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Related: About this forumArnie Gundersen: State Dept told by the U.S. government to downplay the health effects of radiation
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Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Associates: Here in the United States we have this dont ask, dont tell. We dont ask the Japanese whats in it, and they dont tell us. But the South Koreans are banning imports of Japanese seafood
Ive been told by people in the State Department last year that they were told by the U.S. government to downplay the health effects of radiation. And so I think weve really gone out of our way not to measure.
GUNDERSEN ON FUKUSHIMA FISH SALES AND REACTORS BUCKLING BUILDING
In a startling mix of market forces and nuclear therapy, the Japanese government is now allowing the sale of seafood from Fukushima, where radioactivity continues to be released daily into the Pacific from the doomed Fukushima Daichi nuclear power stations. Officials and merchants insist that the locally sold octopus and snails are safe for consumption. But a new study shows alarming levels of hot cesium, strontium and plutonium in local anchovies, crabs, and other marine species. However, sea bass off the coast of Japan are being thrown back for exceeding radiation limits, and hot bluefin tuna have now traveled all the way to the U.S. west coast, Nuclear expert ARNIE GUNDERSEN of Fairewinds Associates has the latest details;
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)And on somebody's podcast now. At this rate he's probably a couple of weeks away from joining the Alex Jones show where he belongs. I wonder if his "TEN HOT PARTICLESSS!!!" schtick makes a return, now that pretty much every claim he's made about Fukushima has been proven untrue.
flamingdem
(39,330 posts)To be credible you need to back up your criticisms.
WBAI Pacifica radio is a highly respected source of information, unless you are on the right or chummy with the nuclear industry, which it appears you are on this issue.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> Ah, Arnie Gundersen spreading horseshit again.
> At this rate he's probably a couple of weeks away from joining the Alex Jones
> show where he belongs.
The dickhead has already been there and done that ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112717279
Yet people still post his crap here and claim that he's still relevant.
madokie
(51,076 posts)volunteer to go to Fukushima and help in the clean up. From what I've read they are having a tough time finding good workers for the job.
I read it pays pretty good too. No need to worry with healthcare while there either as this stuff is perfectly safe and will keep all the cooties away from you no matter what, so why not?
Peace Nihil and have a great day
I'm going to see my doc *VA* this morning so I'll probably get nuked at least once
Nihil
(13,508 posts)... if I was going to go to Japan, I'd volunteer to help the people who were
actually affected by the earthquake & tsunami (remember the 15,000 DEAD?)
rather than simply saving a corner-cutting company a few dollars (or yen or whatever).
I realise that details like facts put a crimp in the boiler-plate anti-nuke rants but the
focus on Fukushima is downright offensive compared to the pain felt from the real tragedy
of that event:
On 12 March 2012, a Japanese National Police Agency report confirmed 15,861 deaths,
6,107 injured, and 3,018 people missing across twenty prefectures, as well as
129,225 buildings totally collapsed, with a further 254,204 buildings 'half collapsed',
and another 691,766 buildings partially damaged.
Anyway, hope that your visit to the doc goes/went well. Take care of yourself madokie.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)FBaggins
(26,760 posts)... the valid complaint is that the anti-nukes can't seem to keep it in anything like a sense of perspective.
But that's what irrational fear is all about. You do scores of things every day that endanger your health and safety more than nuclear power (including accidents)... but think nothing of them.
Indeed... "think nothing" could be the new label for the type.
NickB79
(19,274 posts)Fledermaus
(1,506 posts)For how long? I don't know.
The Japanese government raised the acceptable limits of contamination in their food after Fukushima. What they now allow to be eaten would have been considered nuclear waste before Fukushima!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/1505564/Tunas-25000-mile-swim-down-marine-highway.html
Nihil
(13,508 posts)Don't particularly care about the "why" (even if it is pathetically panic-mongering)
but the end result is that there is marginally less demand for yet another ocean
"resource" so that's a good thing ...
Fledermaus
(1,506 posts)How many times were we told and berated that this was a statistical impossibility?
How many times?
Nihil
(13,508 posts)... considering how often we were "reliably informed" that it was busy
melting through to the centre of the Earth after having caused calamitous
explosions when it reached the water table and achieved re-criticality
leading to a catastrophic fission explosion that would kill more people
than the earthquake & tsunami (remember those?) did.
> How many times were we told and berated that this was a statistical impossibility?
> How many times?
Don't know. I didn't tell you that cesium in seafood was "a statistical impossibility"
but it is always possible that someone else did ... in which case you are in the best
position to count up all of those times - either because you can find them or because
they are figments of your imagination so you'll be the only person who can count them.