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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:40 PM Jul 2013

“Overwhelming” Evidence of Plot to Assassinate Venezuela’s Maduro

“Overwhelming” Evidence of Plot to Assassinate Venezuela’s Maduro
By Ryan Mallett-Outtrim
Global Research, July 26, 2013
Venezuelanalysis 25 July 2013

Head of Venezuela’s National Assembly Diosdado Cabello has stated that he will make public “hard evidence of assassination attempts” targeting himself and President Nicolas Maduro “in due course”.

“We know who they are, what they are, what they want, and we will find them,” Cabello told legislators during a special session of the assembly in Zulia state on Wednesday.

The alleged plot was first revealed by Maduro during a street government in Monagas state the day before, when he said that “fascist” groups operating in Venezuela “have crazy plans”.

“I have appointed Diosdado Cabello as political head of the PSUV to find the truth of how they have prepared for attacks against me for months,” Maduro said.

Maduro stated that if he or Cabello were targeted for assassination, “the wrath of god and the people would be unstoppable” adding that the political opposition would be crippled. “I’m not here to be afraid of anything or anyone,” he said.

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“Overwhelming” Evidence of Plot to Assassinate Venezuela’s Maduro (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2013 OP
We will have to wait for the "due course" Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #1
Who is "we"? nt Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #2
We? Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #4
These guys in VZ got nothing on the government of the United States. bemildred Jul 2013 #3
I dunno, these guys take it personal Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #5
I would think the last thing the US government would want to do would be to martyr him. Flatulo Jul 2013 #6
I have no doubts at all there are people actively studying the problem. bemildred Jul 2013 #7
Historically we've been very, very foolish. I'd like to think that we've evolved, at least at Flatulo Jul 2013 #8
I've been watching a long time, I see that the people have evolved, bemildred Jul 2013 #9
I used to be quite naive, but I've learned a lot here on DU. There's a fair amount of woo, but Flatulo Jul 2013 #10
We are all in this together. The sooner we figure that out, the better off we are all going to be. bemildred Jul 2013 #11
We could send them a giant Chavez statue made of bronze. Socialistlemur Aug 2013 #16
Or how about a boatload of the moronic sarcasm of losers? nt bemildred Aug 2013 #17
FYI, Venezuelans rated their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their own sense of well-being Peace Patriot Aug 2013 #12
So happy to read your comments! I've read these stats, and facts, as well, Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #13
Yep, that was then, this is now Socialistlemur Aug 2013 #14
I just want to see this overwhelming evidence that never comes forward Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #15
What do you mean "IF TRUE"? Do your homework! Peace Patriot Aug 2013 #19
There's no worldwide depression Socialistlemur Aug 2013 #21
It's important to look not just at a data point, but at the slope and direction of these indices. Flatulo Aug 2013 #18
Get this book: Code Red: Computerized Election Theft & The New American Century Peace Patriot Aug 2013 #20

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
1. We will have to wait for the "due course"
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:23 AM
Jul 2013

These guys are always claiming somebody wants to kill them. I think it's probably true, but I've never seen government officials so obsessed with announcing plots without offering proof. In general I'd say Cabello runs the National Assembly like a barbarian, he's known to be ultra corrupt, and even Mario Silva the guy who taped himself informing the Cuban spy said Cabello was stealing billions of usd. Hell, maybe the ones who want to kill Cabello are his own people?

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
4. We?
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

We are the Socialist Lemur Alliance for Progress. (sLAP). We live in the forest and use an old TV antenna for a wifi link to the outer world. We wait. But someday we lemurs will rule the world if we can learn to swim first.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. These guys in VZ got nothing on the government of the United States.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:51 AM
Jul 2013

We never met a threat we didn't immediately inflate to ten times it's original size. We jump at shaodws, we think we will collapse under straws. Some guys fly some planes into our power centers, make a big mess, so we destroy two countries, savage a few more, and bankrupt our citizenry to teach them a lesson.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
5. I dunno, these guys take it personal
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jul 2013

The Chavistas are always claiming its personal. Maduro actually thinks somebody wants to kill him now? Why? The way the economy is going in another 6 months one of his bodyguards will shoot him, I bet. It's going to be like an USSR style coup. And I bet they'll run the prince married to the Chavez royal princess for president this time.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
6. I would think the last thing the US government would want to do would be to martyr him.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

I dunno - are we that smart?

There're more than enough righties down there who don't wish him a long and happy life. I give it even chances of being true.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. I have no doubts at all there are people actively studying the problem.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jul 2013

Whether or not someone has been caught acitvely pursuing that end would depend on the evidence, if any is produced.

