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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:45 PM Nov 2012

Greenland and Antarctica 'have lost 4tn tonnes of ice' in 20 years

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/29/greenland-antarctica-4-trillion-tonnes-ice


More than 4tn tonnes of ice from Greenland and Antarctica has melted in the past 20 years and flowed into the oceans, pushing up sea levels, according to a study that provides the best measure to date of the effect climate change is having on the earth's biggest ice sheets.

The research involved dozens of scientists and 10 satellite missions and presents a disturbing picture of the impact of recent warming at the poles.

The scientists claim the study, published in the journal Science, ends a long-running debate over whether the vast ice sheet covering the Antarctic continent is losing or gaining mass. East Antarctica is gaining some ice, the satellite data shows, but west Antarctica and the Antarctic peninsula is losing twice as much, meaning overall the sheet is melting.

"The estimates are the most reliable to date, and end 20 years of uncertainty of ice mass changes in Antarctica and Greenland," said study leader, Andrew Shepherd, of Leeds University. "There have been 30 different estimates of the sea level rise contribution of Greenland and Antarctica, ranging from an annual 2mm rise to a 0.4mm fall.
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Greenland and Antarctica 'have lost 4tn tonnes of ice' in 20 years (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2012 OP
Remember when Bush spoke of the melting Arctic as a good thing for commerce? alfredo Nov 2012 #1
We've been working on that for awhile BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #2
awful stuntcat Nov 2012 #6
1962 BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #7
Wow, that link captures quite the opposite of, Humble. ... n/t CRH Nov 2012 #13
Melting that much ice would take the energy of 300,000 MT of nuclear explosions. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #3
Yeah but it's "clean" coal, "clean" oil and "clean" natural gas ... Nihil Nov 2012 #11
Sea level increase as a result is 11mm dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #4
Clearest evidence yet of polar ice losses OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #8
There's an oddity in Antarctica dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #9
It’s not all that odd OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #10
International study provides more solid measure of shrinking in polar ice sheets OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #5
Feed backs keep feeding back, ... CRH Nov 2012 #12
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. Melting that much ice would take the energy of 300,000 MT of nuclear explosions.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

1,500,000+ Hiroshima bombs: over 200 bombs every day for 20 solid years.

And we did it all just by burning some coal and oil...

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
11. Yeah but it's "clean" coal, "clean" oil and "clean" natural gas ...
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:52 AM
Nov 2012

... with only an acceptable amount (*) of that nasty radiation stuff and NO NUKES!!!!!



(*) = "acceptable" >> "ever been released from nuclear power stations but who gives a fuck"

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. Sea level increase as a result is 11mm
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:44 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Cannot provide link. See BBC.

edit- back home now.

Sea-level rise from polar ice melt finally quantified.

Melting of polar ice sheets has added 11mm to global sea levels over the past two decades, according to the most definitive assessment so far.

More than 20 polar research teams have combined forces to produce estimates of the state of the ice in Greenland and Antarctica in a paper in Science.

Until now different measurement means have produced a wide range of estimates with large uncertainties.

But sea-level rise is now among the most pressing questions of our time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20543483

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
8. Clearest evidence yet of polar ice losses
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:56 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/3336/clearest_evidence_yet_of_polar_ice_losses
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Clearest evidence yet of polar ice losses[/font]

Published Thursday 29th November 12

[font size=3]An international team of satellite experts has produced the most accurate assessment of ice losses from Antarctica and Greenland to date, ending 20 years of uncertainty.

In a landmark study, published on 30 November in the journal Science, the researchers show that melting of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets has contributed 11.1 millimetres to global sea levels since 1992. This amounts to one fifth of all sea level rise over the survey period.

About two thirds of the ice loss was from Greenland, and the remainder was from Antarctica.



The study also shows that the combined rate of ice sheet melting has increased over time and, altogether, Greenland and Antarctica are now losing more than three times as much ice (equivalent to 0.95 mm of sea level rise per year) as they were in the 1990s (equivalent to 0.27 mm of sea level rise per year).

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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
10. It’s not all that odd
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:13 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html



The Antarctic ice sheet. East Antarctica is much higher in elevation than West Antarctica.



Two-thirds of Antarctica is a high, cold desert. Known as East Antarctica, this section has an average altitude of about 2 kilometer (1.2 miles), higher than the American Colorado Plateau. There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica. Radar and laser-based satellite data show a little mass loss at the edges of East Antarctica, which is being partly offset by accumulation of snow in the interior, although a very recent result from the NASA/German Aerospace Center's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace) suggests that since 2006 there has been more ice loss from East Antarctica than previously thought. Overall, not much is going on in East Antarctica -- yet.

A Frozen Hawaii

West Antarctica is very different. Instead of a single continent, it is a series of islands covered by ice -- think of it as a frozen Hawaii, with penguins. Because it's a group of islands, much of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS, in the jargon) is actually sitting on the floor of the Southern Ocean, not on dry land. Parts of it are more than 1.7 kilometer (1 mile) below sea level. Pine Island is the largest of these islands and the largest ice stream in West Antarctica is called Pine Island Glacier. The WAIS, if it melted completely, would raise sea level by 5 to 7 meter (16 to 23 feet). And the Pine Island Glacier would contribute about 10 percent of that.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
5. International study provides more solid measure of shrinking in polar ice sheets
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:17 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.washington.edu/news/2012/11/29/international-study-provides-more-solid-measure-of-shrinking-in-polar-ice-sheets/
[font face=Serif]November 29, 2012
[font size=5]International study provides more solid measure of shrinking in polar ice sheets[/font]

By Hannah Hickey
News and Information

[font size=3]The planet’s two largest ice sheets have been losing ice faster during the past decade, causing widespread confusion and concern. A new international study provides a firmer read on the state of continental ice sheets and how much they are contributing to sea-level rise.

Dozens of climate scientists have reconciled their measurements of ice sheet changes in Antarctica and Greenland during the past two decades. The results, published Nov. 29 in the journal Science, roughly halve the uncertainty and discard some conflicting observations.

“We are just beginning an observational record for ice,” said co-author Ian Joughin, a glaciologist in the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory who is lead author on an accompanying review article. “This creates a new long-term data set that will increase in importance as new measurements are made.”

The paper examined three methods that had been used by separate groups and established common places and times, allowing researchers to discard some outlying observations and showing that the results agree to within the uncertainties of the methods.

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CRH

(1,553 posts)
12. Feed backs keep feeding back, ...
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 09:10 AM
Nov 2012

Last edited Fri Nov 30, 2012, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Northern or southern hemisphere matters little, all the planet's ice is in a state of failing. The heat pump of planet earth is primed, and being fed now not just by anthropogenic fossil fuel use, but as well by the feedbacks created within the system. Soon the permafrost and thawing ocean cathrates will provide yet more fuel to the heat pump, even without more human stimulation.

Yet another study, confirming the continuing forward motion of global warming. Fifty years, a one or two centuries what does it matter, anything that doesn't slow to a stop the heat pump, is sure continue heating the planet.

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