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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:03 AM Apr 2016

What Brazil's impeachment process says about its Christian faiths

What Brazil's impeachment process says about its Christian faiths

Lucy Schouten
April 23, 2016

The vote by Brazil's lower legislative house on April 17, did more than give the country's Senate the opportunity to impeach the president. As the country swirls with questions about corruption, economics, and the summer Olympics, the political move highlights a shift for global Christianity.

Brazil, the world's second-largest Christian country, is not as Catholic as it used to be.
The impeachment was led by the speaker of Brazil's lower legislative house, Pentacostal Christian Eduardo Cunha, Reuters reported. The political move shows Evangelical influence is rising inside a Catholic country, which could prove a bellwether for a larger shift toward less traditional forms of Christianity.

"During the last roll call vote for the continuation of the process of impeachment in the lower house ... several politicians dedicated their vote 'for God,' " says Karina Bellotti, professor of contemporary history at the Federal University of Paraná in Brazil. "Some of them were Catholic – but most were Evangelical, from the Pentecostal churches."

Evangelicals have maintained an increasingly significant presence in the Brazilian government since 1986, says Dr. Bellotti.
If Brazil's left-learning President Dilma Rousseff is forced from office, the next in line would be Michel Temer, a Lebanese-Brazilian Maronite Christian, followed by Mr. Cunha.

More:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazils-impeachment-process-says-christian-faiths-193700247.html?nhp=1

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US Southern Pentecostal fundie Christians, some of whom "handle snakes" as part of their worship services.

Yes, the guy lost one of his arms in a snake strike.



First United Pentecostal Church - Oakdale, LA.



Rufus 'Buddy' Jewell, a member of the Church of the Lord Jesus, a Signs
Pentecostal denomination unique to Appalachia, holds a timber rattlesnake.



Love to wave their mitts around. You can see right away they just might be holier than we.



Shoving it down their throats in a Brazilian prison.



Brazilian Pentecostals





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What Brazil's impeachment process says about its Christian faiths (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2016 OP
People can worship however they want. I ain't going to spit on them for it. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #1
A lot of Pentacostal children grow up and leave as quickly as possible, Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #3
It's not really "protectiveness"... Scootaloo Apr 2016 #4
Evangelical death squads? WTF? Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #2
they also had Moonie and ex-Boy Scout death squads--it's very versatile MisterP Apr 2016 #5
Outstanding comments. Thank you, so much. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #6
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. People can worship however they want. I ain't going to spit on them for it.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

The article gives almost no support to the premise of the title. it reads like a junior reporter was writing about Protestantism in Brasil and decided to mention the coup effort as a method of clickbait.

Me, I'm not someone with any room to criticize people who worship in trances with music and odd languages. Though I know from experience that Pentecostals don't really like my heathen / atheist ass calling out similarities in practice...

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
3. A lot of Pentacostal children grow up and leave as quickly as possible,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:58 AM
Apr 2016

deeply unhappy about the deep stupidity of the leadership, and the people themselves.

None of the ones I ever spoke with who left had any of the protectiveness you exhibit toward that world. They get as far away from it as possible.

Incidently, one of the people I met indicated all the "trance" stuff is nothing but flim-flam, chicanery, and a pathetic farce.

Adding, having just remembered something else he said:

The man said when he was in high school he ran his own test on them, stood up and started his own gibberfest (speaking in tongues) and recited some Latin material he had learned in his Latin classes, and then listened as their church "interpreter" went about explaining to the congregation what his divine inspiration actually meant, in "holy speak."

Whoever it was of course was not remotely in the same universe with the "tongue speaker."

I have remember what he said a very long time. It still knocks me out, considering he mistrusted them even as a high-school student. It doesn't take a genius.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. It's not really "protectiveness"...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:34 AM
Apr 2016

So much as I don't think calling people zombies because they practice in a way someone finds strange is particularly useful.

People who leave any religion or practice tend to get as far from it as they can. Nobody out there is like "yeah, I really live them and want to stay close but hell no I don't practice that stuff" - doesn't work that way.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
2. Evangelical death squads? WTF?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:44 AM
Apr 2016

Evangelical death squads? WTF?

By gshenaut
Monday Mar 05, 2007 · 11:49 AM CST

OK, this NY Times article is an interesting story about a situation between El Salvador and Guatemala in which several important Salvadoreans were allegedly murdered by a Guatemalan death squad. Read the article, it's worthwhile. But what really caught my eye was a two-paragraph throw-away, as follows:

A high-ranking United Nations official here, who requested anonymity to protect his diplomatic neutrality, said he believed the Interior Ministry and the National Police created death squads over the last three years, trying to combat the wave of violent crime by gangs . . . .

