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How to really save the Earth (Original Post) GliderGuider Feb 2016 OP
But that's evil and heartless and invading someone's private life, and and and and... Gregorian Feb 2016 #1
Wow! Hit the nail on the head. Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #2
I don't know... I saw "Children of Men" hunter Feb 2016 #3
An interesting situation to be in The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #4
That's a very good critique. GliderGuider Feb 2016 #5

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
1. But that's evil and heartless and invading someone's private life, and and and and...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

It's not often that when I read a subject line, I can predict the answer with 100% accuracy. I wonder how I knew.


The reality is, the kindest, most compassionate thing one could do is not have children. And yet the very mention of it is like treason. Thanks for posting. I predict the replies will be much kinder than the ones I received here ten years ago. We're slowly waking up.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
2. Wow! Hit the nail on the head.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

If everyone stopped reproducing, 100 years from now the Earth would be much better off.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
4. An interesting situation to be in
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Feb 2016

In the history of humanity, maybe at least since small bands of people were walking around, it's never been about fewer people. Every institution we have doesn't function with fewer people. Fewer taxpayers, fewer customers, the power of pooling the resources of more and more people diminished. It doesn't work. Which isn't an issue yet, because there's still more people.

Then there's the question of how many other species actually think of having fewer offspring because of some abstract idea or concept. I'd say few, if any. They have their offspring, some percentage dies for whatever, they adapt, and life goes on. Humans, we want the best of both worlds. We, or some of we, want there to be fewer people, but each person gets the resources they need. We want to take the dying part out.

However, we're not content with that being it. We want to grow and progress, as an end in and of itself. We want to do more than we're physically capable of doing, and I would say that is really the fundamental issue. That's what makes us do what we do. Our imaginations are unlimited, but we're trapped in limited bodies. The only way to extract ourselves from our physical limits is to do what we've been doing to the planet, because we think in an unlimited way. We don't accept that we can't do X. We find a way to do it. Yet, physical reality is limited, and that's why we can't do anything without there being a downside or cost to whatever we do.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. That's a very good critique.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

The perpetual drive to grow until outside limits intervene is the basic engine of evolution. It's seen across all life, but humans have a unique set of capabilities that has allowed us to grow bigger and faster than most other species. A brain capable of abstract problem-solving thought, a social nature that allows for enormous cooperative endeavors, and opposable thumbs. It's a gloriously deadly combination.

Too bad so sad that we didn't also develop the ability to collectively comprehend the impact that our growth was having on our environment, biosphere and planet - or the ability to collectively reverse our growth imperative.

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