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Related: About this forumHawaii Becomes First State in The Nation to Ban Plastic Bags
In the past couple of years, cities and towns across the nation have started to ban plastic bags. Less than one percent of plastic bags are recycled, and it costs more to recycle a plastic bag that create a new one. Thats why Oahu, the most populated Hawaiian island, decided to join the other Hawaiian islands and officially ban plastic and other non-compostable bags from their stores. Beginning Wednesday, Hawaii will become the first state in the nation to ban plastic bags.
According to Mashable, the ban contains several important exemptions worth examining. Bags will still be allowed to wrap fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, and take-out home deliveries. Still, retailers caught violating the ban face heavy penalties: anywhere $100 to $1,000 dollars a day, per violation. The island is encouraging businesses to offer alternative bags, including reusable totes, 100% recyclable paper bags, and compostable plastic bags.
Over 100 billion plastic bags are handed out in the United States every year. Chicago just banned plastic bags, and California is considering a similar ban. It remains to be seen whether Hawaiis ban will trend nationwide, but either way, its a lovely blow to the highly profitable plastics industry, and a big step forward.
http://magazine.good.is/articles/hawaii-just-became-first-state-nation-ban-plastic-bags
MADem
(135,425 posts)They've been making biodegradable plastic bags for eons now....HI will just have to start using them.
http://biobagusa.com/products/retail-products/
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)But fruits and veggies are probably ok in cloth bags.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They break down over time, and faster in sunlight. They make a lot of them out of corn.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I look forward to seeing them though.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Of course, nothing is ever easy in this world--there are people still fighting over how compostable the compostable plastic is, and as to the efficacy of the biodegradable stuff. But even at that, it's a start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodegradable_plastic
roody
(10,849 posts)My county has done so.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)But we've banded all bags
with the same exceptions.
What this means for me is I now have to buy plastic bags to put my recycling in rather than using the paper grocery bags. I'm not sure we've gained anything as far as the invironment goes.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)just dump the items straight into the bin
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)My pickup guys dumped the small bins in favor of large cans with little bitty wheels. I have to haul my trash and recycling and green waste 3/10 of a mile down my driveway to dump in the large cans. Green garbage and small yard waste goes in my compost heap. I could buy some kind of small bin to transport the recycling, but the trash really needs to be contained or it will end up all over the street.
I suppose this bag business is making some dent in the problem, but I'm not sure. Especially when veggies and meat still come in plastic bags. It will be a few years before we see any kind of result.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Just for recycleables - every house has their own.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Brown, blue, green, but the auto loader on the truck isn't too accurate. Loose papers end up all over the street.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)I have never seen any debris from them, even when neighbors stuff them to overflowing.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)mopinko
(70,118 posts)they banned those flimsy little bags. but they allow tougher "re-usable" plastic bags.
and since there was no requirement to either charge for the tougher bags or give incentives for re-use, should be a big fat goose egg all in all. i suspect a lot of folks wont even notice.
aside from what to use for the dog poop, it will be all the same here.
packman
(16,296 posts)Lived in a small town that had a butcher shop until the A&P opened. Johnny, the butcher, would wrap the meat in wax paper , then tear off a piece of white butcher paper and neatly tie the whole thing up with butcher twine.
Even when that shop closed, the ONLY bags you ever had a choice on was the brown paper bag which had , it seems, a million uses around the house.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)I have no idea where that money goes.
central scrutinizer
(11,650 posts)And if you needed a paper bag, it would cost you a nickel. The outraged letters to the editor showed a level of stupidity rarely achieved. "The jack-booted thugs of political correctness strike at our basic freedoms again!" or some such shit. People said they were going to go to another town to shop rather than submit to such tyranny.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and still does in better shops. Why must meat be in plastic?
Laxman
(2,419 posts)and a win for the environment. ALEC & the American Chemistry Council have put an awful lot of time and effort into fighting bans on plastic bags.
Right. Then there was their specious misinformation campaign that cloth bags were actually a health hazard and plastic bags were therefore better. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2196481 (reusable bags can lead to increased ER visits and even a spike in deaths! Oh My!)
It's always a good day when ALEC loses.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)mahina
(17,663 posts)now, still plastic. Walmart is giving away heavier bags and so is Times.
Lots of retailers moved to paper bags, but even those aren't available from the usual sources for the regular prices.
This affects all retailers, not just grocery and drug stores. It's really good in motivation and concept but will need a fair amount of tweaking asap.
Unintended consequences. The loophole was written in by lobbyists of course.
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