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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 04:48 AM Sep 2015

World's infrastructure projects spell doom for Planet Earth

"More than 80 of the world's leading scientists, environmentalists, indigenous leaders, farmers, philanthropists and authors have signed a letter to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, current president of the G20 group of the world's major economies, saying that they are "deeply concerned" about the G20’s focus on mobilizing as much as $60-$70 trillion of investments in large infrastructure projects over the next 15 years.

"Trillions of dollars spent in pursuit of typical megaprojects in the energy, transportation, agriculture and water sectors could put in place infrastructure that eliminates wildlife habitat, destroys fisheries, undermines vital ecosystems and further destabilizes the Earth’s climate.

"From roads slicing up pristine wilderness and highways disrupting critical wildlife corridors to dams flooding rain forests, ruining freshwater biodiversity and forcing people to relocate, many mega-infrastructure projects have ultimately caused more harm than good."

http://www.alternet.org/environment/worlds-biggest-economies-have-devised-plan-spells-doom-planet-earth

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World's infrastructure projects spell doom for Planet Earth (Original Post) ellenrr Sep 2015 OP
Doesn't investment in renewables count? n/t eridani Sep 2015 #1
Not really. GliderGuider Sep 2015 #5
I'm curious customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #2
You're definitely curious ... Nihil Sep 2015 #7
Yes, let's flog the "YOU DRIVE A CAR!!! HYPOCRITE!!" dead horse one more time, shall we? hatrack Sep 2015 #8
Perhaps customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #10
We didn't need "infrastructure" for the first couple of hundred thousand years. GliderGuider Sep 2015 #11
I assume you posted your response customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #12
Yes, it's best to stick with the classics. /nt GliderGuider Sep 2015 #13
Earth is still our only home RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #3
Not for much longer, I'm afraid. nt GliderGuider Sep 2015 #4
Correctomundo. RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #6
Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism The2ndWheel Sep 2015 #9
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. Not really.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 08:06 AM
Sep 2015

The mining, habitat disruption, waste material - it all goes into the "devastation" column.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
7. You're definitely curious ...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 07:00 AM
Sep 2015

... and have won the "Pointless Redirection Attempt" award for this thread ...


hatrack

(59,593 posts)
8. Yes, let's flog the "YOU DRIVE A CAR!!! HYPOCRITE!!" dead horse one more time, shall we?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:08 AM
Sep 2015

Same old shit, again and again and again.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. Perhaps
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

you would consider "I've got mine, just try and get yours, suckers" as a dead horse, too?

Most people I know live in a house or apartment, served by infrastructure. Or, at least they want to. I assume the signers of this document already have something that they want to see no more of. Now that they've got theirs, of course.

I'm not saying that all infrastructure projects are univerally good. I certainly acknowledge that some can be poorly thought out. But on the other hand, if people who are experts at mitigating damage are called in, consulted, and listened to, infrastructure improvements can be done effectively, successfully, and in ways that do minimal, if any, harm to the environment.

Don't the people who need infrastucture deserve some consideration from the people who already have the benefit of progress?

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
11. We didn't need "infrastructure" for the first couple of hundred thousand years.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

Nobody actually "needs" infrastructure. All of it damages the planet; all of it separates human beings from nature and each other; all of it increases our level of alienation. What's the upside? Television and mercury amalgam fillings???

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. I assume you posted your response
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:20 PM
Sep 2015

from the computer in your cave.

And if you're talking about prehistoric humans, it was millions of years that they lived without infrastructure. And yes, they weren't separated from nature, it usually killed them by the time they were in their thirties. I don't want to live in that kind of world. I suspect that a majority of humanity feels exactly the same way.

You can advocate getting rid of it from your cave, if you're honest, or from your house or apartment if you don't mind being viewed as a hypocrite.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
6. Correctomundo.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

Especially if capitalism takes over the world, like it has been doing. Heck, even so called "communist" countries have capitalism. Even if it is State-run capitalism, it is capitalism, none the less. A system that is based on infinite profits with infinite resources. They do not seem to understand that there are finite resources on Planet Earth, and they are killing us all in the process.

Okay, I'm done ranting, but you get my point.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
9. Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:12 AM
Sep 2015

Call is capitalist, communist, whatever, it works the same way.

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