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Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:33 PM Jun 2023

"Show this to anyone who says renewables are unreliable"...

A good article on the truth about renewables and energy storage in action...

https://heated.world/p/show-this-to-anyone-who-says-renewables

Edited for length...


Renewables are the only reason Texas' power grid hasn't failed during this month's punishing heat wave, a grid expert tells HEATED

Arielle Samuelson
Jun 29, 2023

-snip-

...But this heat wave, something has been different. The Texas power grid is holding, and it’s due in large part to two things: renewable energy and battery storage. This is particularly interesting given the claim Texas politicians often make regarding renewable energy: that it is “unreliable” compared to fossil fuels.

So I spoke with Doug Lewin, an energy expert and president at Stoic Energy, and the author of the Texas Energy and Power Newsletter, about how battery storage, solar power, and wind energy are the only reason Texans reliably have AC this week. He called me from his car, when the temperature was 103 degrees Fahrenheit (39 degrees Celsius) in the shade.

Here are the 5 most fascinating things I learned:

1. Solar and battery storage have been essential to keep Texas from losing power.

...Giant batteries also stored enough power to stabilize the grid when large gas and coal power plants had power outages. Twice in the past two weeks, battery storage saved the day: once when a nuclear power plant dropped offline, and again when two large coal plants suffered outages.

2. Texas is expanding its renewable energy capacity precisely because of its reliability.

...Texas led the country in new renewable energy projects and wind power in 2022, and doubled its solar capacity this year. That’s especially helpful during long summer days, when solar power can provide energy until the sun sets around 8:30 pm.

3. Texas Republicans are still marketing solar and wind as unreliable, even as they save the day.

...When the power grid fails, Texas Republicans tend to make a habit of scapegoating renewable energy. After Winter Storm Uri, Senator Ted Cruz spread misinformation about “frozen wind turbines” causing the blackouts that left millions of Texans without heat or power. In reality, ERCOT said gas, coal, and nuclear power plants were responsible for twice as many outages as solar and wind combined.

4. Texas’s pro-oil culture is holding lawmakers back from telling the truth.

...Texas is the top oil and gas-producing state in the U.S (it also produced 26 percent of the nation’s wind energy last year). That keeps Republicans repeating the same tired talking points about failing wind turbines, even though wind is the state's second-largest power source.

5. A culture shift in Texas can have benefits across the country.

...As the climate crisis continues to push temperatures to extremes, Texas’ grid may become a testing ground for the rest of the nation. So how Texas handles its power grid isn’t just a local issue—it’s a global one. “I think we're a postcard from the future,” said Lewin. “The stakes are very, very, very high.”


Full article at: https://heated.world/p/show-this-to-anyone-who-says-renewables
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"Show this to anyone who says renewables are unreliable"... (Original Post) Think. Again. Jun 2023 OP
Politicians in Texas can throw as much red meat as they want GregariousGroundhog Jun 2023 #1
Two points Finishline42 Jun 2023 #2
A good friend built a windfarm on a plateau in New Mexico Caribbeans Jun 2023 #3
Annndddd.. Think. Again. Jun 2023 #4
In Texas, at this minute, they're burning fucking gas, & dumping the waste in the atmosphere. NNadir Jun 2023 #5
You're absolutely right.... Think. Again. Jun 2023 #6
The chant is tiresome. NNadir Jun 2023 #7
We need to eliminate the burning of fossil fuels... Think. Again. Jun 2023 #8
One has to be delusional to think that wind and solar do not depend on fossil fuels. NNadir Jun 2023 #9
Delusion is a terrible thing. Think. Again. Jun 2023 #10

GregariousGroundhog

(7,525 posts)
1. Politicians in Texas can throw as much red meat as they want
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 03:25 PM
Jun 2023

At the end of the day, utility executives will developer generation capacity at the lowest price point that meets a certain reliability threshold.

Solar energy tends to match electrical demand from air conditioning rather well; it provided 4% of Texas' electricity last year and has significant growth potential on their grid. Wind energy energy provided 24% of Texas' electricity last year, and I'm uneducated as to how much it's intermitency issues will grow with as it's share of generation capacity increases.

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
2. Two points
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 07:03 PM
Jun 2023

1st in response to...

Solar energy tends to match electrical demand from air conditioning rather well;

This is true to a point. When the sun is shinning is when AC is being used. But then the sun starts to go down, the heat doesn't go away, so that's where utility scale batteries come into play. Also most days in Texas in the evening when solar is dropping off, wind is increasing. In fact today wind didn't drop below the solar output, which it does normally (at least when I'm looking at the ERCOT charts).

The 2nd point deals with who is making the most money on wind and solar - it's the land owners. When they lease their land to a company that builds wind or solar on their land, they get monthly payments and it's more than they can make with the land either growing crops or raising cattle. As a result there are a lot of Rep politicians that have to support wind and solar even though most Rep politicians are beholden to the oil and gas industries.

