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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 05:11 PM Aug 2018

The Melting Arctic Is a Real-Time Horror Story -- Why Doesn't Anyone Care?

Last week, scientists learned that 40-foot piles of compacted sea ice — some of the oldest and most durable clusters in the Arctic — are breaking away from the coast of Greenland and drifting out to sea. One meteorologist called it “scary,” but it was hardly unexpected. As the earth’s climate heats up, the idea of a “blue Arctic” — that is, the disappearance of sea ice for at least part of the year, leaving only open ocean — has long been predicted by climate scientists. Some researchers believe that you might be able to kayak to the North Pole as early as 2030; others think the sea ice might last until 2040 or longer.

The thawing of the Arctic is one of the biggest stories of our time, even if it is playing out at a pace and in a way that virtually guarantees most people will pay little or no attention to it. What’s going on is not a future concern, or simply a tragedy for polar bears; the warming Arctic is already having a tremendous impact on our world and may help explain much of the extreme weather this summer, especially in the U.S. and in western Europe. To oversimplify this only slightly, you could argue that this summer’s historic wildfires in California were predicted by heat in the Arctic.

In recent years, the Arctic has been heating up faster than any other place on the planet. (Last winter, temperatures in the Arctic were 45 degrees Fahrenheit above normal). Last week, German climate scientist Stefan Rahmstorf wrote an excellent piece in Politico explaining why the warming Arctic is not only causing ice to melt, but changing the weather dynamics for the entire planet. “That global warming leads to more heat extremes is not rocket science and has been confirmed by global data analysis,” Rahmstorf wrote. He pointed out that we are seeing five times more monthly heat records — such as “hottest July on record in California” — than we would in a stable climate. More heat means drier soils, causing more drought and wildfires. It also means more extreme rain, given that a warmer atmosphere can suck up and then release more moisture (a global increase in rainfall records is well-documented in weather station data).

But then Rahmstorf made a crucial point: “It’s not just that the weather is doing what it always does, except at a higher temperature level. Rather, there is growing evidence that the dynamics of weather itself are changing.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/arctic-ice-melting-716647/

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The Melting Arctic Is a Real-Time Horror Story -- Why Doesn't Anyone Care? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2018 OP
So important to look at compound effect suffragette Aug 2018 #1
Alarming. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #2
make everybody watch the movie jodymarie aimee Aug 2018 #3
Face the truth people...the scientists have been MUZZLED on this for DECADES... Moostache Aug 2018 #4
I survived my first tornado yesturday while on vacation elmac Aug 2018 #5
You and I were screaming about this to others before the 2016 GE ffr Aug 2018 #6
I'm glad I don't have children. Life will not be easy as climate change consumes the planet. StevieM Aug 2018 #20
I'm glad I won't have grandchildren. nt Delmette2.0 Aug 2018 #21
Kick and recommend for visibility. Must read. bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #7
Lots of people care, they just don't care enough HeartachesNhangovers Aug 2018 #8
For sure. We keep consuming several times the energy and other resources than most of the rest of progree Aug 2018 #18
Because it's not biting them squarely on the arse. paleotn Aug 2018 #9
This!! WestMichRad Aug 2018 #11
Frogs in a pot of water on a stove Martin Eden Aug 2018 #14
Zactly. Duppers Aug 2018 #15
Right now a lot of people see upside and not downside Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #10
Exactly! Here in Salem, Oregon it has rained twice so far this summer, and no end in sight. Iwasthere Aug 2018 #12
YOur expereince is very diffirent from mine. I'm in Portland and no one I know has apppreciated the Amaryllis Aug 2018 #19
Selfish, ignorant self-interest. Capitalism at its worst. pangaia Aug 2018 #16
It's not just summer. In Minnesota we've been having these horrible polar vortexes in winter progree Aug 2018 #13
As far as why so few care progree Aug 2018 #17
Good ol' human nature in action . . . . hatrack Aug 2018 #22
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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
1. So important to look at compound effect
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 05:24 PM
Aug 2018

such as on the jet stream.

