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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:54 PM Oct 2012

Why Venezuela's Neighbors Are Hoping For A Chavez Win Sunday

Why Venezuela's Neighbors Are Hoping For A Chavez Win Sunday
By Flavia Marreiro
FOLHA DE S. PAULO/Worldcrunch

SÃO PAULO - When Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos met with Hugo Chávez’s opponent Henrique Capriles, recently in Bogotá, the Venezuelan opposition brandished the pictures like a trophy.

In effect, this meeting was a rare achievement in a region where Chávez maintains a close strategic relationship with his neighbors, and is hailed as a benefactor by the countries to which he sells oil at bargain rates.

Most of Latin America is hoping for Chávez to stay in power after next Sunday’s election. Besides former rival Colombia, countries such as Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, Nicaragua and Cuba want him to win as easily as possible, to avoid any turbulence in the region.

The only exception in the region is Paraguay, who opposed Venezuela’s entry into Mercosur this summer. Venezuela’s admission into the trading bloc was made possible thanks to Paraguay’s temporary suspension after its president was impeached.

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Why Venezuela's Neighbors Are Hoping For A Chavez Win Sunday (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2012 OP
Does it look like there will be a clean election Sunday? hrmjustin Oct 2012 #1
Jimmy Carter has described Venezuelan elections under Chavez as the cleanest in the world. Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #2
I heard that Chavez is favored to win in a close race. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #3
From the little I know tama Oct 2012 #5
I agree. I think of Capriles as the air-brushed, USAID candidate. Peace Patriot Oct 2012 #15
"The Chavez government hasn't really been in power that long" joshcryer Oct 2012 #17
selective amnensia? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #22
Chavez and the Boligarchs are good friends. joshcryer Oct 2012 #23
wealthy ranch owners cannot tolerate even the thought of world without inequality. SESKATOW Oct 2012 #25
You mean Hugo Chavez, right? How many boligarchs has Chavez arrested for campesino murders? joshcryer Oct 2012 #26
Wonder why these murders are never mention in your right wing media? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #27
Even Venezuela Analysis and other left wing sites can't provide... joshcryer Oct 2012 #28
So you agree and what "left wing" sites? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #29
Hi, Seskatow. Just saw your post, and glanced at a couple of the responses. Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #30
no, they just changed the ballot so that some who vote for where Capriles picture is located Bacchus4.0 Oct 2012 #6
What's the Paraguay story? tama Oct 2012 #4
he was impeached after a deadly riot where numerous peasants and police were killed Bacchus4.0 Oct 2012 #7
Fernando Lugo's exit after Paraguay 'coup' a setback for development Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #8
Why was Lugo tama Oct 2012 #10
Lugo wasn't naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #11
Lugo likes Chavez very much, invited him to his inauguration, worked for Venezuela Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #12
Latin American leaders reject Paraguay 'coup' Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #9
Paraguay's fascists used the Honduran template--a fake "constitutional crisis"-- Peace Patriot Oct 2012 #13
Thanks everybody tama Oct 2012 #14
Paraguay is hopeless then.. naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #16
The Colorado Party which has completely controlled Paraguay over 61 years IS fascist. Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #18
Right, but here is the question, naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #19
no, they weren't of course. his liberal coalition abandoned him n/t Bacchus4.0 Oct 2012 #20
The fascists (the Colorado Party) still rules the country, obviously. They are entrenched. Peace Patriot Oct 2012 #21
answers naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #24

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
2. Jimmy Carter has described Venezuelan elections under Chavez as the cleanest in the world.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:06 PM
Oct 2012

That's good enough for me.

Their elections are attended by monitors from all over the world, unlike ours. Plenty of witnesses.

They also have, and use far more steps of re-checking and verifying than the U.S.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
5. From the little I know
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:15 PM
Oct 2012

"Moderate" who says he supports Brazilian model, but if you scratch, under that surface is just another neoliberal whore. Venezuela has been drifting left, and openly conservative candidate would stand no chance.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
15. I agree. I think of Capriles as the air-brushed, USAID candidate.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

Slick, photogenic "wolf in sheep's clothing."

Somebody leaked his rightwing coalition's secret platform, which basically will dismantle Venezuela's "New Deal." In public, he claims to support Chavez social programs.

