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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:17 PM Dec 2013

Solar at 2c/kWh? Not a matter of if, but when – and by whom

Solar at 2c/kWh? Not a matter of if, but when – and by whom

By Giles Parkinson on 29 November 2013

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...the challenge is more about financing manufacturing facilities at that scale, rather than the emergence of any particular technology. He says the industry is destined for higher efficiencies and lower production costs, and higher degrees of automation as a matter of course.

...The challenge, he says, is to install modern equipment at the scale needed to ensure that solar manufacturing companies are profitable at module prices below 50c/Watt. “I like to call this savings at scale, the X gigawatt factory,” Weber said. “That X could be any number, from 1GW to 5GW, or more, but let’s start at 1GW.

“You need to have a certain vision right now, because the industry is not making a lot of money. The 40GW market will soon become a 100GW market, and then a 300GW market.

“If, in 2050, when solar electricity might cost us 2c-3c/kWh, when it is the least expensive way of electricity, it would need total installed capacity of 10,000GW of solar PV to meet just 10 per cent of the world’s demand. Today we have just 100GW.

“We need to get to annual production of 300GW very soon....

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/solar-2ckwh-matter-70307
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Solar at 2c/kWh? Not a matter of if, but when – and by whom (Original Post) kristopher Dec 2013 OP
Dream on - $5 to $8 per Watt installed cost FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #1
Maybe you should change your handle to Rip van Winkle... kristopher Dec 2013 #2
Perhaps you should provide links other then BS FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #3
So DOE's record of statistics is "bullshit"? kristopher Dec 2013 #4
Link for some thing other then Bullshit speculation please FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #10
It might be a holiday!!! PamW Dec 2013 #5
Oh goody, another "by 2050" article NickB79 Dec 2013 #6
Oh goody, another nuclear fan trying to play down solar. kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Pointing out horrific overshoot isn't downplaying solar NickB79 Dec 2013 #8
Are you denying the years you've spent here helping promote nuclear? kristopher Dec 2013 #9

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. Maybe you should change your handle to Rip van Winkle...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
Dec 2013

You'll note that the OP is from Australia quoting a leading German researcher. The article below is near term, the OP is by 2050.

Government press release, no copyright issues:

Berkeley, CA — The installed price of solar photovoltaic (PV) power systems in the United States fell substantially in 2012 and through the first half of 2013, according to the latest edition of Tracking the Sun, an annual PV cost tracking report produced by the Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab).

Installed prices for PV systems in 2012 fell by a range of roughly $0.30 per Watt (W) to $0.90/W, or 6 to 14 percent, from the prior year, depending on the size of the system. “This marks the third year in a row of significant price reductions for PV systems in the U.S.,” explains Galen Barbose of Berkeley Lab’s Environmental Energy Technologies Division, one of the report’s co-authors. Within the first six months of 2013, PV system prices in California fell by an additional 10 to 15 percent, and the report suggests that PV system price reductions in 2013 are on pace to match or exceed those seen in recent years.

The report indicates that the median installed price of PV systems completed in 2012 was $5.30/W for residential and small commercial systems smaller than 10 kilowatts (kW) in size and was $4.60/W for commercial systems of 100 kW or more in size. Utility-scale systems installed in 2012 registered even lower prices, with prices for systems larger than 10,000 kW generally ranging from $2.50/W to $4.00/W. The report also highlights the wide variability in PV system pricing, detailing the installed price differences that exist across states and across various types of PV applications and system configurations.

The market for solar PV systems in the United States has grown rapidly over the past decade. This sixth edition in Berkeley Lab’s Tracking the Sun report series describes historical trends in the installed price of PV in the United States. The report is based on data from more than 200,000 residential, commercial, and utility-scale PV systems installed between 1998 and 2012 across 29 states, representing roughly 72 percent of all grid-connected PV capacity installed in the United States. The study is intended to provide policy makers and industry observers with a reliable and detailed set of historical benchmarks for tracking and understanding past trends in the installed price of PV.

Recent PV System Price Reductions Driven by Falling Hardware Costs, While “Soft” Costs Persist

According to the report, recent installed price reductions for PV systems are primarily attributable to steep reductions in the price of PV modules. From 2008 to 2012, annual average module prices on the global market fell by $2.60/W, representing about 80 percent of the total decline in PV system prices over that period.

