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As Price of Nuclear Energy Drops, a Wisconsin Plant Is Shut (Original Post) Throckmorton May 2013 OP
Headline says costs going down, article enumerates huge and growing costs. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #1
Very weird, maybe they mean the selling price, not the production cost? bananas May 2013 #2
You've got it right. FBaggins May 2013 #3
Ah - that makes sense. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #4
That is true in this market anyway. Throckmorton May 2013 #6
That's right. n/t Yo_Mama May 2013 #7
The price of nuclear is going down, even with those costs factored in wtmusic May 2013 #5
The price of nuclear isn't going down - the value of nuclear is declining kristopher May 2013 #10
As of 1:00 this morning, the last fuel assembly was move to the Spent Fuel Pool. Throckmorton May 2013 #8
The license is only a minor formality. kristopher May 2013 #9
Agreed Throckmorton May 2013 #12
Levy County Florida Costs how much? RobertEarl May 2013 #11
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. Headline says costs going down, article enumerates huge and growing costs.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:57 AM
May 2013

What a weird story. Did the editor just make the headline up?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
2. Very weird, maybe they mean the selling price, not the production cost?
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:23 AM
May 2013

From the article:

"Industry experts say that several reactors are operating at a loss while their owners wait for the glut of natural gas to disappear."

So nuclear plants are selling electricity at a reduced price to the consumer, even though their production costs are going up due to increased maintenance etc.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
3. You've got it right.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:27 AM
May 2013

They're talking about a "merchant" plant that sells power for whatever the market is paying at the time.

As the price of that power dropped, the plant was shut down.

So nuclear plants are selling electricity at a reduced price to the consumer, even though their production costs are going up due to increased maintenance etc.


In some cases... yep.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. Ah - that makes sense.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:42 AM
May 2013

A better title would be "Nuclear power unable to compete in an open market".
Duh.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
6. That is true in this market anyway.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:51 PM
May 2013

Plus the cost of operating a plant in life extension was also a big factor here. There was just no way to operate another 20 years with much of the existing plant equipment. The replacement costs for new equipment are staggering and it just didn't make sense to continue operation in this market. Watch for more closings based on these same economics in the upper mid-west, where there are many plants entering life extension. The fact that this is a merchant plant just pushed it along faster than those in the regulated rate base.

Look for more closings forced by cheap gas in the near future.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
5. The price of nuclear is going down, even with those costs factored in
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

but not as fast as the price of natural gas. It's cheaper to add more carbon to the air, so how can you argue with that?

"Lower wholesale power prices reduce quark spreads available to nuclear plant operators



Quark spreads—a measure of the potential profitability of nuclear power plants—have fallen in recent years largely because of falling wholesale electricity prices. A quark spread is the difference between the wholesale electricity price received by a nuclear power plant owner and the cost of fuel needed to generate the electricity. Since 2012, quark spreads in the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic (see chart) have ranged between about $10 to $35 per megawatthour (MWh). Lower natural gas prices have contributed to lower wholesale electricity prices.
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• Nuclear fuel costs are more stable than fossil fuel costs. Natural gas costs, and to a lesser extent coal costs, experience more short-term volatility than nuclear fuel costs.
• Nuclear power plant fuel costs are typically much lower on a dollar-per-megawatthour ($/MWh) basis than coal or natural gas plant fuel costs: in 2011, the estimated average national fuel costs for coal and natural gas plants were $25/MWh and $36/MWh, respectively. In contrast, the national average cost of nuclear fuel was $6/MWh. As a result, given the same wholesale electricity price, nuclear power plants generally produce more revenue net of fuel cost on a dollar-per-megawatt basis than coal- or natural gas-fired plants."

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=10971

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
10. The price of nuclear isn't going down - the value of nuclear is declining
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

It costs more than it ever did to produce.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
8. As of 1:00 this morning, the last fuel assembly was move to the Spent Fuel Pool.
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:10 PM
May 2013

So, how about Indian Point 2 running without a license later this year.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. The license is only a minor formality.
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:25 PM
May 2013

It isn't as if there is any chance at all of the NRC denying the extension; after all, they are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Nuclear Reactors R US.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Levy County Florida Costs how much?
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:38 PM
May 2013
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/analysis-levy-nuclear-plant-twice-the-cost-of-a-natural-gas-facility/2120372

Long, well written article about the costs of nukular vs gas plant. Florida and Duke are looking at building a new nuke and finally the press is not laying down and taking the word of the power company. New owner and all that, I guess. Plus Florida is revisiting the extra charge on people's bills for a maybe/maybe not new nuke.

We are talking some big bucks here, and the article does talk about how building bigger means more money in the power company's pockets.
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