He reminds me of Reagan in some ways. I was never fooled by Reagan, but many were, and, with the Corporate 'News' moguls peeing in their pants in their excitement about the re-write of the tax code, deregulation of the savings & loans, deficit spending for the rich, dismantling of environmental protections, "Star Wars" (war profiteer) spending, slaughter of teachers and mayors and other advocates of the poor in Latin America (including the slaughter of 200,000 Mayan villagers in Guatemala), and other Reagan "new day in America" wonders, how could he lose?

Venezuelan voters, however, are a lot smarter than our voters. They've learned the hard way. The bankster looting expedition happened there and throughout Latin America before it happened here. And, when they tried to do something about it, in Venezuela--elect an FDR-like president, Hugo Chavez, and institute major political and economic reform--they were not only hit with a U.S.-backed rightwing coup d'etat, but with a coup d'etat that was instigated and supported by the Corporate Media, who, when the coupsters had kidnapped the elected president, forbade any members of the elected government from appearing on TV! (So much for "free speech"! Really, it is a cruel joke in the mouths of the Corporate Media.)

So-o-o, Venezuelans don't pay much attention to the Corporate 'News' Media, and they not only peacefully defended their democracy against the coup, but have repeatedly elected their "New Deal" government to act on their behalf, and give it very high marks for doing so. (Recent Gallup Wellness poll reveals that Venezuelans rated their own country fifth in the world on their own well-being and future prospects.)

Venezuelans are also aware that they helped inspire the vast leftist democracy revolution that surged through South America and into Central America, following theirs. And they are aware, also, of the importance of the new political/economic alliances that have arisen between governments with leftist leaders and in new region-wide organizations. Strength-in-numbers is important when dealing with U.S. power and inclination to smash their democracies into dust on behalf of transglobal corporations and war profiteers.

I don't think it's going to be close. The recent Mitofsky-Mexico study of the 12 major polls in Latin America rated Chavez the fourth most popular leader in all of the Americas, with a 64% average approval rating. The approximate/average numbers in recent presidential election polls are Chavez 50%, Capriles 35%, with a large number of undecideds, but Chavez will probably win the majority of undecideds because of his very high approval rating.

The Corporate 'Views' Media has gone ALL OUT, here and there, with as many negative, anti-Chavez headlines as they can come up with, and, of course, NOT A SINGLE story--NOT ONE!--about the Chavez government's achievements and WHY Venezuelans vote for Chavez and give him such a high approval rating. Not even a sentence in a story. Not even a half sentence. The UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean designated Venezuela "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution, for instance. Nothing. Nada. The Corporate Media Black Hole swallows up important stories like that and sends them to another universe, where they can't emit any light.

Maybe this will get to Venezuelan voters--that the rest of the world (um, the Corporate Media and the U.S. State Dept.) thinks the government they like so much is shit. People do get beat down, sometimes, under the hammer of Corporate "Big Lie" propaganda. Our own people are a good example of it. But, a) Venezuela has an honest, transparent election system, which has given the people a sense of empowerment, unlike our own system, which keeps turning up extremely puzzling and extremely discouraging results (hm, wonder why); b) the Chavez government's achievements are REAL--on equitable income, on education, on health care, etc.--and Venezuelans obviously know this is true, and feel it every day; and c) the Chavez government has done a lot to improve public access to the public airwaves and thus there are alternative, people-run conduits of information, to counter the non-stop crap from the local Corporate and transglobal Corporate propaganda organs.

So I have more reason to believe that Venezuelans will elect the Chavez government for a third term, by a significant margin, than I do that Obama will get the the mandate that he needs, or that Obama will be elected at all. Our system is extremely riggable and anything can happen. Venezuela's system is quite sound--one of the best in the world, according to Jimmy Carter's recent statement (and according to other election monitoring groups and my own researches). It will likely reflect--or come close to reflecting--Chavez's approval rating.

Another thing: Interest and public participation are sky high, unlike here. I just read a report on this from an English observer. Venezuela's streets and squares are flooded with non-stop, passionate political activity--everyone is involved, unlike here. Nobody gets banned from voting in Venezuela, unlike here where large swaths of voters are being kicked off the rolls by fascist operatives, and all sorts of measures have been taken--including the disenfranchisement of our huge, poor prison population--to keep the poor from voting. People trust the election results in Venezuela. They don't, here, and for good reason. (Thus, many think, why bother? Wrong thinking, but still). The atmospheres in the two countries are very different--Venezuelans enthused, our people depressed, surly, a-political.

