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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:33 AM Jun 2015

Von der Leyen, de Maizière show solidarity over faulty G36 rifle

http://www.dw.de/von-der-leyen-de-maizi%C3%A8re-show-solidarity-over-faulty-g36-rifle/a-18509302

At a committee hearing last month, Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen appeared to criticize her predecessor. This time, both were present. While the pair did express unity, it was seen as somewhat brittle.

Von der Leyen, de Maizière show solidarity over faulty G36 rifle
10.06.2015

Von der Leyen and her predecessor at Germany's troubled defense ministry, Thomas de Maizière, attempted a show of solidarity as they appeared before a Bundestag defense committee on Wednesday.

The pair were there to answer questions about the G36 assault rifle, which has been found to overheat and become inaccurate in a hot environment or when it is fired too much.

At a defense committee in May, von der Leyen appeared to criticize de Maiziere for his handling of the G36 rifle debacle, saying the weapon should have been withdrawn when the problems first became apparent. But on Tuesday the two ministers seemed keen to convey unity.

~snip~

Praise for predecessor

"We both have the same view of things," said von der Leyen, after defense committee sitting, even going so far as to thank de Maizière for having set up an inquiry into the rifle. Von der Leyen announced in April that some 167,000 rifles would need to be scrapped or adapted. "I am thankful that Thomas de Maizière got the investigations off the ground," she said.


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H&K 'donated' 9,472 G36 assault rifles to Mexico between 2003 and 2011 (for the CIA's Fast & Furious program). That's the one where the CIA lost track of the weapons they sent to Mexico.
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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
3. The CIA's guns, drugs and money program has been going on for a long time.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

A number of writers have claimed that the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is or has been involved in drug trafficking. Books on the subject that have received general notice include works by historian Alfred McCoy, English professor and poet Peter Dale Scott, and journalists Gary Webb and Alexander Cockburn. These claims have led to investigations by the United States government, including hearings and reports by the United States House of Representatives, Senate, Department of Justice, and the CIA's Office of the Inspector General. The subject remains a controversial one.

~snip~

CIA and Kuomintang opium smuggling operations

In order to provide covert funds for the Kuomintang (KMT) forces loyal to General Chiang Kai-shek, who were fighting the Chinese communists under Mao Zedong, the CIA helped the KMT smuggle opium from China and Burma to Bangkok, Thailand, by providing airplanes owned by one of their front businesses, Air America.[3]

Iran-Contra affair
Main articles: CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US and Iran–Contra affair

In 1986, the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations began investigating drug trafficking from Central and South America and the Caribbean to the United States. The investigation was conducted by the Sub-Committee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations, chaired by Senator John Kerry, so its final 1989 report was known as the Kerry Committee report. The Report concluded that "it is clear that individuals who provided support for the Contras were involved in drug trafficking, the supply network of the Contras was used by drug trafficking organizations, and elements of the Contras themselves knowingly received financial and material assistance from drug traffickers."[4]

In 1996 Gary Webb wrote a series of articles published in the San Jose Mercury News, which investigated Nicaraguans linked to the CIA-backed Contras who had smuggled cocaine into the U.S. which was then distributed as crack cocaine into Los Angeles and funneled profits to the Contras. His articles asserted that the CIA was aware of the cocaine transactions and the large shipments of drugs into the U.S. by the Contra personnel and directly aided drug dealers to raise money for the Contras. The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, and The Washington Post launched their own investigations and rejected Webb's allegations.[5] In May 1997, the editor of the Mercury News published a rebuke of Webb's series and stated that the paper had no proof of the relationship and had fallen short in its investigation.[5] Webb turned the articles into a book called, Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion."
Mena, Arkansas

A number of allegations have been written about and several local, state, and federal investigations have taken place related to the notion of the Mena Intermountain Municipal Airport as a CIA drop point in large scale cocaine trafficking beginning in the latter part of the 1980s. The topic has received some press coverage that has included allegations of awareness, participation and/or coverup involvement of figures such as future president Bill Clinton.[6][7][8][9]

An investigation by the CIA's inspector general concluded that the CIA had no involvement in or knowledge of any illegal activities that may have occurred in Mena. The report said that the agency had conducted a training exercise at the airport in partnership with another Federal agency and that companies located at the airport had performed "routine aviation-related services on equipment owned by the CIA".[10]

Mexico
See also: Mexican Drug War

The oldest Mexican Cartel, the Guadalajara cartel, was benefited by the CIA for having connections with the Honduran drug lord Juan Matta-Ballesteros,[11][12] a CIA asset,[13] who was the head of SETCO, an airline used for smuggling drugs into the US[14] and also used to transport military supplies and personnel for the Nicaraguan Contras, using funds from the accounts established by Oliver North.[15]

It is also alleged that the DFS, the main Mexican intelligence agency, which is in part a CIA creation and later became the Mexican Center for Research and National Security(CISEN), had among its members the CIA's closest government allies in Mexico. DFS badges, "handed out to top-level Mexican drug-traffickers, have been labelled by DEA agents a virtual 'license to traffic.'".[16]