The officers in those squads belong to evangelical churches, the official said, and see the extrajudicial killings of gang members, known here as “social cleansing,” as holy work. But they have also begun to commit crimes for their own profit. “It gets out of their hands,” the official said. “They create a Frankenstein.”

The picture presented in the cited text took my breath away. It is widely known that Evangelicalism is spreading like wildfire in Latin America, and has been for two or more decades. But that there is an intimate connection there between Bible-thumping and death squads was not known by me.

I'm posting this diary for two reasons: if in fact this is a major force in Latin America today, this Christian-justified "social cleansing", then more people need to know about it. And secondly, I'm really hoping that other denizens of dKos will post informative comments, because I'd really like to understand the dimensions and significance of the phenomenon.

I can't resist mentioning the obvious parallel between the kind of violence promoted by Shiite death squads, the Taliban, and even the strongly Wahhabist al-Qaeda, and "social cleansing" by evangically-oriented groups in Latin America. I mean, what's the world coming to?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/5/308333/-

(Short article, no more at link.)

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Evangelicals and the Death Squads

By on October 19, 2003


On the first day of September, 1991, in room 419 of the Dirksen Senate Office Building, there was a hearing that had been structured in such a way as to elicit as little public attention as possible. Experts were on hand to speak in tones pitched to guarantee boredom. Committee members, typically half-prepared and distracted, seemed to ensure an atmosphere of monotony and torpor. The Subcommittee on “Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations” of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was taking evidence on the murky and obscure workings of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), an institution which in the months ahead was to become known as the “Bank of Crooks and Spies.” In various postures of piety and relaxation were Sens. Jesse Helms (R-NC), James Jeffords (R-VT), Claiborne Pell (D-RI), Paul Simon (D-IL), Alan Cranston (D-CA), and John Kerry (D-MA), the subcommittee chairman.

The two witnesses were Jack Blum, a former investigator for the subcommittee, and William von Rabb, U.S. Customs commissioner under Presidents Reagan and – until just that previous month – Bush – and dull their revelations were not. As Blum and von Rabb got deeper and deeper into their testimony, a number of reporters who had shown up – more out of habit and having nothing better to do – began to catch one another’s eye; in the seats reserved for the public, quiet gave way to murmurs and even a few whistles of astonishment.

Did the Federal Reserve possess a list of names of prominent Washingtonians who had taken kickbacks from BCCI? Yes, it did. Had BCCI helped certain outlaw states acquire American nuclear technology? Yes, it had. Had payments been made through BCCI to drug runners, gun smugglers, death-squad leaders? You bet. Had the Treasury Department known about BCCI? Sure. What about the Justice Department? They knew what was up, and seemed most concerned that no others would.[1]

The testimony which began to slowly emerge in the weeks and months which followed should have concerned any evangelical with the patience to follow the hearings; it revealed a sinister and noxious web of relationships which connected BCCI, to the CIA, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Middle East, drug-smuggling, money-laundering, the Contras, the Vatican, a number of rich North American and Latin American businessmen, Clark Clifford, Manuel Noriega, the Calero brothers, the Medellin Drug Cartel, D’Aubuisson, Oliver North, Elliot Abrams, the Death Squads, killings, torture, “disappearances,” etc. – essentially all those elements which in any way had been connected to the defeat of communism in Central and South America. And there, in the midst of it all, were the evangelicals.

Many evangelicals, of course, will say that their involvement with such things (and people) had been worth it – the defeat of communism in Central and South America! But was it really? Can any good ever come out of such enterprises? such entanglements? – the torture! the “disappearances!” the drug-smuggling! the money laundering! etc. There is a price to be paid when one involves himself in such things – the defilement of one’s soul; the contamination of one’s psyche; the corruption of one’s character. That’s why the Scriptures warn that it’s better for Christians – especially when acting together as a “community of faith” – to suffer evil and the wrong-doing of others than to take matters into one’s own hands and strike back – even when they are apparently justified in doing so, as when, for example, the goal is the defeat of communist subversion:

“But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also … Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.” (Please see Matt. 5:39-48)

More:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=1271

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I ACCUSE # 10: “CIA behind missionaries in Latin America!”

October 23, 2013 · by Peter Turner ·

How the US Central Intelligence Agency blatantly used religion to counteract the incoming tide of Liberation Theology is an amazing story! Anti-Catholic sects like the Pentecostalists didn’t need much persuading. What was needed was money and coordination, and this was soon forthcoming.

