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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,513 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:57 AM Apr 2019

The Dirty Truth About Green Batteries

The Dirty Truth About Green Batteries

Maddie Stone
Today 8:33am
Filed to: EVERYTHING HAS A COST
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Much like our smartphones and computers, the high-tech energy infrastructure of tomorrow requires a host of metals and minerals from across the periodic table and the planet. The lithium-ion batteries used in EVs and energy storage require not just lithium, but often cobalt, manganese, and nickel. Electric vehicle engines rely on rare earths, as do the permanent magnet-based generators inside some wind turbines. Solar panels gobbles up a significant share of the world’s supply of tellurium, and gallium, along with a sizable fraction of mined silver and indium. Most renewable technologies demand heaps of copper and aluminum.

Our appetite for these metals will only grow as these technologies proliferate. While that basic fact has been known for years, the new report takes things a step further by working out the projected demand for 14 critical metals if humanity were to limit global warming to the Paris Agreement target of 1.5 degrees Celsius, by shifting to 100 percent renewable energy by mid-century. In a scenario the authors describe “very ambitious”, the 2050 energy mix is mainly wind and solar PV-driven, with smaller fractions of our energy coming from geothermal power, hydropower, and other technologies. The transportation sector is also 100 percent renewable, with over half of all cars, buses, and commercial vehicles being battery-driven electric or plug-in hybrids.

That future sounds great from a climate perspective. But as the new analysis shows, it also creates some daunting materials challenges. ... In the authors’ scenarios, annual demand for lithium, as well as the rare earths neodymium and dysprosium, for batteries and EV engines, exceed current production rates by 2022. Batteries will also drive cobalt and nickel demand higher than current production around 2030, while tellurium demand for solar PV will peak well above current production rates in the late 2020s to mid 2030s.

It gets worse. By mid-century, even in the most optimistic scenarios, the battery sector’s cobalt appetite is projected to exceed known planetary reserves, while our lithium demand will have eaten up at least 86 percent of known reserves. This doesn’t mean we will “run out” of these metals—known reserves simply refers to the metals that are currently economical to mine, and that can change over time—but it does serve to highlight just how big of a player batteries will be in fueling our material appetite in the decades to come. Lead study author Elsa Dominish told Earther via email that for lithium and cobalt at least, new mining seems “inevitable.”
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progree

(10,909 posts)
1. Or a nickel refinery in Australia that closed after it was found to be dumping toxic wastewater
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:12 PM
Apr 2019
Or a nickel refinery in Australia that closed after it was found to be dumping toxic wastewater onto the Great Barrier Reef. Last year, that refinery was set to re-open amidst rising nickel demand fueled by the EV sector.

Progressive dog

(6,905 posts)
4. That technology is not new,
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:06 PM
Apr 2019

We also could use springs to store mechanical energy. EV's turn mechanical energy back into electric energy when braking.
As to concrete for storage, if you lift about 1.3 tons to 1000 ft, you would have enough energy to power a US home for about 1 hour.
A gigawatt power plant would need a million times that height x weight for 1 hour of storage. I wonder how much energy it would take to make enough concrete.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwix49Tg9NfhAhVCh-AKHWcJA-0QFjABegQIABAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fconvert-to.com%2Fconversion%2Fenergy%2Fconvert-wh-to-ft-lb.html&usg=AOvVaw2XWMXAq-ekdn1KR4dZIApn

progree

(10,909 posts)
5. Instead of concrete, we can capture an asteroid and bring it down to earth with a 25,000 sq. mile
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:33 PM
Apr 2019

parachute.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
6. Nope, there are many designs.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:46 PM
Apr 2019

A train full of rocks on a hill. Pumping water up and letting down-flow deliver power. The advantage is a cleaner safer design that does not rely on rare materials. At least alternatives are being researched. I've looked at Tesla power units and they are pretty expensive and would take quite a few to power a house.

Progressive dog

(6,905 posts)
7. I'll bet Tesla power units cost a lot less than
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:28 PM
Apr 2019

using cranes to lift concrete and take up a lot less space too. For about $100 at retail, you can buy a 100 watt hour battery.
Stored hydro power is actually in use where it makes sense.

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
3. All that is based on not finding a new way to make batteries.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:45 PM
Apr 2019

How many smartphones = one car battery?

As always has been the case - necessity is the mother of invention - the more we move towards that goal the more money will be devoted to finding better way of getting there.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
8. Current battery tech is locked in for the next couple of decades
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:42 PM
Apr 2019

There's been a massive amount of investment in current lithium-ion battery production in the past few years. Musk's Gigafactories come to mind. This creates a form of inertia in the system that will take time to overcome.

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
9. Don't agree
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:37 PM
Apr 2019

New tech comes along every day. From the computer industry to cell phones to flat screen TV's. Companies go gonzo over the latest, invest in equipment and production lines and something new comes along and surpasses it. We haven't suffered when it happens either.

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