This contrast, between here and there, has been true for some time--indeed, from the very first (alternative media) reports that I started following, circa 2002. It has been characteristic of the Chavez government to encourage public participation and involvement, and excitement and enthusiasm for politics. And "why bother?" has been the message of our political establishment since, oh, about the same time, actually--2002--with the passage, by Congress, of the $3.9 billion e-voting boondoggle that spread privately controlled 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines to every state, with virtually no audit-recount controls. In the same month as the "Iraq War Resolution." If the message of 2000 wasn't clear enough, the message of 2002 brought it all home: rigged elections, theft by the rich, rule by the rich, war--these were going to be our lot no matter what we wanted. 56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War during that same period--in Feb. 2003 (all polls). So what?

In Venezuela, people feel very empowered. And we feel very disempowered--disengaged, apathetic, dismayed--as a people, I mean. Some of us will never give up, but, on the whole, our people are more than economically depressed--we are morally and spiritually depressed, and items like insurance-run health care just don't cut it, when huge reform is clearly, clearly needed, and is blockaded everywhere we look.

Not so in Venezuela. They, as a people, have taken on thorough reform. I doubt very much that they are going to reverse themselves.

The Chavez government hasn't really been in power that long--basically two terms. (Our own FDR was elected to four terms in office, and died in his fourth term.) But any longstanding government develops entrenched groups, gets too in love with bureaucracy, makes mistakes and fails to solve some problems. It is a natural target for criticism, should be scrutinized and criticized and has been scrutinized and criticized, most constructively from within the Left itself, and very lopsidedly by the Corporate Media--the echo chamber for rightwing "talking points." (Remember the drought in Venezuela and the consequent hydro-electric power outages? Ever hear ANYTHING from the Corporate Media about how quickly the Chavez government solved that problem? Nothing. Nada. Really mind-boggling bias.)

Ergo: It's not as if Venezuelans are voting in ignorance of the Chavez government's flaws and failings. They are also well aware of the rather breathtaking achievements of their government, and I think will give it a substantial mandate to continue.





joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
17. "The Chavez government hasn't really been in power that long"
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:32 PM
Oct 2012

FDR: 4422 days or 12 years, 1 month, 1 week, 1 day

Chavez: 4992 days or 13 years, 8 months, 1 day

I admit it was heartening to see them arrest those murderers of the opposition candidates when they didn't arrest anyone in the Chile diplomats daughters death, in the death at the CNE of the young man protecting the secrecy of the ballot or the assassination attempt on Capriles himself.

Perhaps you're right that Chavismo has the potential for introspection and can heal itself.

I suspect it's too late for them, though.

 

SESKATOW

(99 posts)
22. selective amnensia?
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:51 AM
Oct 2012

i notice you left out the murder of 100's of farming peasants over the last few years

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
23. Chavez and the Boligarchs are good friends.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:06 AM
Oct 2012

See Gustavo Cisneros.

Remember, and this was back in 2007: "Osly Hernández, de la UCV, cuestionó que construyeran carros de Fórmula 1 y no tractores para los campesinos."

Chavez isn't the best for the campesinos or he wouldn't buddy up with the boligarchs.

 

SESKATOW

(99 posts)
25. wealthy ranch owners cannot tolerate even the thought of world without inequality.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:40 AM
Oct 2012

the puppet masters of one HC.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
26. You mean Hugo Chavez, right? How many boligarchs has Chavez arrested for campesino murders?
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:45 PM
Oct 2012

Can you cite them? I spent hours last night trying to find them. I found none.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
28. Even Venezuela Analysis and other left wing sites can't provide...
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:04 PM
Oct 2012

...the information of boligarch arrests for campesino murders.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
30. Hi, Seskatow. Just saw your post, and glanced at a couple of the responses.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 09:37 PM
Oct 2012

I raised the topic here years ago, and the same lame rubbish happened then, too.

Of COURSE we never hear of them from our own corporate media, that's NOT stuff they care about.

I took a quick look at google and this flew up immediately:


Murder of the campesinos

It is not Hugo Chavez who endangers Venezuelans, but the greedy landowners killing peasant farmers with impunity

Edward Ellis
The Guardian, Sunday 2 October 2011 16.59 EDT

Venezuela, the resource-rich South American country that is home to the largest oil reserves on the planet, has been a focal point for international journalists, pundits and human rights activists for the better part of a decade. This has been thanks to the provocative and defiant stance of the nation's leftwing president Hugo Chávez.

