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As the shutdown continues to harm U.S. science in myriad ways, I worry a lot that were on the cusp of a long-term decline in U.S. science.
U.S. research universities are the envy of the world. These research universities and the research they generate produce enormous economic benefits for us see, e.g., Silicon Valley, biomedical research
Our research universities also attract the smartest students from around the world; they all want to come to the U.S. to pursue graduate studies. This in turn is one of the things that makes our universities so good we get the worlds smartest students. I note that there are plenty of smart Americans, but there are not enough who want to get a Ph.D. to do all of the research our universities are doing.
Many of these foreign-born students return home after graduation, which is why if you go to China youll find their faculty is full of U.S. Ph.D.s. Because theyve lived in the U.S. for several years, these faculty spread a positive view of the U.S., which is good for us. But heres the kicker we keep the very smartest of them. The most productive, most original, most entrepreneurial, etc. get faculty jobs here in the U.S. or jobs at govt labs. See @climateofGavin, @khayhoe and many others for examples.
This is the key advantage U.S. science has over other countries. When I worked at NASA Goddard, I marveled that you could walk down the halls and see people who were born all over the world. Weve taken the smartest people from around the world and they work for us now! A lot of what Trump has done is diminishing the U.S. lead in science. This shutdown is harming science in numerous ways, and the immigration policies also make it harder and less attractive for very smart people to come to the U.S. e.g.,
At some point, smart people will say, I dont want to go there. Perhaps that will make some Trump supporters happy, but I can assure you it will degrade our scientific enterprise and we will be worse-off for it. Many other countries would love to take the mantle of science leader away from the U.S. China, for example, is investing huge amounts of money in research and research infrastructure. If were not cognizant of these risks, the U.S. will become a 2nd-rate science power.
Below, Dr. Dessler at his best, explaining satellite temperature data.
EDIT
https://climatecrocks.com/2019/01/17/andrew-dessler-on-the-threat-to-american-science/#comments
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)With this administrations visa restrictions and rhetoric its hard to think that hasnt had an impact. Were headed into a new Dark Ages.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)With automation and the continued transfer of wealth .... they don't even need serfs.
What they do need is raw materials: people to put in prison, fight wars, pay whatever money they have for health care, etc.
Add to that the (mostly voluntary) loss of privacy, AI / "connected everything" / data analytics - and you have the perfect spy state to monitor and control everyone.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)STAMP OUT THE GOP.