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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:01 PM Jan 2012

Venezuela: The Threat of a Good Example?

Venezuela: The Threat of a Good Example?
By Eva Golinger

Source: Postcards from the RevolutionFriday, January 13, 2012

http://zcommunications.org/venezuela-the-threat-of-a-good-example-by-eva-golinger

......."The visit of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Latin America this week caused a frenzy in Washington. The thought of US Enemy #1 just miles away, south of the border, cozying up to nations once dominated by Washington’s agenda was too much to bear for a government desperately trying to isolate Iran and rid the Persian nation of the Islamic Revolution. Days before Ahmadinejad’s arrival to Venezuela, his first stop on a four-country Latin American tour, the US State Department warned the region of receiving the Iranian President and strengthening ties while Washington was intensifying sanctions against Iran and increasing pressure on Ahmadinejad’s government. As a sign of its severity, Washington also expelled a Venezuelan diplomat serving as General Consul in Miami, for alleged links to an unsubstantiated Iranian plot against the United States.

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez laughed off Washington’s warnings as words from a “ridiculous empire” that no longer “dominates us in Latin America”. “We are sovereign nations”, Chavez made clear, as he received the Iranian President with open arms. Chavez even ironized about Washington’s accusations that the Iranian-Venezuelan relationship represents a threat to the United States.

“They accuse us over and over again of plans to attack the United States. They say we are building a bomb to launch against Washington. See that hill right there”, said President Chavez to journalists at the presidential palace covering Ahmadinejad’s arrival. “The grass will open up to reveal a big atomic bomb that President Ahmadinejad and I will launch against the White House”, he joked.

“The only war Venezuela and Iran are waging together is the war against hunger, against poverty, against exclusion”, clarified Chavez in a stern tone."

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ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
1. It should be mentioned that Eva Golinger works for the Venezuelan government
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jan 2012

Really, I think people in Venezuela couldn't care less of what the US has to say concerning our relation with Iran. On the other hand, I believe we do care a lot about our own government fraternizing and creating a strong political alliance with a "revolution" that has executed and tortured more people and, more particularly, leftists than Pinochet.

Venezuela's regional neighbors limit themselves to trading and keeping an open diplomatic channel with Iran. We should mantain that type of relation, firmly oppose any kind of foreign intervention. But we should also criticize or as a minimum keep our mouth shut, instead of praising Khameney, Ahmadinejad and the conservatives, when their paramilitary are shooting students in the streets.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Well ........... I think it's a bit more important than merely' what the people in Venezuela
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jan 2012

care about'.

"As ridiculous as Washington’s allegations against Venezuela may seem, these dangerous, unsubstantied accusations are being used to amp up hostilities against the South American nation, channel multimillion-dollar funding to anti-Chavez groups in an attempt to destabilize the Venezuelan government and to further perpetuate a media campaign demonizing the Venezuelan head of state, painting the oil-producing country as a dictatorship."

....The hyped-up, falsified accusations of terrorism and warmongering against Venezuela – none of which have ever been substantiated with real evidence – are dangerous attempts to scare public opinion into justifying some kind of aggression against a peaceful nation. Venezuela has never invaded, attacked, threatened or intervened in another country, nor has it bombed or assassinated the citizens of other nations. Venezuela has a policy of peace, and it’s never broken or violated that promise.

Venezuela also has the sovereign right to engage in relations with other nations as it sees fit and to develop its own internal policies to best benefit the well being of its people. That seems to be the greatest threat of all to the United States."


Anyone with even the tiniest interest in foreign affairs can see how the propaganda is escalating against Iran ...... the U.S. and Israel have both recently accused Venezuela of ties to Iran's 'terror threats'. It's a good article, I'm glad to hear Chavez speaking so publicly against all the bull*.

Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
6. The author is a force by now, a U.S. American who has a real grasp of the facts.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jan 2012

She is the target for the rabidly hostile element determined to combat all Latin American movement toward democracy, and away from the domination of the U.S.-right-wing-supported oligarchs.

People who've read her information long enough are also independently aware of the facts themselves, and are perfectly capable of realizing whether she is truthful or now. They are NEVER moved to respect her attackers.

