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adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:29 PM Apr 2014

'Straight from the Horse's Mouth': Former Oil Exec Says Fracking Not Safe...

Retired Mobil VP confirms technology is dangerous and untested
- Lauren McCauley, staff writer

"In a message "straight from the horse's mouth," a former oil executive on Tuesday urged New York state to pass a ban on the controversial practice of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, saying, 'it is not safe.'

"Making fracking safe is simply not possible, not with the current technology, or with the inadequate regulations being proposed," Louis Allstadt, former executive vice president of Mobil Oil, said during a news conference in Albany called by the anti-fracking group Elected Officials to Protect New York.

Up until his retirement in 2000, Allstadt spent 31 years at Mobil, running its marketing and refining division in Japan and managing Mobil's worldwide supply, trading and transportation operations. After retiring to Cooperstown, NY, Allstadt said he began studying fracking after friends asked him if he thought it would be safe to have gas wells drilled by nearby Lake Otsego, where Allstadt has a home. Since that time, he's become a vocal opponent of the shale oil and gas drilling technique.
"Now the industry will tell you that fracking has been around a long time. While that is true, the magnitude of the modern technique is very new," Allstadt said, adding that a fracked well can require 50 to 100 times the water and chemicals compared to non-fracked wells.

He also noted that methane, up to 30 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, is found to be leaking from fracked wells "at far greater rates than were previously estimated."

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http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/04/23-1

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'Straight from the Horse's Mouth': Former Oil Exec Says Fracking Not Safe... (Original Post) adirondacker Apr 2014 OP
It's not safe, and they cannot make it safe Champion Jack Apr 2014 #1
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #2
ditto !! Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #3
I wish I could take credit, but the grassroots org in NY are absolutley AWESOME in fighting this. adirondacker Apr 2014 #4
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #6
Is that the best username DocMac Apr 2014 #7
Let me guess marions ghost Apr 2014 #8
Exactly what I'm thinking mainer Apr 2014 #15
Back to the ostrich ranch marions ghost Apr 2014 #18
Hmmmm They_Live Apr 2014 #9
I don't believe you know what you are talking about. bvar22 Apr 2014 #10
interesting marions ghost Apr 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #12
GWB had to lean on the EPA to get a nice exemption for the polluters. Cuz Freedumb! And Jeezus! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #11
!!!!! this. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #13
It's interesting how the executives don't want TBF Apr 2014 #14
They can afford to buy the government permitting agencies erronis Apr 2014 #16
I wrote a paper in college that dealt with an experience earlier on with the NIMBYs and adirondacker Apr 2014 #23
I have lived in the middle of Fracking. white cloud Apr 2014 #19
Not surprising at all. nt TBF Apr 2014 #20
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #21
Beverly Hills Becomes First City in California to Pass Fracking Ban proverbialwisdom Apr 2014 #22

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
4. I wish I could take credit, but the grassroots org in NY are absolutley AWESOME in fighting this.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 12:21 AM
Apr 2014

Last edited Thu Apr 24, 2014, 12:55 PM - Edit history (1)

I have a job that restricts my ability to be more proactive, but I do receive their newsletters and keep informed.

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. I don't believe you know what you are talking about.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:37 PM
Apr 2014

I also spent many years in the Oil Patch,
and also drilled in the Permian Basin.
The Fracking we did for years was very local,
and limited to Oil Sand Pay Zones.

The "fracking" they are doing today are up to 100 times more expansive,
including shallow horizontal wells,
and shale zones which we used to consider impermeable.




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TBF

(32,067 posts)
14. It's interesting how the executives don't want
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:34 PM
Apr 2014

fracking anywhere near where they live. That should tell us something.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
16. They can afford to buy the government permitting agencies
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:58 PM
Apr 2014

Us 99.9% just have to put up with what the 0.1% want to shove at us.

Thanks for putting this out there, Adirondacker. We're (Vermonters) being hit with a eminent domain example of how to move natural gas from Canada, through the the Green Mountains, to benefit the NYC cancerous growth.

Another example of the voice of democracy lost to the siren of money.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
23. I wrote a paper in college that dealt with an experience earlier on with the NIMBYs and
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:34 PM
Apr 2014

path of least resistance. It pertained to a landfill/incinerator site. They ended up erecting it 40 miles away from where the main source of trash came from, 1 mile away from a trophy trout stream, in the middle of an impoverished township. Outta site/outta mind.

Best wishes to my Green Mountain neighbors and hope like hell you can organize enough resistance.

white cloud

(2,567 posts)
19. I have lived in the middle of Fracking.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:31 PM
Apr 2014

Ray Tillerson CEO of Exxon Mobil has tried to stop a water tower next to his 90 acre horse ranch in Denton county because he does not want the truck traffic and noise NIMBY caused by Fracking water truck. The tower was going up because of the need for Frack water truck filling point.

Exxonon Mobil also has real Estatet diversification with million dollar mansion in South Lake TX called Timbarron. City permitteded 3 frack pads and 2 pads were put down before Exxonon Mobil stopped them because they did not want a water pipeline and gas/oil pipe line laid NIMBY so oil could get from pads to main gas line. It would have been about 2 mile of pipeline in front of their developmentnt. Tillerson used to live here with a bunch of EMobil top admin. Lot of residence are Oil Gas industry wheels.

The driller move over to next town and there was a fit about all Fracking noise etc. They drilled 7 wells on one pad, Frack some of them and capped them off. They could not get enough water to frack (in heavy residence area) and they do not have a permit to lay pipeline for gas and oil. To many people protesting pipeline NIMBY. So the site is Chain linked and Locke up best I know.
They are going to have to grease some big wheel to get this over if ever

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
22. Beverly Hills Becomes First City in California to Pass Fracking Ban
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:30 PM
Apr 2014

Seen yesterday on Twitter:

http://ecowatch.com/2014/04/24/beverly-hills-pass-fracking-ban/

Beverly Hills Becomes First City in California to Pass Fracking Ban

Food & Water Watch | April 24, 2014 10:44 am |


On Tuesday night, Beverly Hills became the first city in California to pass a ban on fracking and related extreme well stimulation techniques with a unanimous vote. The ordinance not only would make it unlawful to use hydraulic fracturing, acidizing or any other well stimulation technique from any surface area in the city—it also prohibits these activities from any site outside city limits that would drill and extract oil and gas underneath the city. The ordinance will now return to the Beverly Hills City Council for its final reading at an upcoming formal meeting where a second vote will put the law into effect.

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“I do believe in local control, and we are exerting our power as a city to say fracking is not a compatible land use in Beverly Hills,” said Councilmember John Mirsch. “But this issue goes beyond that. This is not a ‘not in my backyard issue’—it should not be in anyone’s back yard. And we also need to think long-term, even if our city is not a center of drilling—injecting millions of gallons of water and chemicals at high pressure into the earth can’t be good. Asbestos and smoking was once also considered safe. Fracking is not worth the risk.”

All four councilmembers in attendance voted in favor of the ban including Mayor Lili Bosse, Vice Mayor Julian A. Gold M.D., Councilmember John A. Mirsch and Councilmember William W. Brien M.D.

“We congratulate the Beverly Hills City Council for passing a ban on fracking and related toxic extraction techniques. Given its proximity to oil and gas activity, it makes sense for Beverly Hills to join the growing number of cities and counties that have acted to protect their residents from severe health, safety and environmental impacts,” said Brenna Norton, Southern California organizer of Food & Water Watch. “We look forward to seeing this ordinance take effect and setting a positive example for other communities and Gov. Brown, who should immediately enact a statewide moratorium to protect all Californians.”

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