US 'deeply concerned' by reports of bipartisan support for illegal wars

[Catherina]

Whoops no, wrong title. That would be too good to be true.

For anyone under the illusion that the US is "deeply concerned' about increased homelessness, unemployment, the accelerated loss of civil liberties in the US, all the innocent people being tortured at Guantanamo, US corporations not paying taxes as they subvert democracy, here's what the US is concerned about right now:

US 'deeply concerned' by brawl in Venezuela assembly

(AFP) – 58 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — The United States said Wednesday it was "deeply concerned" by a brawl in Venezuela's parliament, urging calm in the wake of the country's disputed presidential elections.

Political tensions boiled over in the National Assembly Tuesday as government and opposition lawmakers clashed physically.

"Let me speak clearly: violence has no place in a representative, democratic system and is particularly inappropriate within a National Assembly," US State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell told reporters in Washington.

"We're deeply concerned by the violence that occurred, express our solidarity with those injured and again we urge all parties to refrain from acts and attitudes which contribute to physical confrontation."

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Ventrell also reiterated Washington's request for a vote recount.

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LMAO. Be concerned all you want. Be concerned rather that your polite bipartisan congress dragged our country into wars we didn't want and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Be concerned rather that your complicit, bipartisan Congress is taking food out of the mouths of the elderly, the poor, the young, the defenseless to fatten the coffers of corporations. Be concerned rather that your Congress works for the banking industry. Concerned lol. Pffft. Try to find something worthwhile to be *concerned* about.

[Arctic Dave]

1. Wonder what they day when Japan does it.

Or all the other countries where brawls happen.

What? They don't say anything? Oh, this is just another instance of the US should STFU and mind their own business.

[Catherina]

2. Monkee see no evil lol

[Flatulo]

3. That's right - the Japanese ands Korean parliamentarians regularly beat the living shit

out of one another.

It's really something to see.

Of course, we give no shit about it.

[joshcryer]

6. I suspect if the US condemned it in South Korea...

...we'd be all up in arms over it since the opposition there is left oriented and are responsible for the brawls.

It's not about the beat downs persay, it's who's doing the beatdowns. Chavistas beat down silent protesters = good on them, yay.

[Flatulo]

9. As regards LA and some leftist posters here, well, yeah. Absolutely.

It's been my observation that nearly all leftward movements of various societies are accompanied by violence.

Also rightward movements.

That's why I'm a middle of the road kind of guy. I don't think people should force other people to do things against their will.

But as a middle of the road kind of guy, I am truly, absolutely astounded at the attitudes of the communists here. I would be absolutely terrified if our leadership ever pulled as hard a left as these people support. Yikes, they think Obama is hard RW.

[ocpagu]

10. The political spectrum of the US...

... does not reflect the perception of a worldwide political spectrum. US governance tends to the right, no matter which party is on power.

A party such as the Republicans would easily be called far right almost anywhere in Latin America. A party as the Democrats would be considered center, center-right. The Democrats are the only "progressist" party of the Hemisphere that hasn't recognized Maduro. Even right-wing parties in South America have recognized him. The Democrats are siding with the far right on this issue. That says a lot.

[Flatulo]

14. Yes, I get that. But I was speaking as a dot on the US political spectrum, on which I sit

somewhat left of center. On the LA political spectrum, I would certainly be on the right, but not the far right, despite the claims of Chavistas who label anyone who disagrees with them even -><- this much.

[ocpagu]

12. Oh...

As for "I would be absolutely terrified if our leadership ever pulled as hard a left as these people support"

What most "communists" (?) here support, according to what I've seen, are actually quite civilized practices aiming social justice and peaceful reform. Land reform, universal education, universal health care, clean elections, end of impunity for criminals. