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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:18 AM Nov 2015

Russia says Turkey’s shooting of jet was ‘planned’

ANKARA, Turkey — Russia moved to reinforce its military base in Syria and ratcheted up criticism of Turkey on Wednesday as the U.S. and German leaders called for an easing of tensions after Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.

Later in the day, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called the downing of the fighter jet a “planned provocation.”

“We have no intention to go to war with Turkey,” Lavrov added.

Russia “will have to respond to” any future air incidents, President Vladimir Putin said. “We are taking this incident in the most serious possible way and all means will be used to ensure security,” he said Wednesday in Nizhny Tagil, Russia.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/11/25/russia-says-turkey-shooting-jet-was-planned/SOeBXg7cEkX7OgSQu0SoYM/story.html

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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Russian FM Lavrov's Address Following Downing of Su-24 by Turkey
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:20 AM
Nov 2015

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is addressing journalists following the downing of the Russian Su-24 jet by an air-to-air missile launched from a Turkish F-16.

Lavrov spoke to his Turkish counterpart in a phone conversation.


"Moscow is not avoiding contacts with Ankara — my phone conversation with the Turkish FM is proof," Lavrov said.

Turkey's foreign minister expressed his sincere condolences to Sergei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister said. But the Turkish minister tried to excuse the incident, Lavrov added.

The Turkish minister said that Turkey did not know it was a Russian jet.

"We have serious doubts it was an accident and prepared footage of the jet downing suggests it wasn't," Sergei Lavrov said. "It all looks like a planned provocation".


http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151125/1030722974/russia-foreign-ministry-lavrov-press-su24.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Russia will continue air strikes in Syria near Turkish border - Kremlin
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:20 AM
Nov 2015

MOSCOW, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Russia will continue air strikes against Islamic State targets located in Syria near the Turkish border, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday.

"We would like for the terrorists and militants to keep further away from the Turkish border, but unfortunately they tend to be situated on the Syrian territory close to the Turkish border," Peskov told journalists on a conference call.

http://www.trust.org/item/20151125102852-bun9g/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Breaking international law in Syria
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:21 AM
Nov 2015

The war drums are getting louder in the aftermath of ISIS attacks in Paris, as Western countries gear up to launch further airstrikes in Syria. But obscured in the fine print of countless resolutions and media headlines is this: the West has no legal basis for military intervention. Their strikes are illegal.

“It is always preferable in these circumstances to have the full backing of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) but I have to say what matters most of all is that any actions we would take would…be legal,” explained UK Prime Minister David Cameron to the House of Commons last Wednesday.

Legal? No, there’s not a scrap of evidence that UK airstrikes would be lawful in their current incarnation.

Then just two days later, on Friday, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 2249, aimed at rallying the world behind the fairly obvious notion that ISIS is an “unprecedented threat to international peace and security.”

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323396-unsc-isis-syria-us/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Why Did Turkey Dare Shoot Down a Russian Plane? The Proxy War in Syria
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:22 AM
Nov 2015

The Turkish government decision to down a Russian jet operating in the north of the Syrian province of Latakia is breathtaking in its boldness. Russia may no longer be a superpower, but it is a nuclear-armed great power. The newly elected Justice and Development Party (AKP) government of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and his mentor President Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey can rule without the help of any other party in parliament, and seems determined to double down on its policy of intervening in Syria.

The Davutoglu government risks substantial economic harm. Russian tourism has boosted the Turkish economy, and Russia was planning an important gas pipeline through Turkey as well as the building for Ankara of a nuclear power reactor. All those activities have just been cancelled, and tour operators in Russia are looking for other tourist markets after pressure from the Putin government. Russia is attributing the attack to an attempt by Turkish officials to protect gasoline smuggling routes from Daesh (ISIL, ISIS) to Turkey, but the geography of the shoot-down tells against this interpretation. This was near al-Qaeda territory in the northwest, not Daesh territory in the northeast, and the issue is arms smuggling, not oil smuggling.