It is also known that the Guadalajara Cartel, Mexico's most powerful drug-trafficking network in the early 1980s, prospered largely, among other reasons, because it enjoyed the protection of the DFS, under its chief Miguel Nazar Haro, a CIA asset.[16]

Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo, known as the Godfather of the Mexican drug business and the first Mexican drug lord, provided a significant amount of funding, weapons, and other aid to the Contras in Nicaragua. His pilot, Werner Lotz, stated that Gallardo once had him deliver $150,000 in cash to a Contra group, and Gallardo often boasted about smuggling arms to them. His activities were known to several U.S. federal agencies, including the CIA and DEA, but he was granted immunity due to his "charitable contributions to the Contras".[17]

Vicente Zambada Niebla, the son of Ismael Zambada García one of the top drug lords in Mexico, claimed after his arrest to his attorneys that he and other top Sinaloa Cartel members had received immunity by U.S. agents and a virtual licence to smuggle cocaine over the United States border, in exchange for intelligence about rival cartels engaged in the Mexican Drug War.[18][19] It is important to note that this Cartel has been classified as the most powerful[20] drug trafficking, money laundering, and organized crime syndicate in the world.

In October 2013, two former federal agents and an ex-CIA contractor told an American television network that CIA operatives were involved in the kidnapping and murder of DEA covert agent Enrique Camarena, because he was a threat to the agency's drug operations in Mexico. According to the three men, the CIA was collaborating with drug traffickers moving cocaine and marijuana to the United States, and using its share of the profits to finance Nicaraguan Contra rebels attempting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. A CIA spokesman responded, calling it "ridiculous" to suggest that the Agency had anything to do with the murder of a US federal agent or the escape of his alleged killer.[21]

Panama
See also: Illegal drug trade in Panama
The U.S. military invasion of Panama after which dictator Manuel Noriega was captured.

In 1989, the United States invaded Panama as part of Operation Just Cause, which involved 25,000 American troops. Gen. Manuel Noriega, head of government of Panama, had been giving military assistance to Contra groups in Nicaragua at the request of the U.S.—which, in exchange, allowed him to continue his drug-trafficking activities—which they had known about since the 1960s.[22][23] When the DEA tried to indict Noriega in 1971, the CIA prevented them from doing so.[22] The CIA, which was then directed by future president George H. W. Bush, provided Noriega with hundreds of thousands of dollars per year as payment for his work in Latin America.[22] However, when CIA pilot Eugene Hasenfus was shot down over Nicaragua by the Sandinistas, documents aboard the plane revealed many of the CIA's activities in Latin America, and the CIA's connections with Noriega became a public relations "liability" for the U.S. government, which finally allowed the DEA to indict him for drug trafficking, after decades of allowing his drug operations to proceed unchecked.[22] Operation Just Cause, whose ostensible purpose was to capture Noriega, pushed the former Panamanian leader into the Papal Nuncio where he surrendered to U.S. authorities. His trial took place in Miami, where he was sentenced to 45 years in prison.[22]

Noriega's prison sentence was reduced from 30 years to 17 years for good behavior.[24] After serving 17 years in detention and imprisonment, his prison sentence ended on September 9, 2007.[25] He was held in U.S. custody before being extradited to France where he was sentenced to 7 years for laundering money from Colombian drug cartels.[26]

Venezuelan National Guard Affair
See also: Illegal drug trade in Venezuela

The CIA, in spite of objections from the Drug Enforcement Administration, allowed at least one ton of nearly pure cocaine to be shipped into Miami International Airport. The CIA claimed to have done this as a way of gathering information about Colombian drug cartels, but the cocaine ended up being sold on the street.[27]

In November 1993, the former head of the DEA, Robert C. Bonner appeared on 60 Minutes and criticized the CIA for allowing several tons of pure cocaine to be smuggled into the U.S. via Venezuela without first notifying and securing the approval of the DEA.[28]

In November 1996, a Miami grand jury indicted former Venezuelan anti-narcotics chief and longtime CIA asset, General Ramon Guillen Davila, who was smuggling many tons of cocaine into the United States from a Venezuelan warehouse owned by the CIA. In his trial defense, Guillen claimed that all of his drug smuggling operations were approved by the CIA.[29][30]
See also

CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US
CIA transnational anti-crime and anti-drug activities
War on Drugs
MKULTRA
Air America (airline)
Air America (non-fiction book)
Air America (film)
War crimes committed by the United States
Castle Bank & Trust (Bahamas)
Nugan Hand Bank
Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Hasenfus

Eugene Hasenfus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eugene H. Hasenfus (born January 22, 1941 in Florida) is a United States citizen who was alleged by Nicaragua Sandinista authorities to be employed by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), after the aircraft he was aboard crashed on Nicaraguan soil.[1][2]

Iran-Contra Affair

Hasenfus was a former Marine from Marinette, Wisconsin, who had been an unemployed construction worker, at the time when he secured work, alleged by Sandinistas to be as a cargo handler for the CIA. This was stated by Hasenfus himself,[1] who later retracted that statement.[2]
Corporate Air Services HPF821
Main article: Corporate Air Services HPF821

Hasenfus was aboard the Fairchild C-123 cargo plane, N4410F,[3] formerly USAF 54-679, (c/n 20128), shot down over Nicaragua on October 5, 1986, while delivering supplies to the Nicaraguan Contras. During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, it was established that the aircraft was shot down while participating in a covert operation devised and approved by elements of the United States government. The two pilots and a radio operator died in the crash, but Hasenfus was able to parachute to safety. He was captured by Nicaraguan Sandinista forces, was tried, and was ultimately sentenced to the maximum term of 30 years in prison. In December 1986, at the request of U.S. Senator Chris Dodd, he was pardoned and released by Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.