Non-module costs—such as inverters, mounting hardware, and the various non-hardware or “soft” costs—have also fallen over the longterm but have remained relatively flat in recent years. As a result, they now represent a sizable fraction of the total installed price of PV systems. This shift in the cost structure of PV systems has heightened the emphasis within the industry and among policymakers on reducing non-module costs.

The report specifically highlights soft costs—which include such things as marketing and customer acquisition, system design, installation labor, and the various costs associated with permitting and inspections—as the most promising target for further PV system price reductions. “Soft costs are especially important from the perspective of public policy efforts,” Barbose notes. “Unlike module prices, which are established based on global supply and demand, soft costs can be influenced more directly by local, state and national policies aimed at accelerating deployment and removing market barriers.”

Adds co-author Ryan Wiser, also of Berkeley Lab: “There simply are limits to how much further module prices can fall, and so it stands to reason that continued reductions in PV system prices will need to come primarily from the soft cost side.”

PV System Prices in the United States Higher than in Other Major Markets

The report compares PV system pricing in the United States to a number of other major international markets, and finds that U.S. prices are generally higher. The differences are particularly stark in comparison to Germany, Italy and Australia, where the price of small residential PV systems installed in 2012 was roughly 40 percent lower than in the United States.

The report attributes much of the difference in PV system pricing to soft costs, citing the fact that the cost of PV modules and other hardware is typically similar across countries. “These international experiences suggest that deep near-term reductions in soft costs are attainable in the United States,” says report co-author, Naïm Darghouth, also with Berkeley Lab. He adds: “Reductions in soft costs may naturally accompany growth in market size, as we’ve seen in some of the largest markets such as Germany and Italy, though other factors are also clearly important.”

Price Declines for PV System Owners in 2012 Offset by Falling Incentives

Rebates and other forms of cash incentives for residential and commercial PV systems are offered by state agencies and utilities in many regions. These incentives have declined significantly over time, falling by roughly 85 percent over the past decade. Within the span of just 2011 to 2012, median cash incentives from state and utility programs fell by $0.40/W to $0.60/W, depending on PV system size.

States and utilities have reduced incentives both in response to, and to encourage further, installed price declines. Cash incentives provided through state and utility programs have also fallen over time as other sources of financial support for PV projects—most notably, increases in federal tax incentives and the emergence of solar renewable energy certificate (or SREC) markets in a number of states—have become more widely available or lucrative.

Wide Variability in PV System Pricing Observed

The study also highlights the significant variability in PV system pricing. For example, among PV systems less than 10 kW in size and completed in 2012, 20 percent of systems had an installed price less than $4.50/W while another 20 percent were priced above $6.50/W.

This variability is partly associated with differences in pricing across states, where the median installed price of PV systems less than 10 kW ranged from $3.90/W to $5.90/W in 2012. The report points to an array of potential underlying drivers for these cross-state pricing differences, including market size, the size of incentives available and level of competition among installers, labor costs, customer characteristics, administrative and regulatory compliance costs and sales tax exemptions for PV.

The report also examines the variation in PV system pricing across various types of applications and technologies, including: systems with microinverters vs. central inverters, systems with Chinese vs. non-Chinese modules, systems with varying module efficiencies, residential new construction vs. residential retrofit, building-integrated vs. rack-mounted systems, rooftop vs. ground-mounted systems, and tracking vs. fixed-tilt systems.

The report, Tracking the Sun VI: An Historical Summary of the Installed Price of Photovoltaics in the United States from 1998 to 2012, by Galen Barbose, Naïm Darghouth, Samantha Weaver and Ryan Wiser, may be downloaded here.

A webinar presentation of key findings from the report will be conducted on Friday, August 16 at 11:00 am PDT. Register for the webinar here.

The research was supported by funding from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Solar Energy Technologies Office of the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.



 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
3. Perhaps you should provide links other then BS
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:10 PM
Dec 2013

Can't buy the hardware for less then $2.50 a Watt and that doen't include Additional hardware needed to connect it to the grid

Provide a link for advertised price and Not BULLSHIT speculation

PamW

(1,825 posts)
5. It might be a holiday!!!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:47 PM
Dec 2013

It might be a holiday!

It might be "National Proof by Assertion Day".

It's a holiday where normal academic and scholarly norms are eschewed in favor of "proof by assertion".

One doesn't need to have data, nor references, nor citations.

One doesn't have to provide a logical, reasoned path to knowledge.

No - on "National Proof by Assertion Day"; all one has to do is assert any claim, no matter how bogus.

The readers are expected to throw away their critical thinking skills; and in an expression of complete gullibility; lap up ever pearl of "wisdom" without question.

