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The Drumbeat of Doom™ seems to have gotten much louder over the last two days! (Original Post) GliderGuider Jan 2015 OP
Referring to the CommonDreams article on neoliberal capitalism GliderGuider Jan 2015 #1
Capitalism AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #7
Capitalism merely seeks to maximize the efficiency of production LouisvilleDem Jan 2015 #13
It's too late so why do anything! rickford66 Jan 2015 #2
It's never too late to do something n2doc Jan 2015 #4
I'm "hoping" the same greed cilla4progress Jan 2015 #3
I feel the same way Politicalboi Jan 2015 #5
I know how you feel. I AM a "tree-hugger." calimary Jan 2015 #6
Oh man, we are on the same page! cilla4progress Jan 2015 #10
Not if you have your head in the sand. zeemike Jan 2015 #8
Unfortunately half of the literate population is too busy watching jimlup Jan 2015 #9
def cilla4progress Jan 2015 #11
To be fair, that's really 3 stories, primarily drawn from 2 studies OKIsItJustMe Jan 2015 #12
But each exposure is to a different audience. GliderGuider Jan 2015 #14
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
1. Referring to the CommonDreams article on neoliberal capitalism
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jan 2015

The sub-head reads, "Pair of new studies show how various forms of human activity, driven by a flawed economic system and vast consumption, is laying waste to Earth's natural systems."

To wax teleological for a moment, whether we view capitalism as flawed depends on how we understand its goals - if an emergent complex system can indeed be said to have "goals". IMO "we the people" view capitalism as flawed because we have different goals that are not being met by the system. But the system seems to be doing just fine at meeting its own primary goal - which as far as I can figure out is to maximize its own growth through the conversion of raw materials into products and garbage, and the conversion of energy into work and waste heat. IOW, the system's primary, over-riding goal is to maximize its own growth.

Perhaps we view it as flawed because we mistake the system for ourselves? It's not - it has its own existence, its own nature and its own goals. We are part of it, but only part of it. Its primary fealty is to its holistic "self" - as is the case for all complex systems.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. Capitalism
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jan 2015

...does not come with an 'off switch'. It is sort of like a mafia, once it starts up, it takes on a life of it's own and cannot easily be shut down.

Capitalism can only survive with an infinite supply of resources, which does not exist. The real question is what will replace Capitalism...

LouisvilleDem

(303 posts)
13. Capitalism merely seeks to maximize the efficiency of production
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jan 2015

And that in and of itself is not a bad thing.

In a free and transparent market with healthy competition, the producers which provide goods and services most efficiently will be able to offer the lowest price and therefore 'win'. What goods and services the system produces depends entirely on what the people that make up the market want. If the vast majority of people wanted environmentally conscientious products rather than the cheapest shit they can find, then that is what the system would produce. IOW, don't blame the system, blame the people.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. It's never too late to do something
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jan 2015

The problem is actually doing something. Lots of pressure to just go along and keep on keeping on….

cilla4progress

(24,783 posts)
3. I'm "hoping" the same greed
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jan 2015

and technology that is taking us down will save our sorry asses. At least save the animals and nature. People, meh ...

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. I feel the same way
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jan 2015

I feel more for innocent animals and nature than anything else. We had our chance, and blew it 40 years ago. And they still laugh at tree huggers.

calimary

(81,527 posts)
6. I know how you feel. I AM a "tree-hugger."
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jan 2015

I feel more for the animals and trees and wilderness areas than I do for humanity - that seems hellbent on fouling the nest to extinction-level extremes. And the mentality of the "when the last tree is felled, Jesus will come back!" lame-brains. Like ronald reagan's lovely interior secretary, james watt. He actually said that in testimony before some committee on Capitol Hill back then. I was watching. My jaw dropped to the floor. I remember thinking, in horror, "and THIS is ronald reagan's idea of a 'worthy' Secretary of the Interior."

cilla4progress

(24,783 posts)
10. Oh man, we are on the same page!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jan 2015

Don't they call this the "anthropocene"? And isn't it the end?

Like cockraches, we are!


"The Anthropocene is an informal geologic chronological term for the proposed epoch that began when human activities had a significant global impact on the Earth's ecosystems."

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
9. Unfortunately half of the literate population is too busy watching
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jan 2015

"Dancing with the Stars" or "The Bachelorette" to notice.

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