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politicasista

(14,128 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:18 AM Apr 2013

Does the WH/Obama really have total control...

over who SOS Kerry can select for jobs at the State dept? That seems unfair that his predecessor HRC got to bring her own staff without the WH input (if that is true).

Best wishes on his trip to Asia (the NK thing seems kinda creepy), and hope that things in Foggy Bottom can get moving soon.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/02/nobody_home_at_the_state_department

Read that FP was "moderate," but if this a conservative/RW link, site, will delete it.

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Mass

(27,315 posts)
1. FP is fine. And, as far as I can see, it blames Obama as much or more as it blames Kerry.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:03 AM
Apr 2013

Quite a few people left with HRC because they were Clinton's people, who were more interested by being seen with her than with foreign policy. Others left for better opportunities after 4 years.

I understand why some people would want all these positions manned quickly, but the truth is that you do not find that many competent people (particularly if not being connected to the WH and the Clintons is a worry for Kerry) that quickly. (and do not discount that some friends of Ms Rice may be doing some sabotage as well at the WH level.).

I would not worry about the article, which is more a warning call than anything else, and hopefully, will catch the eye of the White House and make them move.

Two points I find more problematic in this report than the latitude Kerry has to name his people (this is more of the same "he is not Clinton" crap).

a/ I am not familiar with Chris Nelson, who seems to be largely the basis for this report. He is well known in Asian policy circles, but it is hard to know what his motives are. (which does not mean that there are not too many seats empty at the State Department. I was surprised that the nominations did not go any faster, even if Kerry has been largely absent throughout March).

b/ I really dislike the notion that Ms Nuland is gaining influence. Hell, she was one of Cheney foreign policy advisers. Her BIL is one of the architects of the Iraq War. Her husband is a neo-con. It is Clinton who named her where she is. If anything, I took the notion that she was replaced by Psaki as positive. I certainly do not like the idea that Nuland and people like her may gain power, in particular in these dangerous times.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
9. Frankly, I am surprised that he would go. He is out in three months.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:04 PM
Apr 2013

Frankly, this seems like money that is not well spent. He would be better off working on domestic issues. (No offense to him, he seems like a good guy and maybe some day he will try politics for real).

Anyway, I doubt there is a relationship between the two.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
12. That's true
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:30 PM
Apr 2013

Maybe he is trying to get some overseas experience in case he enters politics. Looks like he is on the Agricultural committee and working on legislation for the fisherman, but that was a month ago, so we may see/hear more after the recess.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
3. As to JK having less latitude, I doubt that is really completely true - on EITHER side
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

In 2009, there were stories that HRC wanted career diplomats in cities like London and Rome instead of people who were politically connected. In fact, as POLITICAL people were appointed by Bill Clinton for 8 years, the whispered complaint was because they were Obama people - not hers. Sussman, the London ambassador was a big financial person for both Kerry and Obama. He was from Chicago, with a home on Nantucket. He suggested JK check out this young state Senator who was then trying to get the Democratic nomination. JK saw him - and by then the favorite for that nomination was out and Obama was likely to win. After he won the Senate nomination, JK asked him to give that speech. The Rome ambassador, who speaks fluent Italian and whose dad administered the Marshall Plan in Rome when he was young, is JK's best friend and former brother-in law, David Thorne. (In fact, if you look at the prime European posts, most have JK connections - which was obvious in the 2009 confirmations. This makes sense as when JK opted out, most of his fundraisers went to Obama - and these posts were their reward.)

It is true that HRC brought in people from the Clinton administration - like Jack Lew, but there were others like Samantha Powers, who were clearly not HRC people. There ARE people that JK brought in - like David Wade, his Senate chief of staff and Frank Lowenstein, the son of Allard Lowenstein, who JK had as a foreign policy adviser in 2004 and then on his Senate staff.

I assume that JK will keep more of the political State Department people than HRC did. The reason is obvious. HRC replaced REPUBLICANS. JK is taking over from HRC. I doubt he would fire anyone who is doing a good job - and they might, in fact, be the same people that he would have hired had he come in in 2009. They are Democratic foreign policy people.

I do think the comment on positions not being filled yet is a problem, but the reality is that he has been there 2 months. It is likely that many left when Clinton did -- or if the positions were empty earlier, why not question why HRC did not fill them? (Could be she thought it presumptuous as she was leaving or it could be that for the last months, she was really incapacitated more than we were told.) I would think that it might be hard to define the positions, find candidates, do background checks needed for clearance and hire people. IF FP is correct that JK has less freedom to pick them -- it also means that he shares responsibility with the WH in filling these positions. One thing to remember is that it is likely WORSE to pick someone who is not good in haste rather than to pick people more slowly.