No, we are not that smart. Simple observations shows that. WE take things very personal too.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
8. Historically we've been very, very foolish. I'd like to think that we've evolved, at least at
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jul 2013

the highest levels, but as events unfold on a daily basis, it looks like maybe not?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. I've been watching a long time, I see that the people have evolved,
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jul 2013

but our "leaders" not only resist change, but break the law more or less habitually to prevent change and savage the planet to prevent it too. And they project like mad. The paranoid style in US politics goes all the way back, as you say. But some of it is deliberate too, the "crazy guy" strategy, or "winning through intimidation", we are bullies and we think it's a win if we get our way by threats or violence. We like to wave our nukes at people "subtly" at every opportunity (that's what "No options are off the table!" means.) Until THAT changes things are going to keep going downhill here. You can keep political control that way, for a while, but you cannot compete in the modern world in the long run. That's what got the USSR. The Russians got sick of paying for it like we are getting sick of paying for our fatuous foreign policy.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
10. I used to be quite naive, but I've learned a lot here on DU. There's a fair amount of woo, but
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jul 2013

your assessment of where we are seems about right. We can't continue down this path. We've lost the moral authority to lead.

I look to Denmark for a template of the kind of society I'd like to see here. The results are in, and the Danes are the happiest people on earth, while we Americans are largely miserable.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. We are all in this together. The sooner we figure that out, the better off we are all going to be.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jul 2013

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
16. We could send them a giant Chavez statue made of bronze.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:32 PM
Aug 2013

And fill it with special forces. Or maybe we can air drop economic textbooks?

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
12. FYI, Venezuelans rated their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their own sense of well-being
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:19 AM
Aug 2013

and future prospects, in the Gallup Well-being poll last year. It is basically a happiness poll.

5th in the world!

I can't remember now which four countries got even higher ratings by their citizens. Finland tied with Venezuela. The U.S., of course, was way down on the list. Denmark may be in the top four.

But I do think that it's very very notable that nobody north of the Rio Grande knows this--that Venezuelans are HAPPY--feel personally secure and well-off, and have faith in the future. The portrayal of Venezuela in the corporate 'news' monopoly, and by rightwing posters here at DU, echoing the corporate 'news' monopoly, is so distorted as to be wholly wrong IN THE ESTIMATION OF VENEZUELA'S OWN PEOPLE.

By objective criteria, they have never had it so good--as to poverty reduction, new educational opportunity, new access to health care, good jobs, good wages, good benefits, high employment, high public participation and other quantifiables. But this positive picture is also internal, in their personal assessments of their well-being. According to the corporate 'news' monopoly and the rightwing, Venezuela is virtually a dystopia--an apocalyptic nightmare. NOT to Venezuelans! How can this be? The corporate 'news' monopoly and the rightwing hugely EXAGGERATE, and often misinterpret, every flaw in the government and the country, and every negative event--floods, drought, crime--even when the government is actively responding to a problem. They ONLY report the problems. They NEVER report the government's achievements, responsiveness and goals.

One particular misinterpretation has been applied to electricity and food shortages. Both of these shortages are in part due to Venezuelans' new purchasing power. They are buying new appliances and using more electricity, on a big scale. Then the drought hit, and hydro-electric power was affected. All of this is portrayed as the FAULT of the government. But new purchasing power is not a fault--it is an achievement! The same with food. Venezuela is now "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution, according to the UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean. ERGO, Venezuelans who could barely put food on the table before can now buy more food. (The government has also documented massive food and other products hoarding by predatory capitalists trying to drive prices up and trying to bring the government down.) There may be faults in the government. What government is free of faults--failing to anticipate problems, for instance? But that is NOT the whole story. The whole story is the massive upward mobility of Venezuela's poor majority--from people barely able to scrape by, into CONSUMERS--people with money to spend, people with new wants and needs, putting new pressure on existing infrastructure and systems.

You know what hope is? Hope is feeling that problems CAN BE SOLVED. The Chavez government has solved so many problems--such as those listed above (poverty reduction, educational opportunity, etc.)--that were utterly neglected by previous governments, that people feel HOPEFUL--and this was reflected in the Gallup poll, along with particular personal advances in employment or other gains (education, housing, health care, et al) and future prospects. If you believe that your government and your society CAN solve problems, you feel optimistic, even if there are a lot of problems yet to be solved.

5th in the world! That is amazing, given the IMPRESSION of Venezuela that hostile corporate media and the rightwing create.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
13. So happy to read your comments! I've read these stats, and facts, as well,
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:21 AM
Aug 2013

but I could never be able to use them in such a remarkable statement. Of course what you have written is true. It just won't be acknowledged in corporate "news" sources. which we all learned long ago.

That last poll concerning the perception of their country by the Venezuelan public, in the last few years before, has also come out very similarly.

I've also read closely the facts concerning the very perceptible increase in fuel needs, and in food and household items due to the upward shift in personal incomes. I guess the corporate media pushers are convinced that if they keep screaming their timeworn attacks, most people won't have the time to sit down and think anything over, and will continue to buy their stale. pathetic propaganda.

I wanted to toss in that it's even more interesting thinking over the real surge in upward mobility in Venezuela from those of us who have either read, or recognized that upward mobility in the U.S. disappeared YEARS ago. That idea used to be a real selling point people used to stoke their sense that this is the most wondrous country in the world. Upward mobility was phased out long ago, actually.