The main North American organisations that started this crusade against what they perceived to be Marxist takeovers with the backing of substantial sections of the RC church, were
•The Assemblies of God (Pentecostal)
•The Church of God (Pentecostal)
•The Word Church (Pentecostal)
•The Campus Crusade for Christ
•Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority
•Pat Robertson and the Christian Broadcasting Network
•Trans World Missions
•World Vision
•The Gospel Crusade
•The Christian Emergency Relief Team

What all these ‘gringos’ had in common was
•They were all fundamentalists, i.e. they took the Bible literally
•They emphasized ‘personal salvation’, i.e. being ‘born again’
•The Pentecostalists especially went in for faith healing, exorcisms, and miracles (possibly an attractive option in a poor Latin American country where there is no free health service)
•They used televangelism, and that included radio too for those rural/low income areas without TV
•They supported a conservative political culture, one that was willing to acquiesce in military dictatorships or even to support them ardently!
•The Pentecostalists in particular tapped into a the ‘despised’ roots of some local popular cultures. Roots the Catholic Church had tried to suppress; a world of demons, spirits, revelations, divine cures, and exorcisms (See Zingcreed Post on the UCKG and What Conservative Christians believe)

The head honcho coordinating what the local Catholics called “the invasion of the protestant sects” was the notorious Colonel Oliver North. I shall be concentrating on what happened in Chile and Nicaragua, where conservative pro-Reagan North was against the elected left wing government of Salvador Allende in Chile, and for the military coup of general Pinochet that overthrew it. Likewise in the Central American republic of Nicaragua he was against the ruling revolutionary Sandinistas, and all for the right wing Contra rebels who were trying to overthrow them by force.

The “invasion of the sects” was indeed a US-promoted conspiracy against Liberation Theology and all social movements for the emancipation of the poor. Quite a few evangelical missions crudely identified their religious intervention in Latin America with the the interests of US foreign policy. US evangelicals helped North give political and military aid to the Contras. When it became evident that the Contras had some embarrassing habits such as destroying schools and clinics, rape, and murdering civilians, the US Congress suspended official aid. North promptly (with the covert backing of the White House) went behind Congress’s back and recruited anti-communist evangelicals into a private support network for the Contras. Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network promptly handed over $2 million for the Contra guerilla army.
North pulled the strings from Washington, and advised the missions to create “rice bowl Christians”, that is to buy the loyalty of the poor through food handouts. Huge funds were made available for relief, church building and various development projects that by-passed the existing (often Catholic) institutions that were already on the ground.
The evangelical groups tried to dissuade Central Americans from joining movements for social change, by holding out the hope of spiritual alternatives to political action. They were the cheerleaders for US military intervention. Many North American missionary organisations were CIA fronts following orders from Washington. Evangelical growth was the direct result of strategic US planning. Evangelicalism was a spiritual con game, as the eventual disclosures of Oliver North were to reveal.

Evangelical Protestantism also appealed to the upper classes because it didn’t criticize the social structure from which they benefited, but indeed absolved them of any responsibility for it.

The differences between Catholics and Evangelicals were then , and still are now:

Roman Catholic Liberation Theology:
•consciousness raising among the people through grass roots activities
•commitment to the struggle of the poor for self-emancipation
•few friends in high places, persecution by death squads etc
•very few funds

Evangelicals:
•resignation and fatalism; acceptance of the status quo
•offer a safe surrender to Christ
•their churches are considered holy and respectable by the authorities
•ample funds from abroad (NB many of these churches now generate enough cash of their own not to need foreign funding, indeed some new fundamentalist sects have popped up in Latin America which owe nothing to the ‘Yanquis’.

More:
https://zingcreed.wordpress.com/2013/10/23/i-accuse-7-cia-behind-missionaries-in-latin-america/~

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
5. they also had Moonie and ex-Boy Scout death squads--it's very versatile
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

the Brazilian Army also turned to Umbanda and other Black Atlantic traditions to attack the many Catholic bishops (even conservative ones) condemning it in the 60s-80s; in turn the Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and santeros slipped their reins very quickly and took paths that shocked the people who'd thought they'd just make some easy-to-manage blindly-pro-American quiescent puppets; it's called "religious engineering" and is extremely flexible--but since they're neocons it invariably blows up in their faces

the Santa Fe Committee saw Catholicism as its main foe not just for its new politics and insistence that theologians be literate, but because they were WASPs who thought that it was utterly alien to have a world-spanning hierarchy in charge of Latin America outside of the neocons' control--so you have this bizarre situation where it's the RW saying that religion's the opium of the people and the Communists having to ally with clergy!

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