Hasenfus' capture and detention helped uncover and publicize the Iran-Contra Affair. A black book of phone numbers in the wreckage tied the plane to an operation based in Ilopango airbase in El Salvador, supported by anti-Castro exile Felix Rodriguez. Press speculation focused on retired Major General Jack Singlaub as the sponsor; this was encouraged by Oliver North to divert attention from the true head: Richard Secord.

Hasenfus subsequently unsuccessfully sued Secord, Albert Hakim, Southern Air Transport and Corporate Air Services over issues relating to Hasenfus' capture and trial.[4] His lawyer in that case was current Miami District 2 Commissioner Marc D. Sarnoff.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. The G36 means even more trouble for von der Leyen.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jun 2015

A whistleblower supplied journalists with info about this scandal.
Von der Leyen said in parliament that the military counter-intelligence unit (MAD) did not look for the whistleblower.
And yet another whistleblower has revealed that MAD was actually involved.

Von der Leyen's excuse? She wasn't lying. The report was in her office but she had never read it before it was archived.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. "found to overheat and become inaccurate in a hot environment or when it is fired too much".
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jun 2015

So much for once vaunted German engineering.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. I don't know much about this issue, maybe it has something to do with caliber change (7.62 to 5.56)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jun 2015

The M4, same caliber and similar weight, has some problems too.

..

The soldiers said their weapons were meticulously cared for and routinely inspected by commanders. But still the weapons had breakdowns, especially when the rifles were on full automatic, which allows hundreds of bullets to be fired a minute.

The platoon-sized unit of U.S. soldiers and about two dozen Afghan troops was shooting back with such intensity the barrels on their weapons turned white hot. The high rate of fire appears to have put a number of weapons out of commission, even though the guns are tested and built to operate in extreme conditions.

Cpl. Jonathan Ayers and Spc. Chris McKaig were firing their M4s from a position the soldiers called the "Crow's Nest." The pair would pop up together from cover, fire half a dozen rounds and then drop back down.

On one of these trips up, Ayers was killed instantly by an enemy round. McKaig soon had problems with his M4, which carries a 30-round magazine.

"My weapon was overheating," McKaig said, according to Cubbison's report. "I had shot about 12 magazines by this point already and it had only been about a half hour or so into the fight. I couldn't charge my weapon and put another round in because it was too hot, so I got mad and threw my weapon down."

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/10/11/did-weapons-fail-us-troops-during-afghanistan-assault.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. I know nothing, really, I'm not a gun person.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jun 2015

However I do know that overheating is a basic issue with automatic weapons (and other guns too), always has been, and also not being able to use your weapon while it cools can get you killed pretty quick.

And why do terrorists and drug cartels like AKs? Is it the fancy performance, or the cheapness, durability, and maintainability they offer? And the ability to use big clips and blast away.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. No interest in copyright so a mass product, but quality is going down without quality control.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

The original is deemed reliable and durable.

The Soviet Union paid little attention to copyright laws, easily handing out arms production licenses to its satellites in eastern Europe and elsewhere. The Cold War-era production licenses have long-since expired, but production has continued.
http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2009/10/russia-to-defend-ak-47-assault-rifle-copyright



In 2009, the Bundeswehr boosted its operations in Afghanistan. Soldiers talked about their G36s overheating in Afghanistan’s hot summers. But there was no hard evidence of that happening.

This changed on Good Friday in 2010, during the most intensive skirmish involving German troops since World War II—a firefight that left three paratroopers dead. For 10 hours, the paratroopers fought off a Taliban ambush in the Char Darrah district, together firing 28,000 rounds.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/german-soldiers-dont-trust-their-battle-rifle-e1070a9a67dc

Maybe the Germans were even fighting against their own reliable predecessor model

The HK G3 rifle is a well designed robust 7.62mm NATO battle rifle once used by the German military. It has been popular in the export market, being adopted by the armed forces of over 40 countries. If you watch the evening news you will see that Mexico, Pakistan and Iran all still make the G3 under license. In western Afghanistan, Iranian made G3s and MP5s are common status symbols.

Read more: http://loadoutroom.com/1216/heckler-koch-g3-the-last-sturmgewehr/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. Yep.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

I remember reading back in the runup to the Afghan invasion that you could get an Ak made for you in Kabul for $125 (before the money rolled in).

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