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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 01:39 PM Jul 2023

The Guardian: 'No one wants to be right about this': climate scientists' horror and exasperation ...

‘No one wants to be right about this’: climate scientists’ horror and exasperation as global predictions play out
Mon 24 Jul 2023 11.00 EDT
As the northern hemisphere burns, experts feel deep sadness – and resentment – while dreading what lies ahead this Australian summer

Guardian Australia asked seven leading climate scientists to describe how they felt as much of the northern hemisphere is engulfed by blistering heatwaves, and a number of global land and ocean climate records are broken.

‘I am stunned by the ferocity’
What is playing out all over the world right now is entirely consistent with what scientists expect. No one wants to be right about this. But if I’m honest, I am stunned by the ferocity of the impacts we are currently experiencing. I am really dreading the devastation I know this El Niño will bring. As the situation deteriorates, it makes me wonder how I can be most helpful at a time like this. Do I keep trying to pursue my research career or devote even more of my time to warning the public? The pressure and anxiety of working through an escalating crisis is taking its toll on many of us.

Dr Joëlle Gergis, senior lecturer in climate science Fenner School of Environment and Society, associate investigator ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate Extremes at the Australian National University


‘Even 1.2C of global warming isn’t safe’
We knew by the mid-1990s that lurking in the tails of our climate model projections were monsters: monstrous heatwaves, catastrophic extreme rainfall and floods, subcontinental-scale wildfires, rapid ice sheet collapse raising sea level metres within a century. We knew – just like we know gravity – that Australia’s Great Barrier Reef could be one of the earliest victims of uncontained global warming.



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The Guardian: 'No one wants to be right about this': climate scientists' horror and exasperation ... (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 OP
Exasperation is right. paleotn Jul 2023 #1
"Live like it's the 15th century?" Short and brutish. Not even very pleasant for the rich erronis Jul 2023 #2
Several years ago, a friend and I were discussing "Climate Change" OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #6
Thanks for that! OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #4
Out'ta be a movie.... jaxexpat Jul 2023 #3
I rather like "Scientific reticence and sea level rise" OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #5
It'll never play in Boston. jaxexpat Jul 2023 #7
And the harbor will soon be at their doorsteps! OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #8
Thanks for that. I'm just now reading "Global Warming in the Pipeline" erronis Jul 2023 #9
"Very scary" to say the least. OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #10

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
1. Exasperation is right.
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 04:33 PM
Jul 2023

They had to water down what the models were showing for fear of being called "shrill" by our vaunted media of yappers and scribblers, plus the unrelenting attacks by internet mobs. Now, the chickens have come home to roost.

Seems the reich wing meme today is " Sure global warming is real and yes it's caused by humans but what did you want us to do about it? Live like it's the 15th century?" I've seen that straw man batted around a number of times this Summer. Idiots.

erronis

(15,370 posts)
2. "Live like it's the 15th century?" Short and brutish. Not even very pleasant for the rich
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 04:37 PM
Jul 2023

That's where they are trying to take us. But even the filthy rich will find that life will be unpleasant, and hopefully equally brutish.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
6. Several years ago, a friend and I were discussing "Climate Change"
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 04:48 PM
Jul 2023

She was bemoaning that we were not as good at growing our own food as our grandparents had been. My response was “Even our grandparents couldn’t grow food if the climate wasn’t conducive to it.”

It’s fine to imagine the rich feeding themselves from indoor hydroponic farms, how fast do you suppose they can build them?

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
4. Thanks for that!
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jul 2023

I hadn’t encountered that straw man.

The best I had seen was, “OK, yes, the climate is changing, but the climate does that. Haven’t you ever heard of ‘ice ages?’ and no one knows what caused them!”

I occasionally try to explain Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate, but it’s a mostly pointless exercise.

jaxexpat

(6,857 posts)
3. Out'ta be a movie....
Mon Jul 24, 2023, 04:38 PM
Jul 2023

"When Scientists Can't Be Objective Because Their Country Is Dying". Long title, yeah but I'm pretty sure lots of folks will go to the screening. It's air-conditioned in cinemas, right?

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