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[truedelphi]

Are needed.

For one thing, when did Lord Blackheath say these things? I can tell when it was posted on Youtube, but when was this speech actually made?

And has this been followed by any one in the media. Like The Guardian? It is something that would be right up Greg Palast's alley.

[truedelphi]

1. Hmm, someone doesn't want any DU'er to seek guidance?

funny how quickly someone would un'rec a topic.

Anyway the date of Blackheath's speech happens to be mid-Feb 2012.

For those who don't have DSL, the jist of what Black heath is saying is centered around this:

In April and May 2009, the situation started with the alleged transfer of $5 trillion to HSBC in the United Kingdom. Seven days later, another $5 trillion came to HSBC and three weeks later another $5 trillion. A total of $15 trillion is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland. We need to look to where this came from and the history of this money. I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and where it has come from for a long time.

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The above is quoted directly from Blackheath's YouTube comments .

there are already major resignations from the executive crowd at Bank of Scotland.

[Samantha]

19. What happened in 2006?

I am having a difficult time understanding this because the order of events is not presented chronologically (and this is not exactly my forte).

But I did hear this surfaced with a Federal Reserve audit, and that it was the branch of the Federal Reserve in NY which conducted the transactions (at least I believe I heard that).

But I also remember another story reported some time ago (not connected with this series of events) which related the fact that the Federal Reserve opened up the spigot right after the crash and loaned banks all over the world 16 trillion dollars. Do you think that is connected to this?

Any clarification you provide will be greatly appreciated because I need to understand these stories from the beginning or I get lost.

Sam

[truedelphi]

21. There was some nine to fifteen (or sixteen trillions) of dollars

Uncovered by the small little audit that was allowed due to Sen Sanders of Vt and the efforts that led to the minor audit of the Fed.

Although the business dealings that were uncovered, including the trillions of dollars "loaned" from the Fed to the Big Banks globally were not small little deals, the audit itself was considered a tiny audit because the Fed's books were opened regarding only a very brief bit of time( or history) of its dealings. The people who control the Federal Reserve really don't want anyone knowing much at all about how it operates.

I put the word "loaned" in quotes because the monies involving the trillions are basically gifts to the banks. The Federal Reserve handed out US dollars, and the banks paid the Fed back with a series of books of bad investments.

Sort of like if you or I could pay for our mortgages with last year's yellow pages. Except the yellow pages have value - a person can use last year's yellow pages to locate a business and talk on the phone to the owner of said business. The bank investments offered up to the Fed as Collateral are garbage, pure and simple.

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. Unrec?

"funny how quickly someone would un'rec a topic."

Ummmm...Unrec doesn't exist anymore.

Not that it shouldn't.

Nobody unrec'd anything.

But if it ever was needed, ......

[BeHereNow]

25. If you don't like the thread- use the "Trash Can" feature-

WE are having a discussion and you have not
contributed anything on these threads other than
snarky remarks.

"But if it ever was needed, ...... "

We get it- so why don't you just move along if
you have nothing other than mocking remarks to contribute?

BHN

[A HERETIC I AM]

26. What the hell are you talking about?

"WE are having a discussion and you have not
contributed anything on these threads other than
snarky remarks."

"These threads"?!? This is the first post I have put up in this forum in weeks! I responded to someone who said this thread was unrecc'd. There is NO UNREC FEATURE! How is pointing that out "Snarky"?

Does it make you feel better to talk to me like an outraged Schoolmarm?

Sorry, BHN, but after the famous thread of 2 years ago, anything YOU are outraged about is either a non-issue or funny.

This is both.

Remember this?:

FIFTEEN TRILLION!!

[BeHereNow]

28. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002513641#post27

BHN

[A HERETIC I AM]

30. I see. So the "These threads" includes this one here and the other you put up in General Discussion

in which you implore the rest of the DU membership to have their "Heads UP!" which has been basically PANNED by it's readership and has since fallen off the 1st page and now I notice you have indeed edited the title to read "OK, Not so explosive after all". Is that it?

Are you under the impression you have started some great conversation on this subject? A subject I might add that has NO basis in any fact and seems little more than the ramblings of a paranoid old British Gentleman.

Please know this;

No one single person on this planet is a Trillionaire. Not one. The richest man on the planet, Carlos Slim of Mexico would need another NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS to get to be the first trillionaire.

No single person can call up, send, leverage or order to be delivered 15 trillion, much less 36 trillion.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING HAPPEN.

Those facts alone should have told you this story was bullshit.