PamW

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
6. Oh goody, another "by 2050" article
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:30 PM
Dec 2013

We'll be chin-deep in the shit of global ecological overshoot and economic collapse by then, but I'm sure the solar panel companies will have no problem pumping out product as society comes apart around us

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Oh goody, another nuclear fan trying to play down solar.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:00 PM
Dec 2013
US third largest market as solar project pipeline passes 43GW

... “The increase in new solar PV projects being planned or under construction is driving double-digit annual growth forecasts for PV adoption within the United States. Large-scale PV projects exceeding 20MW continue to dominate the pipeline in terms of installed capacity, stimulated by state-based renewable portfolio mandates. Projects of all sizes have become increasingly viable, due to declines in solar PV system pricing in the past year.”

Not surprisingly, mega-scale PV projects above 100MW have recently dominated the utility-scale market in the US. According to the market research firm the 10 largest PV projects currently account for over 5GW of expected new capacity coming online over the next three years, dominated by a select few leading PVEPs (photovoltaic energy providers), such as First Solar and SunPower.

However, the trend away from mega-scale projects to those under 30MW was also increasing. NPD Solarbuzz noted that over the last 12-months the number of smaller projects had increased by 33% to more than 2,100 projects...


http://www.pv-tech.org/news/us_third_largest_market_as_solar_project_pipeline_passes_43gw_says_npd_sola

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
8. Pointing out horrific overshoot isn't downplaying solar
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:23 PM
Dec 2013

But that's your MO: pretend that all will be fine with the world, just as soon as we get cheap solar up and running. Ignore the centuries of ecological and economic destruction we've left in our wake, and the inertia it carries behind it. But that makes sense considering your worldview: we can't get solar panels as cheaply as your predictions suggest unless we continue with a more and more globalized, consumption-based economy that was itself the root cause of the crisis we find ourselves in today. The wonderfully cheap solar panels we see today have only been made possible due to the shit conditions present in places like China.

And?

another nuclear fan
Charge, Don!

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. Are you denying the years you've spent here helping promote nuclear?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:09 PM
Dec 2013
But that's your MO: pretend that all will be fine with the world, just as soon as we get cheap solar up and running. Ignore the centuries of ecological and economic destruction we've left in our wake, and the inertia it carries behind it. But that makes sense considering your worldview: we can't get solar panels as cheaply as your predictions suggest unless we continue with a more and more globalized, consumption-based economy that was itself the root cause of the crisis we find ourselves in today. The wonderfully cheap solar panels we see today have only been made possible due to the shit conditions present in places like China.


"But that's your MO: pretend that all will be fine with the world, just as soon as we get cheap solar up and running."

Never said or implied any such thing. I've said we are in a race against time and we haven't the time or resources to be screwing around placating the right wing love of centralized power. Renewables are the fastest, safest, most sustainable and least expensive way to get away from carbon.
And you are one of those who blindly tries to slam renewables at every opportunity in order to help promote nuclear.


Ignore the centuries of ecological and economic destruction we've left in our wake, and the inertia it carries behind it. ... we continue with a more and more globalized, consumption-based economy that was itself the root cause of the crisis we find ourselves in today.

Again, that is a part of the social structure built on centralized thermal energy that nuclear is a part of. Renewable energy in a distributed system is a strong tool to change the nature of our culture since it destroys the power base created by our present centralized fossil/nuclear system. If your political view and goals were actually as you state, you would not be acting as you are unless you had spent the past 30 years in a closet.

The wonderfully cheap solar panels we see today have only been made possible due to the shit conditions present in places like China.
Another false right wing meme trying to use China as a wedge.
Cheaper Chinese Solar Panels Are Not Due to Low-Cost Labor

Sep. 5, 2013 — A study of the photovoltaic industries in the US and China shows that China's dominance in solar panel manufacturing is not driven solely by cheaper labour and government support, but by larger-scale manufacturing and resulting supply-chain benefits.

But the researchers say a balance could be achieved through future innovations in crystalline solar cell technology, which have the potential to equalise prices by enhancing access to materials and expanding manufacturing scale across all regions.

The study is published today in the Royal Society of Chemistry journal Energy & Environmental Science.
Researchers at the US Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) developed a bottom-up cost model to examine the underlying causes for the shift in the global manufacturing base of photovoltaics from the US and Europe to China.
To carry out their economic analysis,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130905085911.htm

In short, it is clear your skepticism is based on many faulty beliefs.
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