Thanks for posting that article.

Yes, all attempts to mold public perception by corporate media, and calculated government claims against independent Latin American leaders have ALWAYS followed the very same pattern. Once that's understood it's impossible to be misled, or interested in those feeble (although hotly hostile) attempts to attack those who support forward movement AWAY from the domination and exploitation of the U.S.-supported, reinforced right-wing oligarchs. It will take a long time, but the oligarchs are going to lose, in the end. Inevitable.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
9. It certainly is but that doesn't mean we shouldn't mention it.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:20 AM
Jan 2012

I just consider that a leftist leader engaging a political alliance with a theocracy that prosecutes, tortures and kills leftists is a traitor, not only to his own beliefs, but to those he calls comrades, which is a lot worse.

As I wrote a week ago, Venezuela has been friends with Iran for quite a longtime. Since the first years of the non-aligned movement and the OPEC's creation, both countries have built close diplomatic relations, and Venezuela has never given in to US imperial demands of isolating Iran after 1979. Now, Chavez could very well defend sovereignty and non-intervention in Iran - just like Brazil and Argentina do - without praising Ahmadinejad and his fascist party, and without presenting the street protesters who fight their oppression as imperialist agents.

Why the hell did he went on and on openly defending the Iranian coservatives for the contested election result in 2009?

As the fascist basiji were killing in the streets and torturing in their prisons, this is what Chavez was saying:

"We call on the world to respect Iran because there are attempts to undermine the strength of the Iranian revolution,"

"Ahmadinejad's triumph was a triumph all the way"

"The victory of Dr. Ahmadinejad in the recent election is a win for all people in the world and free nations against global arrogance"


Words have meanings and implications!



http://english.farsnews.net/newstext.php?nn=8804011016

Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
4. Conscious U.S. Americans are quite aware of what the US-Iran history has been.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jan 2012

Right-wingers don't bother to learn about it so they are easily swayed to hate almost anyone.

The facts are very clear to those who bother to learn. No attempts to jerk people who know better are really useful.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. The threat of a good example applies to more than peace with Iran...
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:17 AM
Jan 2012

...though a peaceful attitude toward Iran is certainly a threat to our war profiteers.

Venezuelans have also voted themselves a "New Deal"--universal free medical care, universal free education through college, using resources to benefit the people who live there, putting transglobal monsters like Exxon Mobil in their place, helping small businesses, high employment, decent wages and benefits, cutting poverty in half and extreme poverty by over 70%, holding honest, transparent elections. These and other Chavez government policies are a dire threat to our corporate rulers and the greedbag rich, as well--the threat of a good example.

As for Iran, which is one of the milder Islamic regimes compared to, say, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, and is a Persian not Arabic country (big difference--Persian culture is basically antithetical to, and still resentful of, Arab domination), the Iranians have all the reasoning on their side, as to U.S. aggression in the world and U.S. aggression against them. We should never forget that the U.S. deliberately destroyed Iran's democracy, in the 1950s, over nationalization of the oil by Iran's first president. THEN, the U.S. installed the horrible "Shah of Iran" for 25 years of torture and oppression. Recently, the U.S. slaughtered a hundred thousand innocent people in Iran's next door neighbor, Iraq, for the same reason--oil. Smashed up the country in every way imaginable, including the cruel displacement of millions of people, installed a puppet government, got the oil contracts signed for western exploitation and finally departed, leaving behind a dysfunctional, violent, broken country where billions of dollars in U.S. taxpayer money for "aid" went missing. A dysfunctional, violent, broken country right on Iran's border.

What if, say, China, had done that to, say, Mexico? Wouldn't we--if we didn't have them--be seeking nuclear weapons as a deterrent to invasion?

Iran has never invaded anyone. The U.S. has--and with the worst of motives. So Iran has every reason to want a nuclear deterrent. I'm not a big fan of nuclear weapons. I hate them. But if ever there was a case for a nuclear deterrent, it is Iran's. The way to stop nuclear proliferation is NOT to threaten and bully countries and slaughter innocent people all over the landscape. The way to stop nuclear proliferation is to make peace AND to live sustainably, which includes curtailing monstrous transglobal corporations which seek resources and slave labor and are hijacking the U.S. military for those purposes.