Would also add that insects like the various bark beetles aren't dying off in the winter and are contributing to more forest fires, especially in places like British Columbia.

Highest rec!

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
4. Face the truth people...the scientists have been MUZZLED on this for DECADES...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 05:43 PM
Aug 2018

Any predictions about what was coming were ALWAYS given the most conservative, least likely set of numbers and projections to prevent widespread panic and demands for immediate action...it sickens me to know that humanity is the cause of (and likely final casualty of) the 6th mass extinction in Planet Earth's history.

Expect runaway feedback loops to be publicized in the next 3-5 years, wide spread panic and flight from low-lying coastal regions within the decade and massive resource wars and nuclear exchanges within the next 50 years or so...I may still be just barely young enough to have to witness it all, but I am damn sure that my kids will have to endure the worst of it.

But I am also curious to know what is the next alpha on the food chain going to be from the insect kingdom...will roaches eventually evolve to larger size and brain capacity or ants or spiders? Imagine a world run by 6 foot tall spiders, snacking on domesticated elephant-sized roaches and keeping dog-sized ants as "pets"...it is all but certain now that humanity has doomed anything living and larger than a smallish rat today to extinction, the only question is how much damage our dying spasms of nuclear resource wars take on the planet before we disappear forever around 2150-2200...we had a spectacular, though very short geological time run...

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
5. I survived my first tornado yesturday while on vacation
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 06:23 PM
Aug 2018

Just got checked into my fav motel and boom, trees just missed my car, motel got put out of biz but spent the night with no power while they cleared the highway. We have broken rainfall records in MI 4 days in as row as thunderstorm trains rolled through the area.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
6. You and I were screaming about this to others before the 2016 GE
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 06:23 PM
Aug 2018

Apparently, some trumped up story about Hillary's email server and other false allegations got more exposure in the M$M. Meaning, not enough people turned out to give our nation the elected officials to do something out climate policy nor the mandate to do something about it.

We're in this together, to sport the Hillary/Kaine slogan. We will die together as well, including future generations just growing up.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. I'm glad I don't have children. Life will not be easy as climate change consumes the planet.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

At this point we need a major breakthrough in geoengineering if the species is going to survive.

8. Lots of people care, they just don't care enough
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 06:28 PM
Aug 2018

to accept a bit of discomfort, inconvenience and added cost. That's just how humans always have been and always will be. American "environmentalism" largely consists of blaming other people for climate change and habitat destruction.

progree

(10,909 posts)
18. For sure. We keep consuming several times the energy and other resources than most of the rest of
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:59 PM
Aug 2018

the world per capita, but if we do a few green things like lowering our hot water temperature a few degrees, we feel we're good.

Anyway, it's "capitalism's fault", not ours. As long as we show up and vote for anti-capitalists, then hey, we're good. It's always something or someone elses fault, nothing wrong with us wonderfully wonderful good people.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
9. Because it's not biting them squarely on the arse.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 06:34 PM
Aug 2018

The serious impacts have been relatively isolated to date or deemed not that far out of the ordinary. Thus, the average jill and joe shmo doesn't care all that much. Certainly not enough to curtail his or her lifestyle. But of course, things like this don't stay isolated or ordinary and when jill and joe's ox finally gets gored, they will scream "why didn't someone do something about this?!!!" Of course, by then it's too fucking late.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
14. Frogs in a pot of water on a stove
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:33 PM
Aug 2018

They won't notice or care about the gradual change until it's too late.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
15. Zactly.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:39 PM
Aug 2018

I said something to this effect earlier. It has to hit them or their families.

As when I first heard Dick Cheney defending gays, I said "there is some gay person in his life." It always has to hit home with the thick-skull crowd.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
10. Right now a lot of people see upside and not downside
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 06:37 PM
Aug 2018

If you are an American, and you live in the Midwest, hotter longer summers and milder winters seem appealing.