FP is not at all RW - I think the particular writer might have an agenda with that comment, but I think what I said in the last paragraph more likely.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
6. The writer brought up
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:29 PM
Apr 2013

that there is also some negotiating involved. Applicants mentioned to him that they have applied for positions at State and haven't heard anything, but there are very interested. Not that the GOP obstruction has anything to do with this, but it is hurting Obama and his administration in terms of getting second-term things done.

As to why they aren't questioning HRC, can't have too much negative press if you are looking ahead (Way too early to be talking about 2016), which is why Bill is desperate to get his Black card back by speaking at Howard U next month.

In addition to the SOS Kerry people, Also might add, the "reported" appointment of Caroline Kennedy as Ambassador to Japan is also interesting. (Back to the Clinton vs Kennedy wing of the Democratic Party).

Valid points.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
7. To me, this is inside politics - for lack of a better word
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

It is over who gets these assignments. It is not as if the departments have no one running them. They do. They have the career foreign service people, who likely do the bulk of the real work anyway - temporarily heading the organizations.

The author is a foreign policy writer, whose sources are the people wanting these jobs. It is not clear to me what is not getting done. In fact, you ignore that Obama has had some foreign policy success this term. He/Kerry helped Turkey and Israel reestablish relations. I suspect that some of his sources want to insure that Kerry does not outshine Hillary as SOS or completely eliminate any lingering views that Rice would have been a better choice.

Now, if this were June and there were many ambassadors not confirmed and many assistant secretaries not named, then there would be an issue. But the fact is Kerry has been SOS for just two months - and he has excelled as the top diplomat.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
8. not meaning to overlook Obama's foreign policy successes this term
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

In fact, that he and Kerry have gotten things done in the Middle East is progress. Just noting that the GOP will stop at nothing to give Obama and his administration a hard time (i.e. cabinet appointees and issues like gun control, immigration, voting rights, climate change, etc).

IDK how the State Dept. works, other than that it was listed somewhere as the best place to work (or best jobs in DC).

Mass

(27,315 posts)
10. Your comments confuse me.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:08 PM
Apr 2013

a/ Few people doubt of Kerry's diplomatic chops, at least among those who know what they are talking about. He had done diplomatic missions before becoming SoS.
b/As for outshining Hillary, it is a little bit contradictory to both worry about his diplomatic chops and worry he will outshine HRC.

Another point: I happened to listen to the state department briefing today, just to see if anybody was raising the issue. Guess what. None of these reporters who care about these issues asked the question, so it does not seem to be a big deal, just some inside baseball, and you can indeed wonder what are the motives of those who planted this story.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
11. Small correction
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:24 PM
Apr 2013

after seeing your post. Was posting about two things, but they collided.


Sounds like no big deal, apologies.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
13. On a completely different topic, I wonder if Ayanna Pressley is considering running for Mayor of
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:37 PM
Apr 2013

Boston.

It would be exciting to see a younger woman run for this position. Way too many men running for my taste.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
14. Heard she sent out an e-mail
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:45 PM
Apr 2013

that started to sound like she is exploring.. and "embark on a new adventure" and end with "doing something never dreamed possible..singing in public." . She is going to be singing at a local Gospel Brunch. Good tease.

There is an Asian lady (I think her name is Wu), Jackson (the other Black councilman), and Arroyo (think he is Hispanic) may run. The more woman the better.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
15. Dan Conley and martin Walsh are also running
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013
http://bostonglobe.com/2013/04/02/city-councilor-felix-arroyo-tells-supporters-considering-boston-mayoral-run/65USDh8BhuYHC23j14atoO/story.html

Sonia Chang-Diaz is not running. Wu is not running for mayor, but for At Large City Council. To my knowledge, at this point, there are no women running for Mayor. Not surprising for Boston, but still a shame.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
16. Yep. She is expecting.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:09 PM
Apr 2013

That's right, Wu is running for ALCC, not mayor. (from a TN citizen clueless about MA/Boston politics ), and the rest are men. That is a shame, if she were to run Pressley would be the only woman.

Progress is slow, but every little bit helps.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
17. A skeleton crew, but a good crew that Kerry trusts.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:54 PM
Apr 2013

For all the people Clinton brought in, she accomplished very little. IMO.

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