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US said to have spied on FARC in NSO spying scheme: NY Times
posted by Daniel Freeman
Nov 4, 2013
In a spying scandal that has rocked international trust in the United States and its National Security Agency (NSA), it seems as though every day there is a new country or entity that is revealed to have been spied on by the American government. The New York Times wrote this weekend that the rebel group, FARC, is now included on that list.
Ranging from allied leaders of Brazil and Mexico to Germany and France, the NSA has been exposed as an electronic omnivore of staggering capabilities, eavesdropping and hacking its way around the world to strip governments and other targets of their secrets, wrote the New York Times in an extensive report this past Saturday.
The report revealed that the NSA had placed eavesdropping gear on a Defense Department plane to survey locations of FARC combatants and deliver them to the Colombian government to aid them in fighting the guerrillas.
The agencys eavesdropping gear, aboard a Defense Department plane flying 60,000 feet over Colombia, fed the location and plans of FARC rebels to the Colombian Army, read the report.
More:
http://colombiareports.co/us-said-spied-farc-international-spying-scandal-ny-times/
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)That OUR government might spy on a group of bloodthirsty kinapping and killing thugs whose only goals in life are making beaucoup $$$ protecting and aiding drug cartels and bringing about the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government of one of the US's strongest allies in Latin America? Shocking beyond words.
brisas2k
(76 posts)"The 'false positives' scandal has revealed that the Colombian army murdered civilians, who were then dressed in rebel uniforms or given guns. They were then presented as guerrillas or paramilitaries killed in combat."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8038399.stm
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)have to do with the post?
The US government is running a vast empire of crime, in order to pursue economic interests favoring some parts of its plutocracy. The avowed "fight against communism" no longer holds any truth to it.
I thought it should be obvious.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Thanks anyway.
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)Can't think of any way human beings can be uglier than this, can you?
It's impossible to be more treacherous, filthy, and low. I'm still as shocked as the first day I heard about "false poslitives."
brisas2k
(76 posts)On June 26, 1999 Reuters reported that Richard Grasso met with Colombian rebels, the FARC, in an article entitled "NYSE Chief Meets Top Colombia Rebel Leader".
The article quoted Grasso as saying, "I invite members of the FARC to visit the New York Stock Exchange so that they can get to know the market personally." Some found the meeting inexplicable, considering the FARC supports anti-capitalist ideals and has no officially recognized financial clout. Grasso told reporters that he was bringing "a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services."
( "NYSE Chief Meets Top Colombia Rebel Leader". Reuters. 1999-06-26. Retrieved 2006-02-27.)
the next logical question is Why was then Chairman of the NYSE seeking the leaders of FARC, a vowed marxist leninist guerrilla bent on overthrowing the colombian government?
According to some rumos, the FARC leadership rejected US government invitation to invest in Wall Street.
Maybe you will now understand the "secret" reasons for US involvement in Colombia's 50 year long civil war. Drugs and Oil are the main chemicals on which US plutocracy's imperial dreams are riding on.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)brisas2k
(76 posts)Search in the Quadrennial defense reviews of DoD, and other official US government documentation.
You will find that the colombian oil basin, as well as that of Ecuador and Venezuela were strategically crucial for the us government in the 90's, in that part of the region.
The FARC successful military campaing in those years was threatening all that.
You'll have to look it up. I can't do it for you.
The stuff about anticommunism is long dead. When the USSR collapsed all possibilities for "communists" (in reality, stalinists) were gone. They are no longer a threat, not even in Russia, where they managed to overthrow Gorbachev and his reforms.
brisas2k
(76 posts)I just covered the first wheel of us imperial dreams: Oil (in the case of colombia and Southamerica)
The other wheel is drugs.
I don't want to run it in this post. But you should learn about it. Start with the Iran-Contra case, Celerino Castillo III, Ex DEA attache in El Salvador, and Michael Levine, Ex Regional DEA officer and whistleblower.