Turkey has backed a range of Muslim fundamentalist groups in northern Syria in hopes of eventually overthrowing the Baath government of Bashar al-Assad. Turkey is also afraid of the leftist Kurds of northern Syria, which are accused of attempting to ethnically cleanse Arab and Turkmen villages that stand in the way of their establishing land bridges between the three major Kurdish cantons of northern Syria. The People’s Protection Unites (YPG) or leftist Kurdish militias have already linked two of these cantons, defeating Daesh in order to do so. The third, Afrin, is separated from Kobane by a set of Arab and Turkmen villages north of Aleppo.


The blue territory on the map shows Turkmen villages in Syria. Also home of the proposed security zone pic.twitter.com/qg1k6SG8t1
— Rag?p Soylu (@ragipsoylu) July 26, 2015


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_did_turkey_dare_shoot_down_a_russian_plane_proxy_war_syria_20151125

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Downing of Russian jet part of Turkey's 'strange game' in Syria
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:26 AM
Nov 2015

While there is still debate over the exact circumstances of the downing of a Russian jet for breaching Turkish airspace, the decisive action shows how incensed Turkey is by Russia's backing of the Assad regime in Syria.

"I think Turkey definitely took a very risky move by shooting down the Russian aircraft," says Omar Lamrani, a military analyst for Stratfor, the global intelligence and advisory firm based in Austin, Tex.

But Lamrani believes "they felt that they couldn't let Russia keep pushing them around in terms of the Syrian conflict. And they had to send a message that this couldn't continue."

On Tuesday morning, Turkish warplanes shot down a Russian Su-24 jet, which crashed into a mountain in Latakia province in northwestern Syria.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turkey-military-plane-russia-1.3332436?cmp=rss

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Turkey intensifies aerial border security amid Russian crisis
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:24 AM
Nov 2015

The Turkish Air Force has increased the number of warplanes patrolling the Turkish-Syrian border to 18 after the downing of a Russian jetfighter by a Turkish F-16 on Nov. 24 triggered unprecedented tension between Ankara and Moscow.

The intensification of the aerial protection of Turkish airspace was announced by a routine daily statement of the Chief of General Staff that declared that the Turkish-Syrian border was now being patrolled by 18 F-16s.

Turkey has always patrolled its airspace with F-16s, but the number of warplanes on duty was no more than 12, even during early October when Russian jetfighters first violated Turkish airspace.

The move follows Russia’s statement that it would continue its military operations near the Turkish border and that it would deploy high-tech air defense systems to Syrian bases.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-intensifies-aerial-border-security-amid-russian-crisis.aspx?pageID=238&nID=91651&NewsCatID=352

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. S-400 air defense missile system to be deployed to airbase in Syria
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:25 AM
Nov 2015

Air defenses of the Hmeimim airbase where the Russian aviation group in Syria is stationed will soon be reinforced with an S-400 air defense missile system, Russian Defense Minister Gen. of the Army Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting of the Defense Ministry Board on Nov. 25.

"An S-400 air defense missile system will be moved to the Hmeimim airfield in accordance with the decision of the supreme commander-in-chief to provide air defense in every sector," the minister said.

"The same as before, we will not ignore such incidents," Shoigu said in his comment on the downing of a Sukhoi Su-24 bomber in Syria on Nov. 24.

"This case is special," he said.

http://rbth.com/defence/2015/11/25/s-400-air-defense-misile-system-to-be-deployed-to-airbase-in-syria_544209

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Boys with toys playing around sometimes have accidents.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

The two nations today have agreed to better communications to prevent this horsing around....so....everyone but the American mass media is not panicking....as usual only American media...

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Chief of Iranian Revolutionary Guard seriously injured in Syria
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:45 AM
Nov 2015

Iranian media sources have confirmed that General Qassem Soleimani, the head of the elite Quds Force in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has been seriously injured in Aleppo, Syria.

Iranian journalist Amir Mousavi, who is close to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said in a post on his Facebook page that: “General Qassem Soleimani suffered injury on the battlefields and is now recovering well.”

The Persian-language opposition website AsrIran was the first to reveal the news in a report yesterday in which it revealed that Soleimani was seriously injured along with two other Iranian personnel in an anti-tank rocket attack 12 days ago in the northern Syrian city.

