitterness of fate. This government is a government of continuation, not a government of change.

True, some of its members are more extreme than their predecessors, but that is mainly about rhetorical differences. Even the most inflammatory appointment, of Shaked as justice minister, which reverberated throughout the world over the weekend, is less revolutionary than it seems. Shaked is blunt and violent, whereas Zionist Union MK Tzipi Livni, her predecessor, was delicate and proper. But Justice Minister Shaked will not have to work hard to break open cracks in our democracy; they opened a long time ago.

The best test of the nature of the regime in Israel is the test of the occupation and the war crimes: the foundations of apartheid are already deep and the war crimes remain uninvestigated. From her office in the heart of occupied Jerusalem, Livni has not made Israel more just in that respect. True, Shaked’s ideas are more nationalistic and her understanding of the essence of democracy is nil. True, many in the world were shocked that a person who identified with one of the most violent articles ever written here against the Palestinian people (by Uri Elitzur), was appointed minister of Israeli justice. But there’s no place for such sanctimoniousness. Elitzur expressed what many people are thinking.

The appointment of another racist, Eli Ben-Dahan, as deputy defense minister, responsible for the Civil Administration, should not be earth-shattering either. True, Ben-Dahan said that “the Palestinians are animals, they are not human, they are not entitled to live” – but don’t these statements reflect the true attitude of many Israelis? Ben-Dahan will speak for them. That is how Israel has been treating the Palestinians for almost 50 years; Ben-Dahan is only saying things overtly. Now he will be responsible for the Civil Administration and the whole system of “humanitarian gestures” will be torn up. Ben-Dahan is the right man in the right place at the right time. An excellent appointment.

A person who proudly says “I killed masses of Arabs” and calls them “shrapnel in the buttocks” will be education minister – and who in Israel doesn’t think that? The general of Operation Cast Lead, with its crimes, the man who contravened building restrictions, Yoav Galant, will be construction minister. Is that not a fine appointment? MK Uri Maklev of United Torah Judaism is to head the Knesset Science Committee? Does that not correctly reflect the attitude of some Israelis to science?

Stop whining. Maybe Israel’s shadow government should be more enlightened, but not its real government. It is what the Israelis chose, it reflects their true stands. And so, long live the new government.


Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.655674
NB : No paywall .

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. Your sig line is a Personal attack
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

You need not respond especially when you are outwitted and unable to respond to very smart argument.

Some people believe that you put that in your sig line and it applies to all Gay members of DU? Is this true?

What's best is to quietly ignore me or put me on ignore without a "personal attack"
Sig line , which is what I do. That's the mature thing to do.

Whatever it is , remove it pronto , it's a disgusting, immature,homophobic,ignorant,personal attack.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
15. Well, aren't you so special lately: passing out edicts, accusations and threats?
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015

So now you are accusing two DUERS who post in I/P of being anti-gay.

It's an old shtick, dave, to accuse others without fact: hoping that they run.

Did it work for me? How about Israeli?

Losing arguments continuously shouldn't mean that you have to resort to false victimization while victimizing others.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. Have you ever noticed how the opponents of truth
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

will do anything and everything to shut us down: from whining about their feelings of victimization, which really borders on hollow school-boy threats, to crying about article length?

Some will do anything to hide the reality of the apartheid machine.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
17. Even though the article is about Ben-Dahan’s previous post, it’s just as valid when it comes to his
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:40 PM
May 2015

new one in the Ministry of Defense.

Ben-Dahan must go.

Again.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
7. Eli Ben-Dahan seems to be a complete bell end.
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:44 AM
May 2015

I bet the same kind of dirt can be found on all the ministers and their deputies.

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