Be prepared to throw up and shudder. That stuff will shake you to your toes.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)own consumption. Venezuela is the only one of the three countries mentioned that comes close to having so-called 'strategic' reserves, and even so Venezuelan oil is so thick and nasty that it requires a great deal of expensive over-refining to be at all useable. I doubt the DOD has had great concerns about its availability. And no one but yourself is talking about the red herring of 'communism'. FARC, for all it likes to self-style itself as a Marxist group is (and has been for at least 30 years now) nothing more than a band of armed criminals, assaulting and terrorizing the populace, kidnapping and killing civilians and doing whatever it can to harrass the government while at the same time bringing in millions of dollars by aiding and abetting the cocaine trade. Nothing to do with 'communism' at all - FARC is pure, unbridled capitalism.
brisas2k
(76 posts)36 Colombia 2,300 MBo
1 Venezuela (see: Oil reserves in Venezuela) 297,570 MBo
20 Ecuador 8,240 MBo
Source: Wikipedia
All three put together have 308,110 MBO
More oil than Saudi Arabia. More oil than Canada.
Is it clearer now?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the world (secretly) works Colombia, with far and away the lowest petroleum reserves of the three countries (apart from the fact that most of its reserves are too difficult and too expensive to economically exploit) was in the sights of greedy, wall street mercenaries their corrupt DOD henchmen, all of them lusting over snatching these reserves, and was only stopped in its villany due to the heroic presence of a pseudo-Marxist criminal organization known as FARC. Got it. Stay close to the phone - Col. North will be calling soon.
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)I think it's more likely Oliver North would be calling other murdering, dirty criminals.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)to FARC.
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)They simply continue to parrot the crap handed out to them by the corporate media which sentient beings knows has been manipulated to control public perception forever, they refuse to take the initiative and start looking into the facts.
THEN, operating from their foundation based in complete gibberish by cynical propagandists, they expect you to use their pretend stories and submit to their authority, and stop posting the truth!
Makes it really hard to hold any discussion with those who insist on reading from the funny pages rather than from real history.
Judi Lynn
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Thank you for trying to illuminate the subject for DU'ers who don't know, yet, which would be almost everyone, I'm sure.
This is so unexpected in a normal world as to seem impossible! It really, REALLY makes one sick.
What are the chances this clown, Grasso, would ever have admitted this to the U.S. media, in the snowball's chance in hell they would have ever mentioned it?
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)50 years of US intervention in Colombia
posted by Chelsey Dyer
Oct 4, 2013
~snip~
Eisenhower
In 1959, under the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the United States sent a Special Survey Team comprised of experts with irregular warfare experience in Europe, Asia, and Latin America to Colombia to assess the condition of the nation after a civil war between Conservatives and Liberals, known as La Violencia, that had ravaged the countryside.
After a two-month period between 1959 and 1960, the team produced a report of recommendations outlining a variety of counter-insurgency tactics. Counter-insurgency, a term well known but vaguely understood in todays militaristic society, incorporates a corpus of psychological operations, civil action initiatives (in which the military participates in local community building projects to win the favor of the people), physical territory consolidation, and killing insurgents.
Today, counter-insurgent (COIN) tactics are advertised as culturally sensitive tools utilized by a humanitarian army. Talk of counter-insurgency often evokes images of U.S. troops liberating oppressed populations. Militarized media, entertainment, and films elide the reality of COIN tactics and dust over the complexities and devastation of war with sensationalized battles and soldier superstars. The truth is much messier and not as fun to watch.
Low-intensity conflict
In Colombia, counterinsurgency, or low-intensity conflict (LIC) operations, have been in practice since long before the infamous Plan Colombia, and U.S. recommendations have shaped the landscape of battle.
Recommendations made by the 1959 Special Survey Team sent to Colombia included a call to establish a counter-guerrilla combat force in the Colombian army, and suggested the formation of a government public information service with covert psychological warfare capability.