Please don't scold me like an offended high school history teacher when it is in fact YOU who have made the mistake here.

The poster "TrueDelphi" is just as wrong as you are in this regard, as he seems to think these kinds of large transfers can be done willy nilly and under the table. He's wrong, you are wrong and the entire idea is so absurd as to walk itself right off a cliff. It is clear that neither of you understand how banking works, what an overnight loan is and why they are used, and seem to think that there are nasty demons lurking in the corner or even at the table in every board room on the planet.

[BeHereNow]

2. WOW!!! This guy better stay off small planes!

The content of his presentation is EXPLOSIVE.
Strange how the few listeners there are, seem to have
NO interest or reaction to the information he is giving them.
WTH is up with that?
And how is it possible that, like you say, NO media or follow up?
What the hell is going on?

I loved his remark,
when referring to the Fed, "which has three names, none of which are true."

Federal Reserve Bank...LOL great snark Lord Blackheath!

Why am I not surprised to hear Greenspan and Geitner are involved?
As well as several of the usual suspect banking "institutions."

And who the hell is the guy with 36 trillion?
Riardi? (sp?) And what is up with the gold?

So many questions and apparently no one is talking about it except this guy.

Thanks TD- Since the date is fairly recent on his talk, maybe there
is some one some where working on it?

Please let me know if you find anything else.

Something is rotten in Denmark, that's for certain.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

3. hey TD! found a GREAT blog on this-

Explains why so few are in the room and gives a tidy summation
at the end of the blog:
http://sirratatap.com/category/banking/2-19-12-corrupt-banking-at-the-highest-levels/

"Okay so in closing we have to remember:
Blackheath has laid out a full report on his investigations and is asking parliment to step in and set up a committee to look into this.

Hardly anyone from parliament stayed to listen to him – wonder why.

Riyadi says he was scammed and did not take 500M for his 15T in Treasury Notes – Who would?

The Federal Reserve has 15T to loan on books from the Riyadi transfer so it does a loan to Barlcays Bank of London and the Royal bank of Scotland of London

Blackheath does some unearthing and produces original copies of documents supporting his claims of this money transfer.
Money could not have been transferred through IMF if guidelines were followed and Treasury is not aware of this kind of transfer yet receipts for this transfer are real.

No one seems to know where the money is but it is on the books an potentially undermining London’s banking system and being used as leverage for a payout – to who is the question – the Federal Reserve????

Some things to ponder. Just last week a CEO of Royal Bank of Scotland resigns. The IMF director was replaced by Christine Lagarde not long ago. Iran just stopped sales of oil to the UK. It is suggested that the UK and the Federal Reserve have a relationship deeper than a mother and a daughter. Put this together with the fact that this is just one of how many of these that have or are going on and you might now know why so many bankers are resigning. Fraud is being exposed and arrests are happening all over the globe as we speak……..
Most importantly, if Riyadi was frauded and wanted to turn in his 15T for cash out immediately, who would be bankrupt overnight? Who would own the US?

Hope this helps you understand some of what 6th floor has been doing for a while now and is still doing. It is a major house cleaning going on and had to be done before our RV. Otherwise the bad guys would have the ability to further their agenda with the RV windfall – ain’t gonna happen. You have yet to hear the names of the US folks that are going down and soon…….You will be surprised!!!!?


Wow, no words...
This should be the cover story on EVERY publication in the world!
How do we draw DUer attention to this?
It is HUGE.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

4. Holy Shite TD- Bush involvement...Surprise, Surprise.

People are going to go down when this all comes out-
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/21/intel-exclusive-trillion-dollar-terror-exposed/

"WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM
There is no record of the Federal Reserve being authorized to “create” $15 trillion, equal to the entire national debt of the United States. There is, however, proof that funds that totalled, at one time, $27 trillion had been earned surreptitiously, disposed of as part of an intelligence operation against the Soviet Union and then later stolen with accusations made against George H. W. Bush as being the perpetrator.
I have spoken with two individuals, one President Reagan’s intelligence coordinator and the other Chief Legal Cousel for the Central Intelligence Agency regarding these funds. Both have indicated that former President Bush had asked that these funds, totalling $27 trillion, be transferred to his control, that threats were made by Bush and that many involved in this operation suffered, issues including murder, illegal arrest, torture and detention among them.
The individuals I am speaking of repeatedly met with President Bush over these funds, disputed his claim to them, and indicate that the majority of the funds are the property of the people of the United States."

Holy shit, holy shit...

