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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 08:57 AM Oct 2013

As socialist dream crumbles, Venezuelans find Nicolas Maduro 'a bad copy' of Chavez

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/10359267/As-socialist-dream-crumbles-Venezuelans-find-Nicolas-Maduro-a-bad-copy-of-Chavez.html


Amid food shortages, rampant inflation and widespread electricity blackouts, many Venezuelans are wondering if Chavez chose the right heir to his revolution


The army has been sent into toilet paper factories, fights for basic foodstuffs have resulted in several deaths and new, multi-million dollar oil tankers are sitting idle in dock. And, despite sitting on the world’s largest oil reserves, Venezuela’s socialist government can’t quite manage to keep the lights on.


Now many in Venezuela are wondering how much longer President Nicolas Maduro, the anointed successor of the country’s firebrand Leftist leader Hugo Chavez, can keep hold of the reins of its crumbling socialist revolution.


Last week Mr Maduro was forced to turn to a well-worn answer for his country’s woes, blaming a US plot to “sabotage the electrical system and the Venezuelan economy” and kicking out Washington’s envoy to the South American country. “Out of Venezuela!” he railed on state television, adding in English: “Yankees go home!”
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If that wasn’t enough, Mr Maduro then accused the US Drug Enforcement Agency of orchestrating the presence of 1.3 tons of cocaine seized last month from an Air France plane flying out of Caracas. With the government long accused by Washington of complicity in the drug trade - counter-narcotics officials say some 50 per cent of cocaine in Britain is now trafficked through Venezuela - the bust was likely a US plot using mafias to brand the country a “narco-state”, he said.
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As socialist dream crumbles, Venezuelans find Nicolas Maduro 'a bad copy' of Chavez (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Oct 2013 OP
What Does This Have To Do With The Price Of Tea In China TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 #1
"...many Venezuelans are wondering..."??! Peace Patriot Oct 2013 #2
so you think Venezuela is functioning well under this current administration? Bacchus4.0 Oct 2013 #3
These are nothing but expected responses by COLGATE4 Oct 2013 #4
Thanks for reminding us why we don't buy this bullshit any more. Peace Patriot Oct 2013 #5
Thank YOU for so aptly COLGATE4 Oct 2013 #7
The Chavez and Maduro regime has been in power for 14 years Socialistlemur Oct 2013 #9
actually, Venezuela is failing without any "help" from the US Bacchus4.0 Oct 2013 #10
Why is that ONLY the problems in Venezuela are reported? Marksman_91 Oct 2013 #11
Last year Chavez was president, Maduro is president now Socialistlemur Oct 2013 #6
The better question is "What's RIGHT with Maduro"? nt COLGATE4 Oct 2013 #8

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
2. "...many Venezuelans are wondering..."??!
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:38 AM
Oct 2013

No facts. Just more corpo-fascist smeary, smooshy, impressionistic propaganda.

The FACT is that Venezuelans rated their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their sense of well-being and future prospects, in the Gallup Well-Being Poll last year.

The FACT is that Venezuela ranked FIRST IN SOUTH AMERICA and 9th of 151 countries in a more refined study of well-being and happiness this year. (The World Happiness Report for 2013, by the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network.)
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/the-americas-blog/you-probably-didnt-hear-that-venezuela-was-again-ranked-the-happiest-country-in-south-america
(--and 7th of 151 countries on "experienced well-being")
http://www.happyplanetindex.org/countries/venezuela/

And WHY do Venezuelans register such a strong sense of WELL-BEING, HAPPINESS and HOPE FOR THE FUTURE?

The FACT is that the UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean recently rated Venezuela "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution.

The FACT is that Venezuela met ALL of its Millennium goals ahead of schedule (dramatic poverty reduction, improved education, etc.) The FACT is that Venezuelans have enjoyed unprecedented levels of public participation (voter turnouts, political campaigning, community councils, strong and effective labor unions) and unprecedented access to health care, to educational opportunity, to housing and to jobs, including good salaries/benefits, under the Chavez/Maduro government.

It is NO ACCIDENT that people who ARE EXPERIENCING access to health care, educational opportunity, good jobs and other elements of advancement and who feel part of the political life of their society, feel positive about life in general, and have a sense of well-being and happiness, even if things go wrong, even if things are not perfect.

But the corpo-fascist newsmongers NEVER ask this question--why do Venezuelans feel good?--because they NEVER report on the MANY indicators that point to well-being, on which the Venezuelan government has SUCCEEDED.

No facts. So, no question, no analysis, no answer.

Venezuela IS BAD. Socialism IS BAD. Chavez was BAD. Maduro is BADDER. Bad, bad, bad.

It's like the Red Queen in "Alice in Wonderland": Insane, tyrannical insistence on THEIR VIEW, with complete disregard for REALITY.

As for Bacchus4.0 repeatedly posting this corpo-fascist news garbage about Venezuela here at DU, and agreeing that Venezuela is BAD-BAD-BAD, it is like the Red Queen's "playing card" servants and we are like the long-necked birds they use as croquet bats, getting our heads bashed with every whack of the ball that pleases the Queen. The purpose is to ADDLE us, so we don't see how wrong this all is--what a "Big Lie" it is--while our own government's secret agencies do their best to make the Bad come true.

They've done it before, repeatedly--acted to destroy socialist (fair, equalizing, democratic) governments in Latin America. They're doing it NOW--certainly with propaganda, more than likely with continued dirty ops (continued from the Bush Junta). These DEMOCRATIC socialist successes in Latin America--a movement that has spread from Venezuela all over South America and into Central America--are the TARGET of the CIA, the Pentagon, the NSA, the DEA, the FBI, and every secret and police-state capability that the U.S. government has, combined with the banksters and transglobal corporate capabilities for secret ops and sabotage. Our government and the 1%-ers it serves HATE Venezuela, in particular, as the first and most inspiring example of this leftist democracy movement. And they are scared out of their minds that it might spread to HERE.