Unrelenting in his criticism of western governments, the socialist president has made countless headlines the world over for everything ranging from his nationalisation of key industries to his chemotherapy-induced baldness. Scant attention has been paid, however, to some of the grittier policy initiatives that have defined Chávez's "Bolivarian Revolution".

Perhaps the starkest example of this neglect concerns the Venezuelan countryside – an area that has been transformed into the battleground for a conflict occurring beneath the radar of both the international human rights community and the major media for more than 10 years.

Since 2001, when the Chávez government pledged to break up the country's vastly unequal land holdings that have stifled agricultural development for more than a century, a wave of reprisal killings have consumed rural areas as large landowners contract assassins to end the "invasions" by pro-government campesinos on their illegitimately acquired and many times fallow estates.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/02/venezuela-land-rights-chavez-farmers

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Thanks for bringing up the subject, you are clearly right, not right-wing, to do it!

Welcome to D.U.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
6. no, they just changed the ballot so that some who vote for where Capriles picture is located
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
Oct 2012

will be voided or will go to other candidates.

So while its Capriles' picture, the votes will go to other candidates.

Not to mention the violence caused by the Chavistas.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
4. What's the Paraguay story?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:13 PM
Oct 2012

Didn't they have a progressive president (a former priest IIRC) who was thrown from power by a coup similar to Honduras? Or was that Uruguay?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
7. he was impeached after a deadly riot where numerous peasants and police were killed
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:32 PM
Oct 2012

link:

The central issue behind the impeachment trial was a June 15 incident in which police clashed with landless peasants, resulting in 17 deaths.

Peasants in eastern Paraguay fired on police who were trying to evict them from private property, initiating the deadly confrontation, local authorities and state-run media said.

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Lugo replaced his interior minister and national police chief in the aftermath of the clash, but his handling of the matter irked his political opponents and supporters alike.

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The stage for impeachment was set when members of a liberal party that supported him withdrew their backing, leaving the president nearly alone before Congress. Only one lawmaker in the lower chamber voted against impeachment, while 76 voted in favor.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-22/americas/world_americas_paraguay-president_1_impeachment-trial-peasants-fernando-lugo?_s=PM:AMERICAS

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
8. Fernando Lugo's exit after Paraguay 'coup' a setback for development
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:43 PM
Oct 2012

Fernando Lugo's exit after Paraguay 'coup' a setback for development

The ousting of Fernando Lugo by a rightwing parliament could stall democracy and social progress for a generation

Posted by
Jonathan Glennie and Cristiano Morsolin
Friday 29 June 2012 09.00 EDT guardian.co.uk

Another year, another rightwing coup against a pro-poor government in Latin America, this time in Paraguay. The 2009 coup in Honduras that removed President Manuel Zelaya from power may have set back reforms in the country for a generation, and human rights abuses continue to be widely reported.

The same reversal of progress may be the fate awaiting Paraguay if neighbours Brazil and Argentina, along with other countries in the region, fail in their bid to reinstate Fernando Lugo to the presidency. Lugo was impeached last week in a move he calls a "parliamentary coup".

There may be differences in form, but the story is essentially the same – progressive but imperfect leftwing leader ousted by rightwing forces determined to halt policies that threaten their business interests. Although it will be presented as an issue of politics, and therefore reported on the foreign affairs pages, it is a fundamental issue of development and human rights.

"Today it is not Lugo who is the subject of a coup," Lugo said as his rightwing successor prepared to take the oath of office, "not Lugo who is removed from power: it is Paraguayan history and its democracy that have been deeply hurt … I hope the people who did so are conscious of the seriousness of their acts."

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2012/jun/29/fernando-lugo-paraguay-coup-development

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
12. Lugo likes Chavez very much, invited him to his inauguration, worked for Venezuela
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:35 AM
Oct 2012

as hard as he could to get admitted to Mercosur.

Their legislature is loaded with members of the Colorado Party which controlled Paraguay for over 50 or 60 years, including over 35 straight years by a twisted, sadistic Nazi-supporting, genocide-committing monster, Alfredo Stroessner, who died a few years ago.

The Colorado Party still dominates Paraguay's politics, clearly, regardless of the fact Fernando Lugo, whose family was persecuted by Stroessner, was elected by a massive majority of the public, eager, desperate for change away from the Colorado Party's vicious leadership.