Chances for a poor child in this country to ever climb out of his/her truly POOR environment are almost nil, according to real stats. What a horrid shame. Nothing to feel superior about at any level of this society, not as long as the chasm between the poor and wealthy grows continually.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
14. Yep, that was then, this is now
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:34 AM
Aug 2013

That poll, if true, was the result of a government spending money on steroids. They borrowed, printed bills, failed to pay their bills to the tune of billins of USD to sprint to the October elections with the people having a sense of euphoria. Then they had to stretch the party to the early April elections which Maduro either barely won or lost by a slight margin...we will never know for sure.

The tremendous effort made to pump up happiness has led to the ensuing mess....huge inflation which is now approaching 40 % per year, food shortages, and none to negative economic growth. Government actions to plug the holes have been very counterproductive and thus far the crisis has been contained somewhat with MORE borrowing. Meanwhile their repression of the media and opposition keep increasing because they realize right now Maduro's popularity is way below Capriles'.

And because things are getting worse and will be a lot worse by year end the only solution they apparently see is a Stalinist or Castroite repressive apparatus. This of course is what the Cubans who advise Maduro are telling him to do. I think by now we do know Maduro spends most of the time traveling around, Arreaza is the guy who runs the day to day business...and he does it with heavy Cuban involvement. The word I get from Cubans who are connected to their government is that Castro thinks he has to eventually jail or retire most of the chavista leadership because its either rotten or plain stupid.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
19. What do you mean "IF TRUE"? Do your homework!
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:04 PM
Aug 2013
"That poll, if true, was the result of a government spending money on steroids." --Socialistlemur


And, no, I am not going to do it for you. LOOK IT UP!

And, no, Venezuelans' satisfaction with their lives and future prospects is NOT entirely due to government spending--though government spending is THE RIGHT THING TO DO in this Bush Junta-induced worldwide depression. Basic Keynesian economics: put money in the hands of the poor and THEY will repair the economy. But the Chavez/Maduro government has done far more than this, including overseeing spectacular growth in the PRIVATE sector NOT INCLUDING OIL. They have also opened up the political process to the poor majority, so people feel empowered and positive about their society--useful, dignified, important. This is what the Gallup poll measured--feelings of SELF-WORTH. You don't get that--FIFTH IN THE WORLD on well-being--when people feel disempowered, robbed, useless and unimportant and when government is unresponsive to them. Government has a great deal to do with setting the TONE of society, as well as actively attending to--and succeeding at--items like income distribution.

"THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution--UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean.

Do. Your Homework.

Your other statements are equally unreliable--just a lot of rightwing/corporate garbage, crap that we've heard time and again as the 1% tries to dismantle the "New Deal" here and loot everything in sight, and prevent any "New Deals" anywhere else. Vague, uninformed, sneering, impressionistic, grandly opinionated and fact-less. You ought to work for Faux News.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
21. There's no worldwide depression
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 06:18 PM
Aug 2013

There's only problems in Venezuela, Spain, Greece and a few other countries. The world economy has recovered from the bush mess. Spending and allowing corruption like Chavez did was irresponsible. And I'm still waiting for the overwhelming evidence. When are they going to show it?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
18. It's important to look not just at a data point, but at the slope and direction of these indices.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:43 PM
Aug 2013

I'd bet the USA is currently trailing in overall happiness, because for so long we've had it pretty good. Heck, we invented upward mobility, even though its now largely out of reach for most of us. We're facing a disturbing trend of income inequality that seems to be getting worse each year. Our middle class is under relentless assault, and the current administration seems unable to reverse course. I'm not blaming the president - the moves towards globalization and resultant job loss started in the eighties, and have only accelerated since. Our incredible production capacity has been dismantled in favor of fictional Wall Street schemes. When the schemes blow up, the long-suffering 'little guy' is forced to bail out the Wall Street wunderkind. The rich just get richer, and it's done on the backs of the little guy.

Our government is completely inaccessible to us, and voting seems to be done out of a quaint, nostalgic sense that it actually matters. With very very few exceptions, our elected representatives only respond to the clinking of coin and the lure of the quid quo pro.

By contrast, LA peoples, for the first time in their history, have leaders that at least seem to care about their well-being. Whether they're competent or not is almost beside the point - they're making investments in raising up the poor.

So I can understand why the polls are reflecting these sentiments. I'm 57 y/o and I've never felt less optimistic about my future. My government seems determined to gut the programs that I will be dependent on so that billionaires won't have to spend another dime in taxes.

I've worked hard my entire life to put my son through a good school so that he can make a decent living and be happy, but he can't even find work in retail. I saved and saved my entire working life, only to see those savings disappear overnight every few years as millionaires and billionaires decide to scrape all that money off the table. And who can stop them? No one.

No, I'd be very skeptical of any polls showing Americans to be in a peachy mood.

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