I greatly admire Venezuela and the other Latin American countries including Brazil which have opened relations with Iran and who see trade and cultural relations as the path to peace not to mention the path to social progress. Threatening Iran or smashing it up with war is NOT going to further social progress in the Middle East. Look at Iraq! Social progress is a shibboleth anyway, as to U.S. foreign policy. The U.S. has no credibility on this matter. Not only are the Corporate Rulers and War Profiteers utterly destroying two centuries of U.S. social progress, here, out of greed, U.S. foreign policy has become one of the most regressive forces on earth, with for instance, trillions of dollars in U.S. " war on drugs," USAID/CIA and Pentagon money used to smash labor unions and murder human rights workers, teachers and peasant farmers in Colombia, to expand the Pentagon's "Southern Command" in Latin America for war across the "global south" (to Africa and Asia), to destroy democracy in Honduras and other countries, and to brutalize and militarize society and support fascist causes, as with the U.S. "war on drugs" in Mexico.

U.S. foreign policy is disgusting. It is also lawless. Talk about a bad example! Torturing prisoners! Running torture dungeons around the world! Indefinite detention without trial--now expanded to U.S. citizens! Drone bombings--execution without trial--and "collateral damage" (murdered innocents)--all over the globe, wherever some secret mole in a secret CIA office decides somebody ought to die!

Latin America is setting a good example of what foreign policy should be in democratic countries--peaceful, open to dialogue, non-exploitative, lawful, respectful of sovereignty and aimed at the betterment of the human race not endless war!

Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
5. U.S. Americans who have the time and inclination to revile Latin American movement
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jan 2012

toward a new solidarity are grossly unaware of US/Latin American policy/history or they would be far more respectful.

Your comments are truly beyond reproach. You are 100% focused on the truth of our own government's history toward ALL powerless people here and everywhere else. There has never been any misperception on your part.

Absolutely admire and appreciate the comments you contributed to this thread.

No one sensible should try to mislead U.S. Americans. They severely underestimate us if they believe we all support the morally depraved record our politicians create when they assume power over the armed forces, police, here and elsewhere, by hook or by crook.

We have nothing but our own real history to set us all straight.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
7. Thanks for your replies Judi Lynn and Peace Patriot.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jan 2012

You're both brilliant ..... (I love coming here to read!)

Here is another article re: Iran and Venezuela you might find interesting.

http://zcommunications.org/iran-venezuela-relationship-about-peace-by-tamara-pearson

Iran-Venezuela Relationship “About Peace”

......."U.S. State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland told the press last Friday, "As the [Iranian] regime feels increasing pressure, it is desperate for friends and flailing around in interesting places to find new friends...We are making absolutely clear to countries around the world that now is not the time to be deepening ties, not security ties, not economic ties, with Iran.""

......."Venezuela’s foreign minister Nicolas Maduro also commented to the press that Venezuela and Iran have a “peaceful relationship...we have a relationship of cooperation for development... and above all, for peace.”

He also pointed out that as members of the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) the two countries have had relations for the last fifty years."

......"Over the last decade Venezuela and Iran have signed more than 270 accords, including trade deals and agreements on construction projects, car and tractor factories, energy initiatives and banking programs. Last year Iran assisted with the construction of 14,000 houses in Venezuela and it has helped install 26 agricultural and food plants so far, including corn processing plants."


Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
8. Great information, polly7. The fact Iran and Venezuela have been friendly over 50 years
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jan 2012

always seems to be overlooked by the right-wingers in their tirades.

It's past time people started realizing it morally is not the place for our country to be dictating which countries may associate with which other countries diplomatically and otherwise. I am surprised our State Department is still making these idiotic, presumptuous demands of the rest of the world at large.

It sounds insane, and childish.

If this government can't coerce enough other countries to assist violently in supressing the rest of the world, eventually the world IS going to go on and move forward without our "blessing," regardless.

Thank you for the article.

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