Iwasthere

(3,168 posts)
12. Exactly! Here in Salem, Oregon it has rained twice so far this summer, and no end in sight.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:15 PM
Aug 2018

Going to be another hot fall here. Everything is so dry. Most are enjoying the 90 degree day, after day, after, day after day

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
19. YOur expereince is very diffirent from mine. I'm in Portland and no one I know has apppreciated the
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 08:39 PM
Aug 2018

90 + degree heat day after day. We broke a record for days over 90 this summer and everyone i talk to is hoping for rain and cooler temps. And they are concerned about the wider implications, but then Portland is much more liberal than Salem.

progree

(10,909 posts)
13. It's not just summer. In Minnesota we've been having these horrible polar vortexes in winter
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:15 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1)

that last a week or two. Thanks to the weakening of the jet stream and its boundaries (caused by faster warming of the Arctic compared to the middle latitudes thus reducing the temperature gradient of the two regions - allowing the jet stream to meander widely north and south. When it meanders south, it brings the Arctic air with it).

I've been here since 1977 (41 years). Used to be bitter cold winter periods. Then less so. Aww, nice. But then in about the last 8 years or so we've had 2 or 3 polar vortex outbreaks most winters, bringing Arctic air to our latitudes. I am seriously considering moving after having lived here 41 years. Mostly because of the driving hazards.

Yeah, I like that the other parts of winter are warmer than before, but regular Minnesota cold winter weather doesn't bother me; its the extreme cold spells that are the issue and they are becoming longer and more frequent.

progree

(10,909 posts)
17. As far as why so few care
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:50 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Wed Aug 29, 2018, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)

There is the total delusional faction that claims there is no warming -- the "warming hiatus that the liberal media won't talk about" blah blah blah. "The temperature measurements are skewed by the urban heat island effect", blah blah, whatever they find on the Internets and the webs. Sea level isn't rising because if you put ice cubes in a glass of water, the water level doesn't rise as the ice melts, blah blah.

For an example of this level of idiocy, there's an entertaining little dialog with Donna and Richard that I've posted here before https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1059&pid=7016

Most climate denial idiots do acknowledge warming is happening, but then argue that it's not human - caused but rather by increased solar activity or something else.

(Please see https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1059&pid=7017 for a short 6 minute video and "transcript" for some of the evidence that the warming is human-caused)

Then there is a third faction, who posted here in E&E a few days ago that says, yes, warming is happening and it's mostly human-caused. But but we've had lots of climate changes in the past thousands of years, it's more common than most of us were taught in school, some species do better and some worse, and blah blah, and besides it may be more good than harmful etc. etc.

Lots of excuses to go buy our Ford F150 Super Cab trucks (and never use them to haul anything except a bunch of junk that's stored in/on them year round, hurting gas mileage some more, but it makes us feel like a "real man" ), or running our air conditioners when it's one degree above perfect.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
22. Good ol' human nature in action . . . .
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:59 PM
Aug 2018

We're always ready to discount the future if it improves our standing in the present.

We're always ready to dismiss an unpleasant reality if a comforting lie provides greater emotional satisfaction.

We're unable to grasp time-scales worth a damn - for most people, it's enough of an effort to bear down and think two generations ahead - after grandchildren, things tend to fade from view.

We're addicted to the thought that we're in charge.

We're addicted to the idea that we're vastly important, if not the very center of a divinely ordained universe; we also love the corollary that somehow the "Essential Me" will somehow survive our deaths; knowing that, we can dismiss Earth as unimportant, compared to amazing, special us.

We may also (among those who've been paying attention) bear a sense of collective shame that we've known about this now as a full-on threat for 30 years - and nothing has materially changed. Every month the CO2 readings keep rising, every month, the oceans get a little more acidic, and we're still arguing about money.

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