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hatrack

(59,587 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:00 AM Nov 2013

Leipzig Boys Choir Data Show Puberty Advancing 2.5 Months/Decade Since mid-1700s

But maintaining Bach’s legacy has become more difficult. The problem is with the sopranos. At St. Thomas, as in all boys choirs, the oldest of those singers with unbroken voices are the most prized. Like flowers that are most beautiful just before they die, these boys have the most power, stamina and technique. There are scholars who say that in Bach’s day, some boys’ voices didn’t change until as late as 17. Now boys’ voices are changing earlier, a lot earlier. Medical records tracking puberty through history do not exist, but Joshua Goldstein, chairman of the demography department at the University of California, Berkeley, has analyzed mortality patterns among boys, which can show increased risk-taking and, by extension, the onset of puberty. His research suggests that the age of puberty for boys has dropped, on average, 2.5 months a decade since the mid-1700s. That would mean that boys are sopranos for a shorter time. To maintain a well-stocked soprano section, St. Thomas needs to start with and train more boys. To house growing numbers of recruits, the choir has built a new, larger glass-and-steel-frame alumnat.

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“Now we have the possibility of a young boy sounding like Joe Cocker,” Michael Fuchs, an ear, nose and throat specialist and the voice doctor of the choir, told me. “We can have an early adult voice without an adult personality. He sounds like his father when he’s still a boy.”

Fuchs’s own voice broke in 1983, when he was a Thomaner, age 13. He liked the voice doctor of the choir then and decided to follow his career path. Now trim, goateed, in good shoes and fashionable eyeglasses, he’s among the world’s experts on the timing of voice break. Certainly nobody cares more. “We have a problem in the choir,” Fuchs said, when we met in his office at Leipzig University hospital, echoing concerns I heard time and again. “The balance is shifting. We have more men’s voices and fewer boys’ voices.” The obvious solution — starting boys in the choir at 8 instead of 9 — does not work. The choir tried, and the 8-year-olds couldn’t handle life in the alumnat, learning all the pieces and attending all the rehearsals. So the plan now is to squeeze every day out of the soprano voices. “We try to let the boys sing as long as possible without risking overloading the boys and damaging the voice,” Fuchs said. Many of the Thomaners hold Fuchs in mystical esteem, claiming he can predict to the day when their voices will break. “Of course not the day,” Fuchs demurred, “but maybe two, three weeks.”

In the years before the boys hit puberty, Fuchs saw them every three months to record growth, hormone levels and voice. He played for me recordings of one boy speaking and singing the same passage of a choral piece every year from age 11 to 14. Even to my untrained ear, the differences over time sounded stark, the boy’s voice becoming richer and fuller until the day it shattered. Mining data from the recordings, Fuchs constructs scatter plots showing changes over time in jitter (variation in pitch), shimmer (variation in loudness), noise component (breathiness) and range. All this data provides context so that he can distinguish what is causing flaws in a boy’s voice. “Is it a cold? A problem of singing technique? Voice break can sound like laryngitis.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/magazine/where-have-all-the-sopranos-gone.html?ref=magazine

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Leipzig Boys Choir Data Show Puberty Advancing 2.5 Months/Decade Since mid-1700s (Original Post) hatrack Nov 2013 OP
They could, um, I don't know, teenagebambam Nov 2013 #1
Co-Ed choirs would be cool but Tien1985 Nov 2013 #3
exactly! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4
It works out okay teenagebambam Nov 2013 #6
Better nutrition Demeter Nov 2013 #2
A very real possibility, and I'd like breakdowns . . . hatrack Nov 2013 #8
this is fascinating to me gopiscrap Nov 2013 #5
That would be over 5 years' difference since the mid 1700s muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #7
Better nutrition alone will do that Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #9

Tien1985

(920 posts)
3. Co-Ed choirs would be cool but
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:22 AM
Nov 2013

Boys' and girls' voices aren't the same and if they are looking for a particular sound, they aren't going to get it by admitting girls. Also, girls hit puberty even sooner, and their voices also change, if less obviously. A women's soprano is not that of a boy's.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
6. It works out okay
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:19 PM
Nov 2013

At Washington National Cathedral, which has a standard model Anglican "boys" choir, except that they include girls.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
2. Better nutrition
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:10 AM
Nov 2013

means healthier, more robust and faster development.

Better public health means longer lives.


A girl soprano wouldn't have the same vocal quality, unfortunately.

I'd recommend converting to all girls choirs....but that's prejudice speaking.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
8. A very real possibility, and I'd like breakdowns . . .
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:47 PM
Nov 2013

Say, the past 50 years vs. the prior 50 years, which would be a good comparison point for POPs and other environmental "additives".

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
5. this is fascinating to me
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:38 AM
Nov 2013

I sang for the Vatican as a boy chorister when I was 11 -12 (tutored while on the road) and then sang for the Lutheran Church for all over the US. My voice broke at about 14 and a 1/4 years. I have always directed adult church choirs partly because I didn't want to deal with vocal puberty issues.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
7. That would be over 5 years' difference since the mid 1700s
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:57 PM
Nov 2013

Really? I have a lot of doubts about "mortality patterns among boys, which can show increased risk-taking and, by extension, the onset of puberty". That's a cultural measurement, not a biological one.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
9. Better nutrition alone will do that
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 07:19 PM
Nov 2013

There's a natural end to the trend, of course, but just the far greater availability of vegetables and fruit in winter accelerates growth rates, not to mention the dreaded "social" programs that ensure that poor people get enough to eat.

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