Caribbeans

(776 posts)
3. A good friend built a windfarm on a plateau in New Mexico
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 07:15 PM
Jun 2023

in 2001.

He's been receiving $120,000 per year since then. These payments continue on as long as the wind farm makes energy. He doesn't even own the land.

So, wind power pays.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
4. Annndddd..
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:30 PM
Jun 2023

The presence of the wind or solar installation on the land doesn't neccesarily restrict the land from continuing to be used for other income.

There are a lot of farms that are operating in, around, and under the panels and turbines that are built on them.

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
5. In Texas, at this minute, they're burning fucking gas, & dumping the waste in the atmosphere.
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:25 PM
Jun 2023

Rather than recycle bullshit fantasies, and repeat obviously fraudulent crap, one can directly access the ERCOT data in real time.

ERCOT Real Time Data

As of this moment, the demand for electricity in Texas because of extreme heat resulting from the failure of 50 years of mindless cheering for solar and wind garbage, all of which will be piles of waste in the next twenty years, is 77,688 MW.

The Demand curve downloaded at 21:50 CT is here:







The soon to be electronic waste solar garbage in that State, choking on extreme heat because 50 years of "solar and wind will save us bullshit," has done nothing to address climate change is producing 732 MW as the sun falls, in the fucking "percent talk" antinukes use to excuse their indifference to reality, 100*732/77688 = 0.94%, not even 1% as people's lives are at stake if the air conditioning goes down:




Here's the fucking fuel mix right now:



Now as it happens, the wind is blowing right now, but tomorrow evening, as the power demand peaks in the early evening as it does during episodes of extreme heat, if the wind doesn't blow, Texas will burn gas and dump the waste into the planetary atmosphere as it is doing right at this fucking minute.

As I've been following the real time ERCOT data during this climate disaster, as opposed to recycling propaganda, just as I follow the grids at CAISO and in Europe, I happen to know that there occasions, as there are often in California (CAISO) when all the wind facilities in these States spread of thousands of square miles of wind turbine industrial parks, can't produce as much energy as a few nuclear plants produce on a few acres.

If anyone wants a demonstration that wind and solar cultists do not now, and never have, given a shit about the use of fossil fuels, the use on which the wind and solar garbage depends; that they couldn't care less about climate change, I offer this post.

Personally, I'm aware that "I'm not an antinuke" "wind and solar will save us" antinukes are very poorly read, but even I would have thought that they would be able to look up the word "reliable" in the dictionary.

One cannot rely on the wind blowing, which is the fucking point.

It is unsurprising to find people who couldn't care less about climate change doing a victory dance at a disaster.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
6. You're absolutely right....
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:41 PM
Jun 2023

Texas, and everywhere else, must stop burning fossil fuels a quickly as possible.

As the article states, Texas is on it's way there with a variety of non-CO2 sources being built up, and storage being built up too, and luckily there was wind and solar and storage reliably available when the nuclear plant went down, but until we ALL get to 100% NON-CO2 we must keep building more and more of all of the alternatives to fossil fuels. Fast.

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
7. The chant is tiresome.
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 12:12 AM
Jun 2023

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who hypes solar and wind garbage just doesn't give a fuck about climate change.

Anyone who complains about the reliability of nuclear plants can't read very well, particularly if they're hyping wind and solar crap that rarely achieves capacity utilization of 40%.

As of today, all day and all night, three of Texas's nuclear plants are operating at 100% capacity utilization, and one, Comanche Peak 1 is operating at 78% capacity utilization.

The number of wind turbines in the whole fucking State of Texas that has ever operated for an entire day at a capacity utilization of 78% is zero.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
8. We need to eliminate the burning of fossil fuels...
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 12:51 AM
Jun 2023

Using everything and anything that does not emit CO2.

Capacity utilization doesn't matter, positive output does.

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
9. One has to be delusional to think that wind and solar do not depend on fossil fuels.
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 06:36 AM
Jun 2023

One can look at the ERCOT real time data at any time on any day or night to see this; one can look at the CAISO data at any time on any day or any night to see this; one can look at the carbon intensity of that coal dependent hell Germany at any time on any day or any night to see this.

The lack of reliability, all the idiotic lies to the contrary on the internet notwithstanding, is the reason that the wind and solar do nothing to address climate change and are useless for displacing fossil fuels.

The planet's on fire and we still here this obviously fraudulent nonsense flying around from "I'm not an antinuke" antinukes who want to whine about Fukushima while people drop dead all over the planet from extreme heat because the solar and wind advertising fantasy is useless.

There is not one person on this planet who favors the failed solar and wind industry who gives a rat's ass about fossil fuels or climate change.

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