Genocide in Paraguay

Mark Munzel, a German anthropologist, was the first to call attention to the massacre of the Paraguayan Indians, with whom he lived for a year. He points out that "the Ache are inconvenient" - particularly, for the few enterprises with a majority of foreign (Brazilian, United States, and Western European) shares that dominate the Paraguayan economy, and for the Stroessner dictatorship that has imposed its terrorist rule with substantial U.S. support, as did its murderous predecessors. As the forests are cleared for foreign & domestic mining and cattle-raising interests, Indian removal, using some combination of outright killing and forcible resettlement , is a normal facet of "development" policy. In the case of a "poor man's Nazi" regime such as Stroessner's Paraguay, the nature of the resettlement (comparable to those in Nazi concentration camps&quot is such as to make the charge of genocide an appropriate one.

Munzel records the campaign against the Indians by manhunts, slavery, and deculturation. In manhunts with the co-operation of the military, the Indians are "pursued like animals," the parents killed, and the children sold (citing professor Sardi). Machetes are commonly used to murder Indians to save the expense of bullets. Men not slaughtered are sold for field-workers, women as prostitutes, children as domestic servants. According to Sardi, "there is not one family in which a child has not been murdered."

The process of deculturation aims at the intentional destruction of Indian culture among those herded into the reservation. Little effort is made to maintain secrecy about any of this, except by agencies of the U.S. government and by the U.S. media. For example, Munzel was offered teenage Indian girls by the Director of Indian Affairs of the Ministry of Defence, who "sought my goodwill," and he comments that "slavery is widespread and officially tolerated." Slaves can be found in Asuncion, the capital city.

Indians who survive the manhunts are herded into reservations where, according to Munzel, they are "subjected to stress and physcological degradation calculated to break the body as well as the spirit." Torture and humiliation of Indian Chiefs is a "standard procedure designed to produce the disintegration of group identity." Medication and nourishment are purposely withheld. When spirits are broken, the reservation is used " as a manhunt centre where tamed Indians are trained in fratricide." In a recent visit, Arens was impressed with the "striking absence of young adult males," the horrendous condition of the children, with festering sores, distended abdomens and widespread symptoms of the protein- deficiency disease Kwashiorkor, and the refusal of medication and medical care as a general practice. Arens, even on a guided tour, was aghast at the systematic maltreatment and felt himself "engulfed by the collective gloom of a people who had given up on life."

More:
http://totse2.com/totse/en/politics/foreign_military_intelligence_agencies/parageno.html

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Alfredo Stroessner
~snip~
Operation Condor

Paraguay was a leading participant in Operation Condor, a campaign of state-terror and security operations which were jointly conducted by the right-wing military governments of six Latin American countries (Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil). Human rights violations characteristic of those in other Latin American countries such as kidnapping, torture, forced disappearance and extrajudicial killing, were routine and systematic during the Stroessner regime. Following executions, many of the bodies of those killed by the regime were dumped in the Chaco or the Rio Paraguay. The discovery of the "terror archives" in 1992 in the Lambaré suburb of Asunción, confirmed allegations of widespread human rights violations.

Pastor Coronel was the chief of the pyragüés (hairy-footed in Guaraní) or secret police. He would interview people in a pileta, a bath of human excrement or ram electric cattle prods up their rectums. The Secretary of the Paraguayan Communist Party was dismembered alive with a chainsaw while Stroessner listened on the phone.[9]

Under Stroessner, egregious human rights violations were committed against the Ache Indian population of Paraguay's east-coast. The Ache Indians resided on land that was coveted by foreign multinationals and had resisted relocation attempts by the Paraguayan army. The government retaliated with massacres and forced many Ache into slavery. In 1974 the UN accused Paraguay of slavery and genocide.[10]

Stroessner was careful not to show off or draw attention from jealous generals or foreign journalists. He avoided rallies and took simple holidays in Patagonia. He did become more tolerant of opposition as the years passed, but there was no change in the regime's basic character.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Stroessner

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
9. Latin American leaders reject Paraguay 'coup'
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:45 PM
Oct 2012

Latin American leaders reject Paraguay 'coup'

Heads of three regional countries say they will not recognise new government after President Fernando Lugo was ousted.

Last Modified: 24 Jun 2012 00:46

Latin American countries have expressed concern at the ouster of Paraguay's President Fernando Lugo, with leaders of three countries saying they will not recognise its new government.

Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez, Ecuador President Rafael Correa and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday said they would not recognise the government of newly-installed leader Frederico Franco, who was sworn in by the same senate which, minutes before, had voted out Lugo.