BHN

[malaise]

5. It was in the UK independent

We had two threads in GD

[truedelphi]

22. Good t o know - I'll check out the Independent piece and

Also try and find the DU discussion.

[Uncle Joe]

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, truedelphi.

[CJCRANE]

7. Here's what the Indepedent said about it:

And an alert Financial Times blogger said that had Lord James googled "Yohannes Riyadi", the first item to come up would be a warning from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York that the name is part of an internet scam designed to get money from the gullible.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/diary/diary-bercow-calls-for-root-n-branch-change-on-trees-7439892.html

[BeHereNow]

9. Thanks CJC-

I was really wondering why there had not been an uproar about it-
guess that is why?

Mysterious to say the least- I'm so confused I don't know what to think!

BHN

[CJCRANE]

14. I think Lord Blackheath is...um, slightly 'eccentric'...

the other lords are probably letting him blather on due to deference. I looked him up on Wikipedia and his last speech was about 'Foundation X', some mysterious institution which approached him (again about large sums of money).

However, $15 trillion was about the amount the Fed gave out cumulatively in secret loans to prop up the global financial system so I can see why this would ring alarm bells, but I think it's just a coincidence in this case...

[BeHereNow]

16. Eccentric doesn't make him wrong necessarily. I'm still researching it for myself.

Downthread, I posted about another whistleblower who was warned
by Wanta about exposing the Bankster involvements with the
drug cartels...He was dead within a month and attempting to
report things totally in line with the Blackheath's story...
Yikes.

BHN

[CJCRANE]

18. I agree, don't rule anything out...

some things that appear to be ridiculous turn out to be true. It's certainly true that there's a lot of funny money floating around the world, like in this story in the NYT:


Brother, Can You Spare $6 Trillion?

February 17, 2012

ROME — The Italian police on Friday arrested eight people on charges related to the seizure of $6 trillion in fake United States Treasury bonds, in a mysterious scheme that stretched from Hong Kong to Switzerland to the southern Italian region of Basilicata.

The value of the seized bonds is in the neighborhood of half of the United States’ entire public debt of $15.36 trillion, but only the uninitiated would have accepted them as real securities. Rather than counterfeit, they were what officials call fictitious, printed in 6,000 units of $1 billion each, a denomination that does not exist and the equivalent of $3 bills, American officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/world/europe/italy-arrests-8-in-fake-us-treasury-bonds-scam.html

[truedelphi]

20. Youa re aware that Wikipedia is very tightly controlled -

Your chance s of getting to create a post about Lord Blackheath are much greater if you are coming from a pro-establishment view of the man, than an anti-disestablishment point of view.

Wikipedaia made sure I was booted out of a topic that I knew a great deal more about than most people in the world -the excuse being that I hadn't made any posts prior to the one I was attempting. The topic I was attempting to add to involved the life, times and death of a friend of mine. But only the RW'ers who hated the individual got to tell his tale.

[fascisthunter]

8. Holy Shit.... he needs to be protected

I can hear the fear in his voice and I'm sure the psychopaths can too. It is time we worked together to help and protect those that are willing to stick their necks out.

[BlueIris]

11. Yeah, really.

Last edited Wed Apr 4, 2012, 12:10 AM - Edit history (1)

If true, this person could be in deep...poo for speaking about it.

[FarLeftFist]

12. A 15 trillion dollar fraud, the American 15 trillion dollar debt...

A 15 trillion dollar fraud, the American 15 trillion dollar debt, and the Fed is secretly owned by the Bank of England (which in turn is owned by the infamous Rothschild & Schroder families).

[BeHereNow]

13. People are ridiculing this story, but upon further reading, I don't think they should.

Another whistle blower is dead-
A guy named Christopher Story who apparently revealed
much of the same information; still looking into his "death"
(more like murder is likely) trying to find out more about him
and others connected to it.

It would make sense that the media would try to dismiss
the whole thing- which apparently they have.

People have pointed out that the Riyada character is a email hoaxer, but
in my assessment, the rest of the story appears to be true.

Just too many questions left in my mind.
And the pile on of "this is bullshit" posters who I've never
even seen on DU before makes me even more suspicious...
BHN

[FarLeftFist]

17. No I'm not ridiculing it at all. I'm being serious. Read on...

Today, the price of gold is still fixed, twice a day at 10.30 am and 3.00 pm at the premises of N M Rothschild by the world's main Bullion Houses - Deutsche Bank, HSBC, ScotiaMocatta and Societe Generale. Informally, the gold fixing provides a recognized rate that is used as a benchmark for pricing the majority of gold products and derivatives throughout the world's markets. Every day at 10.30 and 15.00 local time, five representatives of investment banks meet in a small room at Rothschild's London headquarters on St Swithin's Lane. In the centre is the chairperson, who is by tradition appointed by the Rothschild bank.

