Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:39 PM Nov 2013

Despite 50% reduction, Colombia’s homicide rate still highest in South America: UN

Despite 50% reduction, Colombia’s homicide rate still highest in South America: UN
posted by Philipp Zwehl
Nov 13, 2013

Despite dramatic reductions over the past decade, Colombia still had the highest homicide rate of any South American country between 2004 and 2010, according to a report published Wednesday by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP).

Decades of internal armed conflict was one of the many contributing factors discussed in the report, along with widespread poverty and stark inequality.

During the latter half of the 20th century, Colombia developed an international reputation for bloodshed due to the prevalence and high profile nature of its violence. According to the UNDP report, many of those trends have continued into the first decade of the new millenium, leaving Colombia with the highest homicide rate in South America (34 per 100,000 inhabitants) during that time.

In all of Latin America, only Honduras and El Salvador surpassed Colombia in terms of relative homicide, with rates of 64.5 (per 100,000) and 77.5 (per 100,000) respectively.

More:
http://colombiareports.co/colombia-still-highest-homicide-rate-south-america-u-n-report/

7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
2. I thought it was odd too but it looks like they reported over a decade for some reason
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:00 PM
Nov 2013

and Venezuela has far outpaced Colombia over the last several years.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. This report illuminates the disinformation from RW/corporatist posters...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

...that we see at DU, especially in the LatAm Forum, who focus exclusively on the murder rate in Venezuela and ignore the literal bloodbaths occurring next door in Colombia, and the higher (than Venezuela) murder rates in two other U.S./corporate "client states," Honduras and El Salvador.

They and the corporate media LIE about this, constantly. It is COLOMBIA--run by fascists and the Pentagon--that is the most violent country in Latin America. And it includes a particular kind of violence as well. It includes prep for U.S. "free trade for the rich," i.e., the murders of thousands of labor leaders, teachers, community activists and other advocates of the poor and the brutal displacement of FIVE MILLION peasant farmers from their lands. Venezuela has a high murder rate--partly because of Venezuelans' love of guns--but it is street crime, personal crime, NOT the government brutally clearing the peasants off the land for Monsanto or Occidental Petroleum, or murdering labor organizers for Drummond Coal or Chiquita.

Jeez! Over 90% of the "free trade" prep murders in Colombia are committed by the Colombian military, paid for by you and me ($7 BILLION in U.S. military aid!). Half by the military itself; the other half by their closely tied rightwing death squads. (Amnesty International stats.) And not just murder--horrendous atrocities, such as the murdering of recruited youths and dressing their bodies up like FARC guerillas, to earn bonuses and to impress U.S. senators with their "body counts," or such as the slaughter in La Macarena (where the USAID and Pentagon were involved in the "pacification" plan).

The Venezuelan government doesn't do this. The Venezuelan military doesn't do this. These are peaceful, lawful institutions. Not so in Colombia, where the Bushwhacks installed Alvaro Uribe as 'president,' a man with close ties to rightwing death squads from early in his career and who ran Colombia like Murder, Inc., using U.S.-assisted spying ops to identify his "enemies" and using the military and its death squads to kill them--and, furthermore, spying on judges and prosecutors, to anticipate their moves and protect his criminal organization.

It is NO WONDER that Colombia is so violent--larded with U.S. military billions, deeply involved in the U.S. "war on drugs" RACKET (total fraud), and with one of the worst rich/poor discrepancies in the region (while Venezuela, next door, has the best). Venezuela has problems. Colombia has INSOLUBLE problems--because of where the problems are really coming from: above! from HERE!

Our rightwing/corporatist DU posters don't want DUers to know this. They post corporate media items about the murder rate in Venezuela and COMPLETELY IGNORE the STATE violence in Colombia, and all the bloody mayhem of the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" (which has also struck Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico, particularly hard).

Sneaky disinformation--which NEVER mentions the worst situation (Colombia's violence), focuses entirely on the lesser situation (murder rate in Venezuela), and of course never blames the Colombian government or the U.S. government for the huge number of murders in Colombia--which they are clearly responsible for--while constantly blaming the Venezuelan government for street crime. The irony is that, when the Venezuelan government takes measures to address street crime--such a gun laws, or use of the national guard for policing--then they cry "fascism" and "police state." The Venezuelan government can never win; the Colombian government can never lose. Because the first is socialist and the second is fascist. Socialist is bad; fascist is good. THAT is the viewpoint of our DU rightwing bloggers.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
4. you didn't read the article or the UN report. the statistics cover a 10 year period
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013
http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=UNODC&f=tableCode%3A1

Here is the UN data from 2010. You criticize disinformation and then go on to spout it.

the numbers are year, total murders, and murder rate. In the world of reality, a murder rate of 45 per 100,000 in Venezuela is greater than 33 per 100,000 Colombia. In 2012, Ven had a murder rate of 70/100,000 which was what Colombia was 10 years ago. So tell me PP, which government has been more effective at reducting the homicide rate?

Country or Area Year Count Rate Source Source Type
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2010 13080 45.1 NGO CJ



Colombia 2010 15459 33.4 National police CJ

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
6. Venezuela draws attention because murder rate increased a lot
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 06:04 PM
Nov 2013

Under Chavez the crime rate soared. This is considered a puzzle because poverty was reduced. Thus social scientists attribute it to several factors such as impunity, a really high rate of teenage pregnancy, drugs, and a large cohort of unemployed young males.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
5. Venezuela has the highest murder rate in South America
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 05:58 PM
Nov 2013

One problem the UN faces is the distorted or lack of reporting from autocratic regimes such as Veezuela's. I have solid reports from NGOs which put the murder rate at over 60 per 100k. I think the only worse country is Honduras in all of Latin America. Unfortunately the burden falls heavily on poor Venezuelans. Some poor areas in Caracas are battlefields.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
7. Venezuela does have a mass grave, like Colombia's many.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:08 PM - Edit history (2)

That one was created by someone the oligarchs adore, Carlos Andres Perez, when he had his military storm into the barrios and mow down protesting citizens during the massacre he awarded them for their suffering, "El Caracazo" massacre.

Colombia, in the meantime, not only has many mass graves, it also has, as acknowledged by paramilitaries, crematoria at various places around the country, which they utilized when they had too many bodies to get rid of the ordinary ways: torturing, disemboweling, cutting into pieces with machetes or chainsaws, or simply gutting, weighing down with stones in their stomachs, and pitching into rivers, where they have continued to float by endlessly, with some Colombian citizens making an effort to try to retrieve them from the water, try to identify them, and give them respectful burials.

I trust the United Nations knows how to collect the information it uses.

Latest Discussions»Region Forums»Latin America»Despite 50% reduction, Co...