Argentina's foreign ministry said in a statement later on Saturday that it was withdrawing its ambassador to Paraguay, while Brazil said it was calling in its ambassador to Paraguay for consultations over the impeachment, adding democracy is essential for regional integration.

Federico Franco, the Paraguay's newly sworn-in president, has reached out to Latin American leaders to minimise diplomatic fallout and keep his country from becoming a regional pariah.

More:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/06/201262383641605671.html

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
13. Paraguay's fascists used the Honduran template--a fake "constitutional crisis"--
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:08 PM
Oct 2012

to oust the elected president of the country, the beloved "bishop of the poor," Fernando Lugo. The fascists then immediately rescinded Lugo's decision NOT to have U.S. troops on the ground in Paraguay. So U.S. bribery, in my opinion--promise of lots of military aid to help keep the extremely poor Paraguayan majority poor--was a big factor. This coup provides a staging ground, right in the heart of leftist South America, for U.S. interference in the region--just as Honduras has been used in the past, in Central America, and is being prepped to be used once again, with the big, post-coup U.S. military build-up in Honduras.

The fascists and corporatists are picking off the weaker leftist governments--the ones where a leftist president got elected but without strong social/labor union organization, and without getting enough seats in national assemblies to support the president's policies. The victim countries so far--Honduras and Paraguay--had conditions of desperate poverty in which the majority of people were completely fed up with pro-U.S., pro-corporate, pro-uber-rich policies, and managed to elect a leftist president (Paraguay), and, in the case of Honduras, managed to convince a "centrist" president to pull left and advocate the reform that the labor unions were calling for, but lacked the grass roots organization that we have seen, for instance, in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil and other countries.

Honduras' strong leftist movement basically came into its own in the wake of the coup. It was strong enough to influence a president but it was not strong enough to prevent the country and its democracy being smashed to pieces. And, since the coup, rightwing death squads have been very active in Honduras--operating with complete impunity--assassinating numerous leftists--trade union leaders and others--and journalists. And the coup government has had the active support of the U.S. State Department which arranged and held a phony election, under martial law, to legitimize fascist control of the country. It's going to be a while, I fear, before Honduras' progressive movement, which represents most Hondurans, can successfully organize and win elections in their very rigged system.

In Paraguay, it was evident early on that Bishop Lugo did not have much of a political organization. He was drafted to run as president as the only figure in Paraguay capable of pulling together Paraguay's very fractious leftist parties, to win an election. He had spent his entire life as a Catholic bishop, living in poverty with Paraguay's poorest people. It's possible that he was not quite suited to the role of political leader, policy-maker and administrator. But he did some great things. For instance, with the help of the leftists president of Brazil and Argentina, he managed to renegotiate the hydro-electric contracts with Brazilian mega-corporations, to get a much fairer deal for Paraguay. I imagine that those mega-corp CEOs also had a hand in getting rid of him, but, meanwhile, guess who gets to dispense the increased profits, which Lugo, of course, had hoped to use for social programs? The Left creates it; the Right loots it. That seems to be the way of things in our Corporate-run world.

Hydroelectric power is Paraguay's only export besides soy. Paraguay sits on the biggest aquifer in South America. That is another reason that the U.S. wants to control Paraguay, in its efforts to steal basic resources on behalf of our transglobal corporate rulers and war profiteers.

As Brazil's president, Lula da Silva, stated, in his last speech in office, in 2010, "The U.S. has not changed." (He was speaking of Obama, and with Honduras much on his mind--a coup that Brazil fought to overturn but failed to do so.) Brazilians then elected Lula's chief of staff, Dilma Rousseff, to succeed him as president. She is, if anything, even more leftist than Lula. (She was horribly tortured by the U.S.-supported fascist junta, in her youth.) The basic, widespread Leftist success in South America has been chipped at, but not significantly reversed, by these damnable coups in Honduras and Paraguay. I think the blowback will ultimately reinforce the leftist democracy trend in the region--and the trend toward Latin American regional cooperation, unity, independence and sovereignty. But it has been murderously awful for Honduras and could get that way for Paraguay, before it gets better. (Note: That is one reason why Lugo--who was given only 24 hours to prepare a defense against impeachment--decided to resign, instead, i.e., to avoid any bloodshed. But Paraguay could still pretty easily go the way of Colombia, Honduras and other U.S. client states, into massive lawlessness, murder and mayhem by the right, backed up by the U.S. military.)