^^^^Above is factual data taken from wikipedia. More on that later.

I found this about Yohannes Riyadi: http://id.linkedin.com/pub/yohannes-riyadi/33/636/779

Yohannes Riyadi
Owner, PT. YR Investama Mulia Sejati

Location
Greater Jakarta Area, Indonesia
Industry
Business Supplies and Equipment

-According to employee info the company has notoriously hired professional hackers and print-forgers onto their payroll. Keep connecting the dots.

Which led me to this, the company website which specializes in a mish-mash of ventures: http://yrims.com/

Which then led to this msg board where ppl are discussing this very topic, scroll down for quotes and notice the connection to gold: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread812667/pg2

One poster goes on to state:
"$6 Trillion US bonds were found in three metal boxes in a warehouse in the Swiss city of Zurich. Italian authorities have arrested eight people and are investigating them for fraud and other crimes."

Which eventually led me to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

[BeHereNow]

23. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I thought YOU were ridiculing the story, not at all!

Quite the opposite in fact!

It annoys me sometimes that upon first glance, a certain percentage of
DU yells "CT."

The preferred method of the PTB.
If someone is even remotely close to the truth, they
are immediately called a CT-er.

Thanks for the links!
I will read them all.

The fact that so many are calling the guy crazy etc...
makes me even more curious-

BHN

[BeHereNow]

15. By the end of the month- he was indeed dead...

http://www.worldreports.org/news/295_big_u.s._banks_confirmed_as_criminal_enterprises


"The following Bloomberg report indicates that, at long last, some 'mainstream' reporters have managed to lift themselves off their brains and to start exposing the truth. Separately, we have been exposing drug-trafficking operations in our title The Latin American Times, and continue to do so. You may also be interested to know that before his 'switch', following the 'bait' during which he stole the Editor's $35,000 LOAN which should have been repaid at arms' length plus 7% per annum for two years, on 11th June 2007, Wanta told the Editor: 'If you expose the drug traffickers, they will kill you'. We listed that threat among the 37 threats against the Editor so far received."

Do note that Wanta is named in the other article from the VA times...

TPTB always try to silence the whistleblowers by labeling them as CT nuts, even here on DU.
I think this is being done to anyone even remotely close to the truth.

Granted there ARE some kooks out there, but I believe in researching the claims
for myself and not just caving into the "CT" labelers.


BHN

[truedelphi]

31. Actually a spokesperson for the Parliament states he is still

Alive. The place that brought about the rumor that Lord Blackheath died was a site involved with Benjamin Fulford proclamations.

I find some of what Fulford states to be of interest, but other information he portrays as the truth is beyond belief.

[BeHereNow]

32. No not Blackheath, Christopher Story.

I was referring to Christopher Story who was warned (by Wanta) not to
reveal the bankster connections with the SoAm drug cartels
he did and within the month was dead.

Hmmm.

BHN

[truedelphi]

33. I apologize. I skipped the post where you

referred to Christopher Story.

Although I have to admit, sometimes when people are using a pronoun rather than a name, their words do end up in confusion.

[Trillo]

27. Missing dates are a very curious phenomenon all around the Internet.

With technology as advanced as it is, one can only presume non-visible and/or missing dates of creation are intended.

[truedelphi]

29. I did find out that Blackheath addressed Parliament

mid-February of 2012.

His speech concerned activities of 2009.

The part of the date discussion I am now unclear on is if the paperwork Blackheath is detailing was created in 2009, the actual banking activities occur at a later date - say, late 2009, and throughout 2010?

The audit of the Fed I discuss in one of my posts above overlaps some of these possible dates of activity. But Bernanke already explained to Sixty Minutes that his dealing with the global financial crisis meant he creates digital accounts, and put digital dollars into those accounts. I am not sure if the 15 to 16 trillions of dollars the brief and one time audit of the Fed Reserve has determined to be missing concerns the same fifteen to sixteen trillions dollars or a different set.

I mean, if I was in charge, there would only be one 16 trillion dollar amount to deal with (As I think having a budget is rather a good notion.) But these Top Dog Money Players treat 15 to 16 trillions of dollars the way I treat thirty cents! So I simply cannot figure out how to determine any of this.