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karynnj

(59,504 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:58 PM Nov 2015

Kerry/Lavrov and the UN may have created a plan that allows a resolution of the bloody civil war

This was clearly done with Obama's blessing. I watched some of the press conference on this - Kerry's part mostly - and it is really complicated, but it seems to give a path way for moderate rebels to join the political process that will ultimately produce both a new constitution and new elections.

What is fascinating is watching the reactions - and noting the similarities to the discussions on Iran. Here is a link to a blog written by someone at Brookings. Scroll down to the the second post - that starts by praising Kerry. It is pretty patronizing - referring to the Iran negotiation as "controversial". he then likes Kerry's work in Afghanistan, but then gets to his real intent -- arguing against what Obama/Kerry have agreed to on Syria. (Giving away that, like Iran, this new work on Syria, IS not the neocon/neo liberal agenda.) Then scroll back to the top and read his new post -- where he brings in the attacks in Paris to be should be used as 911 was.) http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/11/13-kerry-counterproductive-syria-strategy-ohanlon

Yet, another op positions the plan as if it came out of the Paris attacks -- even though the plan is essentially what both the Obama administration and Russia proposed at the last meeting with more details worked out -- but with many remaining. Many on DU, positioned it as the US caving to Russia --- Here's the thread -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1260440

I would suggest that this may be Obama/Kerry taking advantage of fact that neither face reelection and there are no midterms coming up. Hillary Clinton has already divorced herself from Obama on Syria, so there is no reason to think their efforts to end the fighting will reflect badly on her -- though if it works, then we can expect that she will claim that she was part of the Obama administration.

I think of the claims that we "owe" our rebels our greater involvement (when the first involvement was pushed by the same people!) a case of throwing good money after bad -- only worse as it costs lives, theirs and ours. I responded on the thread, but realize that the entire topic is unlikely to get much attention - as both the Democrats and Republicans may need time to determine their position. Because Obama needs no consent to move forward on this -- and, like Iran, it is an international effort -- this lack of visibility might be a good thing. (Note that NONE of the Democrats even mentioned the effort in their answers on Paris. I am kind of surprised O'Malley didn't -- it could fit well with his other (intelligence/law enforcement comments. HRC is doubling down on the fact that she wanted to be more aggressive on Syria - so she is more likely to listen to the neo cons than Kerry/Obama on this possible path out.)

At any rate, I found listening to Kerry (as usual) more reassuring than anyone on the stage last night as they spoke of foreign policy. For one, we know what motivates him - and it is peace. (edited to add - here's the link to the text of Kerry's statement - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/11/249515.htm , the video is on State.gov front page. )

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Kerry/Lavrov and the UN may have created a plan that allows a resolution of the bloody civil war (Original Post) karynnj Nov 2015 OP
Your words, "At any rate, I found... YvonneCa Nov 2015 #1
Thank goodness he's at state now and not her. Who knows how many more wars we'd be fighting onecaliberal Nov 2015 #2
For sure. mylye2222 Nov 2015 #6
Thanks for this - MBS Nov 2015 #3
it may be an odd thing to say for a man who ran for President karynnj Nov 2015 #4
you're right n/t MBS Nov 2015 #5

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
1. Your words, "At any rate, I found...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

...listening to Kerry (as usual) more reassuring than anyone on the stage last night as they spoke of foreign policy. For one, we know what motivates him - and it is peace."
I couldn't have said it better, karynnj. Thank you for this post. 🇺🇸

MBS

(9,688 posts)
3. Thanks for this -
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:35 AM
Nov 2015

In his interview with Stephanopoulos this week (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-interview-transcript-president-barack-obama/story?id=35203825), Obama refers to Sec. Kerry's "outstanding work" on Syria.
Which it is.

(and, yes, the one thing that irritates me the most about HRC is her eagerness to take credit for things - often exaggerating her role and diminishing that of others - as in the Osama Bin Laden capture (Saturday's debate) and Iran deal (her earlier comments on the campaign trail). I also agree that if the Syria accord works, she will leap in to take credit for that, too. But it is clearly Kerry who will deserve credit for that. Fingers crossed this Syria plan will be successful).

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
4. it may be an odd thing to say for a man who ran for President
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
Nov 2015

And was then willing to run again, but I suspect that at this point, he is far more concerned with war and peace. He and his peers and people important to him know what he has accomplished - including Pope Francis.

I hope the Syria effort actually holds and leads to most if Syria being able to start rebuilding to become a place where people can live. That is more important than whether Putin, Obama, Kerry, Lavrov, the UN or Clinton claim credit for it. In fact, I would be happy if Clinton did note that both Kerry and Lavrov cited the 2012 Geneva agreement. It would mean that she thinks it has a real chance to work and she was involved with that agreement.

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