Also, I'm a bit worried about Nicaragua and El Salvador--both with leftist presidents, and with the U.S. military buildup in Honduras right next door; and about Peru, which only recently elected a leftist president. I have no doubt at all that U.S. covert agencies, the State Dept., the Pentagon and private corporate operatives are working to overthrow these leftist governments, one way or another.

I believe it was Albert Camus who said, "I should like to be able to love my country and still love justice."

I wish I could report that our country loves justice in Latin America--given that we have a president who could not have become president except for the extremely difficult struggles for justice that preceded him. Those struggles, including the part of it that occurred in our lifetimes, the civil rights movement of the 1960s, are exactly the same as the struggles occurring in Latin America today, by the poor and the brown, by the farm worker and the sweatshop worker, by the have-not's and the excluded, who are coming into their own, politically, and are, at long last, electing governments that are truly "of, by and for" the people. Though there are some limited signs that Obama policy is not quite as bad--and certainly not as twisted and utterly corrupt and murderous--as Bushwhack policy, that really isn't saying much. Transglobal corporations and war profiteers still rule U.S. policy in Latin America, and that policy is anti-democratic and anti-social justice and driven by goals of domination, oppression and grand theft.

It is a different world though, in Latin America. That "sleeping giant" has, at last, stood on its feet--not to bash others but to assert democracy! Wonder of wonders! And it is NOT going to submit to re-conquest. It's a wonderful thing when a people gets that fire in their hearts for self-government, sovereignty and justice. That's what is happening in Latin America. Don't be fooled by the slanders of the Corporate Media. This is a genuine, widespread, unstoppable political revolution for democracy and social justice. It is bound to suffer setbacks. It will not be defeated, believe me. The fire has been lit.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
14. Thanks everybody
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:18 PM
Oct 2012

I believe this global revolution was ignited in Chiapas with the Zapatista revolution, after the revolution that collapsed the soviet state socialist regime.

In this revolution Western people are learning from indigenous peoples instead of "bringing civilization to savages". I believe this revolution will pass the Russel Means' revolution rule of thumb:

There’s a rule of thumb which can be applied here. You cannot judge the real nature of a European revolutionary doctrine on the basis of the changes it proposes to make within the European power structure and society. You can only judge it by the effects it will have on non-European peoples. This is because every revolution in European history has served to reinforce Europe’s tendencies and abilities to export destruction to other peoples, other cultures and the environment itself. I defy anyone to point out an example where this is not true.
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
16. Paraguay is hopeless then..
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:59 PM
Oct 2012

As the impeachment vote was 76-1, what can you do if such a high percentage are fascists?

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
18. The Colorado Party which has completely controlled Paraguay over 61 years IS fascist.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:13 AM
Oct 2012

That's why the election of Lugo was so deeply important, and appreciated by the massive poor of the country.

If it happened once, it can most surely happen again. The greedy, filthy elite scum are NOT going to control the world forever, no matter how hard they try, and plot, and scheme, and kill as many of the poor as they can. The filth will have to accept that fact they fight like lunatics to keep it from happening, lying, cheating, stealing, torturing, murdering anyone and everyone they can without bringing injury to themselves.

They prefer to steal the government and leave the dirty work to the soldiers, to death squads, and criminals.

~snip~
The events of June 2012 were the culmination of the efforts over the previous three years by the powerful elites in the opposition to undermine the Lugo administration. In many ways, this was a political crisis waiting to happen, an almost inevitable response from elites to a reformist administration. Indeed, the impeachment reveals a number of longer-term characteristics of Paraguayan politics: the opposition to long-overdue social reforms by the political class, the nature of Congress as the political embodiment of the tiny elite that runs the country, the overwhelming nature of Paraguay’s social problems, especially land ownership, and the weak position of Paraguay in relation to its neighbours.


http://www.e-ir.info/2012/08/09/the-lightning-impeachment-of-paraguays-president-lugo/

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
21. The fascists (the Colorado Party) still rules the country, obviously. They are entrenched.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:59 AM
Oct 2012

And President Lugo didn't have much of a chance to reform the country, since he lacked the political organization to win a majority in the legislature.

The legislature is controlled by the Colorado Party, with only a few seats held by the splinter leftist and a few other parties. The Colorado Party, which represents the tiny percent of the population that controls ALL of the land, has been clever and brutal in defeating the kind of grass roots organization needed to build an effective political organization that represents the vast poor majority. During the long Stroessner dictatorship, they used torture and murder--simply decapitating the leadership of the poor, decade after decade. And they use every other means, short of outright slaughter, to wield power. Don't know for sure, but I imagine they got their 76-1 vote partly by bribery, threats, intimidation and other typical methods of a corrupt elite.