More:
http://colombiareports.co/50-years-us-intervention-colombia/
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)50 Years Of US Intervention In Colombia II
posted by Chelsey Dyer
Oct 15, 2013
~snip~
Between 1954 and 1964 the U.S. trained about 250 Colombians in counterinsurgency tactics. In 1964 this number rose to about 300 a year. The U.S. espoused a National Security Doctrine focused on destroying internal subversives- the PCC- backed (Communist Party of Colombia) independent collectives of peasants that had fomented throughout a civil war in Colombia known as La Violencia. In 1964, with the support U.S. recommendations, aid, and training, the Colombian government launched Operation Marquetalia. Tasked with retaking the Marquetalia region in the Tolima province, and capturing or killing Manuel Marulanda, (an active PCC member who would later play a role in establishing the FARC), government troops launched an attack on the region. However, Colombian troops failed to kill or capture Marulanda, and the region was taken back from government hands months later. Further disenchanted with the Colombian governments policies, many in the rural populace were emboldened and determined to defy government decrees and violent rule. Operation Marquetalia marked a turning point that initiated the creation of the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia, or the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).
The FARC was founded on a Marxist-Leninist ideology which they claimed was designed to protect the interests of the rural peasantry. When founded, they were a defensive organization that did not yet employ offensive tactics or participate in the drug trade. It was not until 1982, at the seventh conference of the guerilla movement, that the FARC officially ratified the use of offensive tactics, though in practice they had been engaging in offensive attacks before the strategy was made official. Over time the FARCs strategies devolved and preyed on the population they claimed to protect. In order to fund their campaign the FARC engaged in aggressive kidnapping and ransoming tactics, extortion of wealthy land owners, taxing drug traffickers, and though they still deny it, trafficking drugs themselves. Today, they engage their old ideology, referencing concern for marginalized groups throughout Colombia in order to legitimize violence and terror tactics.
To combat the FARC, paramilitary groups began to coalesce throughout the 1980s as private militias hired by wealthy land owners to protect them from extortion. These right-winged militias united in 1997 to form the umbrella paramilitary organization Autodefenas Unidas de Colombia (United Self Defense Forces of Colombia) and came to be some of the deadliest actors in the conflict.
Throughout the 80s and 90s actors in the conflict (guerrillas, paramilitaries, and the Colombian government) became increasingly involved in the drug trade and corrupted by a lust for money. U.S. recommended and funded counterinsurgency tactics continued, despite evidence that they were inducing harm. In a 1994 CIA Intelligence Memorandum released under the Freedom of Information Act, intelligence verified that Gavirias [Colombian President from 1990-1994] hardline counterinsurgency approach has sent a clear law-and- order message and has reassured U.S. firms interested in continued investment in Colombia. Rather than highlighting concerns with human rights and collateral damage, the report denotes that the guerrillas continued ability to hit military and economic targets in remote regions and to sow fear through assassinations and bombings in the cities undermines popular confidence in the government and makes foreign investors wary.
More:
http://colombiareports.co/94669/
The US stole Panama from Colombia.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)They stopped fighting for a "communist" ideology long ago, and are now nothing more than thugs and narcocriminals hellbent on terrorizing the Colombian populace and making as much of a profit as they can through kidnappings and drug deals. Why should I feel any pity for them?
And please, nobody try to spin this into a US intervention conspiracy in order to obtain more and more oil. Colombia barely has enough of it as it is for the US to be interested in it. Its close ties with the Colombian government has more to do with trying to combat all the narco-networks that the country is riddled with, which I'm sure everyone here knows by now.
Judi Lynn
(160,588 posts)when he tenderly explained to the slavish corporate media journalists who groveled at his briefings that he sees Colombia as a U.S. "forward operating location" from which the U.S. can command a sweeping view of the Americas, ready to move in any direction, from which US forces can operate easily, can continue constant surveillance not just of the terrifying FARCS but also of ever living thing, keeping it all under control, and the people aware of the constant threat confronting them if they even dream of displeasing the US military/industrial complex.
Unlike right-wing clowns, conscientious Democrats do take the time to do their homework, to research the bloody history already committed against the ordinary helpless people of the Americas.
We don't buy the right-wing hallucinatory view of the world, and where everyone belongs. There's not much to respect about that.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)You can figure out the rest.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I have now is whether the Plutocrat/CIA/DOD/CIA/Wall Street Oil conspirators are tied in with the Bilderberg Group, or whether they are just members of the Illuminati. Inquiring minds want to know.