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http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/57295/doomsday-trigger-for-megadroughtDoomsday Trigger for Megadrought?
by Thom Hartmann | August 1, 2014 - 9:21am
One of the worst North American droughts in history could be getting a whole lot worse.
According to the latest U.S. Drought Monitor Map released on Tuesday, more than 58 percent of California is in an "exceptional drought" stage. That's up a staggering 22 percent from last week's report.
And, in its latest drought report released earlier today, the National Drought Mitigation Center warned that "bone-dry" conditions are overtaking much of the Golden State, and noted that, overall, California is "short more than one year's worth of reservoir water, or 11.6 million acre-feet, for this time of year."
All across California, streams are drying up, crops are dying off, and local communities are struggling to maintain access to water, thanks to three years of persistent drought conditions.
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Perhaps it's time we should think about building some desalinization plants. Australia built one in 2010 for around $2.5 billion dollars --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurnell_Desalination_Plant .
Where would the money come from?
That big blue slice o pie.
Obviously we are going to need to downsize our military, and projects like this would provide very good job opportunities. Another win win situation.
CanonRay
(14,112 posts)So with the Veterans benefits, the Military is 63% of our budget. Ridiculous. Our infrastructure and society is getting too crappy to be worth protecting, especially with that price tag.
Danascot
(4,694 posts)Sending our children to die in pointless wars?
or destroying our beautiful world?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Beyond that, I don't think I understand the question.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Fix that first.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Not all ag is the same, and perhaps one might think a bit about what sorts of ag are appropriate for a low water environment. Or one can just lowbrow it with mindless snark.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Shooting and poisoning the local wildlife. Used to have a lot of wildlife around here before they moved in. To top it all off they drain huge amounts of water for tasty drinks for the 1% and the sycophants who wish to emulate them.
They illegally pump water from streams to irrigate and protect the grapes from frost because if they do get caught, the fine they have to pay is lower than it would cost them to purchase the water legally.
Nobody who cares about California, about Redwoods & Sequoia, about wild life and animals and hospitable ecosystems, consumes it. Only those too ignorant to be bothered or too jaded to care.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Went through there last month, I swear they have put vines on every available hill slope.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Californians as a whole have failed to conserve water during the worst drought in a generation, according to data reviewed by the board at its meeting Tuesday in Sacramento.
Residential and business water use in California rose 1 percent in May compared to a three-year average of the same month from 2011 to 2013, according to a recent survey of 276 water agencies. Those agencies represent about two-thirds of all urban water users in the state.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/15/6558982/california-used-more-water-in.html#storylink=cpy
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Mean while the basics like food, water and health care go to hell. You can live without food for a month but you can't live without water for a week. g0d bless ammeddicca
jwirr
(39,215 posts)could con them into letting the Corps of Engineers build it they would have to use military money and in the end it would be government owned.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)malthaussen
(17,216 posts)I liked the article that popped up on DU recently about the town that couldn't draw water from their own spring. It is amazing what we let those people get away with.
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)will be a major threat to national security. it was pretty much ignored because, you know, there is no global climate change because it snowed someplace last winter!
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)But how hard could it be to set up 2 or 3 desalinization plats along the coast? Then you'd have an unlimited supply of water, I would think.
bananas
(27,509 posts)There have been many proposals for decades, but almost all were abandoned because the water from them is so expensive, efficiency and conservation have been much more cost-effective.
2 or 3 plants wouldn't give you anywhere near an "unlimited" supply of water, they'd be a drop in the bucket compared to how much water is used.
There's a desal plant being built in Carlsbad, it'll supply about 7% of San Diego's drinking water. So you'd need about 14 plants to fully provide just San Diego with drinking water. To provide the whole west coast would require hundreds of plants.
They suck in ocean water, killing marine life. And where does the salt go? A lot of it goes back into the ocean, making the water extremely salty, harming marine life.
It takes a lot of energy to run these plants. Solar and wind would be ideal, but often they are powered by thermal plants - coal, gas, or fission. Thermal plants suck in ocean water, killing marine life, and release hot water into the ocean, harming marine life.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Thanks!
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)You could kill two birds with one stone by selling the Sea Salt to yuppies instead of putting it back into the ocean. At least until the fad is over, anyway. And you could use the money from selling all that overpriced trendy salt to run the plant. Win/win.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)We need to end water waste, required grey water systems, zero smart landscaping.
Desal plants will give developers excuses to keep building, especially along the coast.
I'm all for using the defense budget for water efficiency upgrades, however.
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Direct human consumption of water is small potatoes; the real water needs come from manufacturing and agriculture and dwarf what few million people drinking/flushing/washing in an average year use.
And without water for manufacturing and agriculture, California can kiss most of it's economy goodbye.
Without a strong economy, the populace of the state just moves (well, those that can afford to).
Frankly, if the drought that California is currently experiencing turns out to be a sign of the future and not just a one-off event, the money would be better spent in planning for a state that has fewer people overall, and assisting people and industries who want to in migrating to new areas of the country or even just more water-stable parts of the state.