One of the generals in the U.S.-supported rightwing coup d'etat in Honduras in 2009 stated that their coup was intended "to prevent communism from Venezuela reaching the United States" (--quoted in a report on the coup by the Zelaya government-in-exile). Venezuela is NOT communist. But it IS socialist, in the "New Deal" mode: Democracy AND FAIRNESS. Democracy that raises the whole society up, that effectively fights poverty and that provides opportunity for all. Rightwing generals, fat with U.S. military funding, would mistake socialism for communism, as this one did. (And you gotta wonder whose cocktail party he was attending, where he picked up this notion of Honduras being the moat around the Capitalist Empire--a moat now running red with the blood of journalists, peasant farmers, labor leaders and other advocates of the poor.)

It's tragic that our government never changes. No matter who's in charge, Latin America is viewed as its BACK YARD--a very large place that must knuckle under to U.S. corporate theft of its resources and exploitation of its labor force, and that must submit to the Pentagon's designs and to the insults and horror of the corrupt, failed, murderous U.S. "war on drugs." The U.S. wants oligarchs and fascists running things in Latin America, to do the bidding of U.S. corporations and the U.S. military machine.

THAT is reality. And this non-stop, relentless, pervasive, "Big Lie" barrage from the corpo-fascist media about "bad Venezuela" is NOT REALITY.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
3. so you think Venezuela is functioning well under this current administration?
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 12:04 PM
Oct 2013

No other country in South America has the problems with violence, corruption, lack of basic goods, inflation, no functioning justice system etcetera. Do you think the Venezuelan system is the what other countries should aspire to? Its sad what has happened to that country.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
4. These are nothing but expected responses by
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 12:46 PM
Oct 2013

the pious acolytes of Chavez and his Dumbson successor who have never been in Venezuela, don't understand the country, don't undertstand the people and don't understand the economic situation but who still insist on railing at anyone who has the temerity to point out the feet of clay of their latest socialist 'hero'. Venezuela can't keep the lights on? Well, remember the Bay of Pigs. Venezuela has fucked up the economy? Well, remember Pinochet. Venezuela has cascading violence, corruption and inflation? Remember Jacobo Arbenz. Nothing but the cognative dissonance of the 'true believers' parading as serious thought.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
5. Thanks for reminding us why we don't buy this bullshit any more.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 03:58 PM
Oct 2013

The Bay of Pigs.
Pinochet.
Jacobo Arbenz.
And so much more.
Including, recently...
Venezuela '02.
Bolivia '08.
Honduras '09.
And NSA spying everywhere.

ALL of the horrible U.S. interferences in Latin America have been accompanied by the bad-bad-bad propaganda that you are defending.

Venezuela is NOT all bad. The Chavez-Maduro government has numerous positive achievements, including the country's own people rating their well-being and future prospects FIFTH IN THE WORLD.

Why is NONE of this EVER reported?

Every country has problems. Every government has problems. Why is it that ONLY the problems in Venezuela are reported?

You're damn right that it has connections to the Bay of Pigs, Pinochet, Jacobo Arbenz, Salvador Allende and numerous other U.S. propaganda/coup campaigns, to this day. This bullshit is on-going. It has never stopped. And negative propaganda is one of its bullshit methods.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
9. The Chavez and Maduro regime has been in power for 14 years
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 04:46 PM
Oct 2013

The typical smoke screen won't work, they have been 14 years in power. Under normal circumstances given Capriles' popularity and Maduro's image as a fairly incompetent dude, the government would have already have changed hands. One thing Stalinists like to do is hang on to power (check the gerontocracy in Havana). But reality bites, doesn't it? These fascists running the show in Venezuela are just a bunch of incompetent thieves. They may hang on using repressive tactics, but they'll end up a laughingstock running a ruin. A tropical version of North Korea.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
10. actually, Venezuela is failing without any "help" from the US
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:07 PM
Oct 2013

no matter how much you, Chavez, and Maduro want to blame the US.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
11. Why is that ONLY the problems in Venezuela are reported?
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:47 PM
Oct 2013

Gee, I don't know, maybe because it's got TOO MANY GODDAMN problems which are only fomented by the most corrupt/inept government the country has had in its history? Things tend to look more bad than good in a country when you consider all those factors. Just ask anyone who actually lives in the damn place, or at least visits it regularly. And who is obviously not on the payroll of the Ven. government, like that hypocrite Eva Golinger.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
6. Last year Chavez was president, Maduro is president now
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 04:39 PM
Oct 2013

I think it would be useful to review the key dates:

October 2012 - Chavez re-elected, opposition candidate Capriles concedes.
December 2012 - Chavez departs for the last tie for Cuba, is never heard from again
February 2013 - Maduro announces Chavez is dead
April 2013 - Maduro apparently wins election by a razor thin margin. Capriles calls for a full vote audit, which is refused.

In between, Maduro devalues the currency, inflation jumps from less than 20 to over 45 %, food shortages intensify, electric power cuts continue, and Maduro spends a lot of tie traveling and blaming the CIA and the opposition for everything. He also has to start a war on corruption which seems to go badly. And the polls gradually shift and show the guy is losing popularity every day.

So what's wrong with Maduro? He inherited a mess from Chavez, he is incompetent and unable to do the job, and he seems to be a Cuban puppet. It's a toxic mix.

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