One thing is very clear: The legislature is NOT representative of the people of Paraguay. It is a very corrupt institution that represents the rich landowners.

But you, as usual, side with the fascists, eh? You think they did right?

You really love this stat that the fractious leftist remnants got bullied or bribed into ousting the elected president, don't you? You repeat it often.

Do you also like how they gave President Lugo only 24 hours to prepare a defense against impeachment? Do you like how he felt he had to resign, in that circumstance, to avoid violence? You approve of unfair proceedings like these?

You think Paraguay is a fair country, where everybody has a chance, everybody gets an education, has health care, and can pull himself or herself up by his or her bootstraps--and, if it isn't a fair country, well, those are the breaks? Or maybe you have some "Ayn Rand" scheme about the rich elite "trickling down" wealth to the poor?

How DO you feel about the miserable poverty in Paraguay? How do you feel about the history of torture and murder by the fascists, in Paraguay? How do you feel about the elected president getting booted out by the unrepresentative legislature, with barely a chance to defend himself, and that at the risk of civil violence?

One final question: How do you feel about the poor farm workers (most Paraguayans) getting sprayed with toxic pesticides by the soy moguls? You think that's okay? I would guess that you DO think it's okay--that it's acceptable "collateral damage" for those who are profiting from it. But correct me if I'm wrong. I'm basing this assumption on your other opinions here at DU. It's a big issue in Paraguay. It's basically why Bishop Lugo got elected (because he so strongly opposes it). Do you think it should be stopped? And, if so, how--now that the poor have been deprived of their president?

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
24. answers
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:59 AM
Oct 2012
The legislature is controlled by the Colorado Party, with only a few seats held by the splinter leftist and a few other parties.


According to Wikipedia, 26 of 80 seats is held by the "Authentic Radical Liberal Party".


Don't know for sure, but I imagine they got their 76-1 vote partly by bribery, threats, intimidation and other typical methods of a corrupt elite
.

In other words, you have no idea.

One thing is very clear: The legislature is NOT representative of the people of Paraguay. It is a very corrupt institution that represents the rich landowners.


How do you know this is clear? Is there a poll somewhere? Or are you assuming?


But you, as usual, side with the fascists, eh? You think they did right?


I am not siding with the fascists. I side with intellectual discourse that sees every single issues as a two-sided "fascists vs the people"

You really love this stat that the fractious leftist remnants got bullied or bribed into ousting the elected president, don't you? You repeat it often.


I love correct figures in the face of misleading bullshit.


Do you also like how they gave President Lugo only 24 hours to prepare a defense against impeachment? Do you like how he felt he had to resign, in that circumstance, to avoid violence? You approve of unfair proceedings like these?


Seems rather "unfair" to my frame of reference, but I have no idea if it is somehow standard there?

You think Paraguay is a fair country, where everybody has a chance, everybody gets an education, has health care, and can pull himself or herself up by his or her bootstraps--and, if it isn't a fair country, well, those are the breaks? Or maybe you have some "Ayn Rand" scheme about the rich elite "trickling down" wealth to the poor?


No. I believe in correct information being given on this board.


How DO you feel about the miserable poverty in Paraguay? How do you feel about the history of torture and murder by the fascists, in Paraguay? How do you feel about the elected president getting booted out by the unrepresentative legislature, with barely a chance to defend himself, and that at the risk of civil violence?


I think the first two suck. I think the third one probably sucks too as he seemed like a pretty good guy.

One final question: How do you feel about the poor farm workers (most Paraguayans) getting sprayed with toxic pesticides by the soy moguls? You think that's okay? I would guess that you DO think it's okay--that it's acceptable "collateral damage" for those who are profiting from it. But correct me if I'm wrong. I'm basing this assumption on your other opinions here at DU. It's a big issue in Paraguay. It's basically why Bishop Lugo got elected (because he so strongly opposes it). Do you think it should be stopped? And, if so, how--now that the poor have been deprived of their president?


I think it sucks, and I have given no positions on here to suggest it is ok, you are just making stuff up because you see the world as black and white i.e. if one doesn't think Chavez is the greatest, then therefore one must be in favor of toxic pesticides!


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