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New Zealand vows to kill every weasel, rat and feral cat on its soil:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141530631#post9
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Killing off predators really fks up ecosystem.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)The ecosystem did just fine before they were introduced. The problem is that they eat the eggs and young of indigenous birds most of which aren't found anywhere else in the world.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)I live in New Zealand. There are major restrictions on the kinds of pets you can own. It's illegal to breed or sell gerbils or hamsters and most species of pet turtles even and ferrets and weasels are an absolute no. You can get multi-thousand dollar fines just for owning them.
boomer55
(592 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Maybe take a more open approach in investigating this issue.
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rickford66
(5,524 posts)One of my buddies was spooked by a garden hose until he realized there were no snakes. A bunch of us Navy Seabees were on temp duty in CH CH (1970-1971) and rented a luxurious ranch house cheaply because it was destined for demolition. Great country, great people, great in-laws too.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)NickB79
(19,257 posts)And the Maori drove them to extinction when they killed off the moa birds it fed upon 700 years ago.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)They would have me looking toward the sky, to be sure.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:23 AM - Edit history (3)
Short wings may have aided Haast's eagles when hunting in the dense scrubland and forests of New Zealand. Haast's eagle has sometimes been portrayed incorrectly as having evolved toward flightlessness, but this is not so; rather it represents a departure from the mode of its ancestors' soaring flight, toward higher wing loading and the species probably had very broad wings
Present estimate of Haast's Eagle size makes it about the size of a Wild Turkey (Which is know to fly through forest and trees and does NOT soar):
Hassat's Eagle Wight: 1015 kg (2233 lb) and males around 912 kg (2026 lb)
The wild Turkey tends to peak at 23 pounds (Domestic variation can go up to 80 pounds but domestic turkeys do NOT fly, wild turkey do and can), The Wild Turkey also does NOT soar, it flys among the trees not over them.
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Wild_Turkey/lifehistory
The top soaring Eagle it the Golden eagle, but it rarely weighs over 14 pounds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_eagle
The Haast's eagle rivals the Andean Condor in size:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_condor
And exceeds the size of the California Condor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_condor
and the Trumpeter Swan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeter_swan
The Condors, which existed throughout North American thousands of years ago, had retreated to the Mountains of the west while before any white man saw them (the first written report on the California Condors was from Lewis and Clark's expedition). This is believed do to a overall drop in wind speed, if a bird weighs more then about 30 pounds, it needs very strong muscles OR a strong wind. The Condors depend of a strong wind, The Haast's Eagle and Trumpeter Swan depends on muscle. Haast's Eagle also had the use of winds AND the fact it could stay on the ground for a long time period for it was the ONLY predator in New Zealand till after 1300 when the first people arrived. Thus it could stay on the ground to defend its kill from other Haast's eagle till a strong enough wind came along to help it into the air.
The King Vulture is more the size of a bird that does NOT need the wind to help it get air borne and it only weighs 10 pounds or less (Top weight of a King Vulture is just smaller then the Golden Eagle, and most King Vultures weigh more then most Golden Eagles):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_vulture
The heaviest flying bird today is the European Great Bustard, which can weigh up to 45 pounds (but most weigh less then 20 pounds). While it can fly, it prefers to run away from any danger if possible. This is due to its strong legs which is tied in with the muscles to its wings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_bustard
The Kori Bustard is almost as large as the Great Bustard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori_bustard
Another large bird is the Sarus Crane, but like the Bustard its nominal weight is about 20 pounds but can be as high as 26 pounds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarus_crane
While the Trumpeter Swan can "Soar" through the air, it is at the top end of that ability, most large birds just do not soar. Haast's Eagle hunting pattern was to go fly above the tall grass the pounce on its victim before it ever saw the eagle to attack. Thus it was an attack from above, but a short quick attack from tree top or lower heights NOT the soaring heights one associates with Eagles, Swans, Geese, Ducks and Vultures. i.e. more like a wild turkey in flight then any other eagle.