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hatrack

(59,587 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:25 AM Apr 2019

Newest Climate Models Show Equilibrium Returning At 5C Increase, Not 2-4.5C; IOW, Getting Hotter Yet

For nearly 40 years, the massive computer models used to simulate global climate have delivered a fairly consistent picture of how fast human carbon emissions might warm the world. But a host of global climate models developed for the United Nations’s next major assessment of global warming, due in 2021, are now showing a puzzling but undeniable trend. They are running hotter than they have in the past. Soon the world could be, too.

In earlier models, doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) over preindustrial levels led models to predict somewhere between 2°C and 4.5°C of warming once the planet came into balance. But in at least eight of the next-generation models, produced by leading centers in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and France, that “equilibrium climate sensitivity” has come in at 5°C or warmer. Modelers are struggling to identify which of their refinements explain this heightened sensitivity before the next assessment from the United Nations’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). But the trend “is definitely real. There’s no question,” says Reto Knutti, a climate scientist at ETH Zurich in Switzerland. “Is that realistic or not? At this point, we don’t know.”

That’s an urgent question: If the results are to be believed, the world has even less time than was thought to limit warming to 1.5°C or 2°C above preindustrial levels—a threshold many see as too dangerous to cross. With atmospheric CO2 already at 408 parts per million (ppm) and rising, up from preindustrial levels of 280 ppm, even previous scenarios suggested the world could warm 2°C within the next few decades. The new simulations are only now being discussed at meetings, and not all the numbers are in, so “it’s a bit too early to get wound up,” says John Fyfe, a climate scientist at the Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling and Analysis in Victoria, whose model is among those running much hotter than in the past. “But maybe we have to face a reality in the future that’s more pessimistic than it was in the past.”

Many scientists are skeptical, pointing out that past climate changes recorded in ice cores and elsewhere don’t support the high climate sensitivity—nor does the pace of modern warming. The results so far are “not sufficient to convince me,” says Kate Marvel, a climate scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City. In the effort to account for atmospheric components that are too small to directly simulate, like clouds, the new models could easily have strayed from reality, she says. “That’s always going to be a bumpy road.” Builders of the new models agree. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL) in Princeton, New Jersey—the birthplace of climate modeling—incorporated a host of improvements in their next-generation model. It mimics the ocean in fine enough detail to directly simulate eddies, honing its representation of heat-carrying currents like the Gulf Stream. Its rendering of the El Niño cycle, the periodic warming of the equatorial Pacific Ocean, looks “dead on,” says Michael Winton, a GFDL oceanographer who helped lead the model’s development. But for some reason, the world warms up faster with these improvements. Why? “We’re kind of mystified,” Winton says. Right now, he says, the model’s equilibrium sensitivity looks to be 5°C.

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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/new-climate-models-predict-warming-surge

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Newest Climate Models Show Equilibrium Returning At 5C Increase, Not 2-4.5C; IOW, Getting Hotter Yet (Original Post) hatrack Apr 2019 OP
... equilibrium sensitivity looks to be 5C... Ghost Dog Apr 2019 #1
We saw our first daily reading over 414 ppm this week. NNadir Apr 2019 #2
Jesus Christ. nt NickB79 Apr 2019 #3
6 All-time daily records so far in 2019 - highest to date 414.84 back on March 18th hatrack Apr 2019 #4
Don't worry. Be happy. We're sending a whole bunch of diesel powered ships to pour concrete... NNadir Apr 2019 #5
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
1. ... equilibrium sensitivity looks to be 5C...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:33 AM
Apr 2019

assuming corporations very soon stop pumping extra CO2 into the atmosphere. And, what, assuming current global population growth trends remain the same? Whole societies will not crash and burn?

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
4. 6 All-time daily records so far in 2019 - highest to date 414.84 back on March 18th
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:37 PM
Apr 2019

Other all-time daily records by year:

2018 - 3
2017 - 2
2016 - 2
2015 - 1

https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

NNadir

(33,528 posts)
5. Don't worry. Be happy. We're sending a whole bunch of diesel powered ships to pour concrete...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:59 AM
Apr 2019

...off the coast of Massachusetts on the benthic ecosystem to stick steel posts attached to giant bird grinders that will produce electricity whenever the wind is blowing, which is reported to not be 100% of the time, but who's counting?

Gas is "cheap," and we can burn it whenever the wind isn't blowing. Anyone who cares about the gas waste is not going with the program.

Stuff like that has been saving the day for my whole adult life, and I'm not young. I'm sure these 414+ numbers - I seem to have missed a few - are not as important as the concrete, steel, diesel ships and bird grinders which are very, very, very, very cheerful.

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