The AsrIran website is considered close to the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/22473-chief-of-iranian-revolutionary-guard-seriously-injured-in-syria

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
12. Qasem Soleimani
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:41 AM
Nov 2015
Qasem Soleimani (Persian: قاسم سلیمانی??, born 11 March 1957) is a major general in the Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (IRGC) and since 1998 commander of its Quds Force—a division primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations.[10] A veteran of the Iran–Iraq war, he has been active in many conflicts from Afghanistan to the Levant. His methods have been a blend of military intervention through ideological proxies and hard-nosed strategic diplomacy...

... Following the September 11 attacks of 2001, Ryan Crocker, a senior State Department official in the United States, flew to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats who were under the direction of Soleimani with the purpose of collaborating to destroy the Taliban, which had targeted Shia Afghanis.[13] This collaboration was instrumental in defining the targets of bombing operations in Afghanistan and in capturing key Al Qaeda operatives, but abruptly ended in January 2002, when George W Bush named Iran as part of the "Axis of evil" in his State of the Union address.[13]

In 2009, a leaked report stated that General Soleimani met Christopher R. Hill and General Raymond T. Odierno (America’s two most senior officials in Baghdad at the time) in the office of Iraq’s president, Jalal Talabani (who has known General Soleimani for decades). Hill and General Odierno denied the occurrence of the meeting.[19]

On 24 January 2011, Soleimani was promoted to Major General by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.[15][20] Khamenei is described as having a close relationship with him, helping him financially and has called Soleimani a "living martyr".[13]

Soleimani has been described as "the single most powerful operative in the Middle East today" and the principal military strategist and tactician in Iran's effort to combat Western influence and promote the expansion of Shiite and Iranian influence throughout the Middle East.[13]..

... According to several sources, including Riad Hijab, a former Syrian premier who defected in August 2012, he is also one of the staunchest supporters of the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian Civil War.[13][21] In the later half of 2012, Soleimani assumed personal control of the Iranian intervention in the Syrian civil war, when Iranians became deeply concerned about the Assad government's lack of ability to fight the opposition, and the fallout to the Islamic Republic if the Syrian government fell. In Damascus he is reported to have coordinated the war from a base in Damascus at which a Lebanese Hezbollah commander and an Iraqi Shiite militia coordinator have been mobilized... He is widely credited with delivering the strategy that has helped President Bashar al-Assad turn the tide against rebel forces and recapture key cities and towns.[24]..

... In October 2015, it was reported that he had been instrumental in devising during his visit to Moscow in July 2015 the Russian-Iranian-Syrian offensive in October 2015.[26]..

/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasem_Soleimani

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Turkish helicopters overfly northeast Syria: report
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

BEIRUT – Turkish helicopters have overflown Syrian territory in the northeast of the war-torn country, residents in the area said only a day after Turkey shot down a Russian jet.

“Residents of the Alyan border area with Turkey [near] Al-Jawadiya woke up Wednesday morning to the sounds of helicopters hovering overhead at a low altitude,” Erbil-based ARA News reported.

The news outlet—which closely follows developments in northern Syria—added that the overflights were continuing into the early afternoon, when its report was published.

A resident of Al-Jawadiya—known in Kurdish as Cil Axa—told ARA that the Turkish helicopter were hovering along a 20 kilometer stretch of territory parallel to the border with Syria.

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/566282-turkish-helicopters-overfly-northeast-syria-report

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. Obama and Putin.........
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:02 PM
Nov 2015

Both seem to be interesting characters on the World Stage. Nuanced, Thoughtful, Calculated ...............with many of the same forces working against them. As it all plays out. Just "my humble opinion," of course.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. You see a lot worse.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:22 AM
Nov 2015

It is easy to speculate about those private conversations, but I don't see anything that tells me much. That picture at the little table at G20 was interesting because they were really engaged. And they have certain common interests and problems. But that doesn't mean they are in any sense in cahoots. And they both play their cards pretty close to their chests, as any guys in their positions must, since neither is actually a dictator on the order of Kim the 3rd.

But their personalities clash, their personas, the public faces. And they are competitors or enemies, take your pick. And their political positions are very different. Putin has a lot more control, a lot more political power, in his own system. He has legitimacy, he will be obeyed. Obama not so much.

So I'm not really ready to have an opinion about it, either how they get along or who they really are in private.

But I am confident both nations could do a lot worse, and I expect how things work out in Ukraine and the Middle East, and elsewhere, to be illuminating.

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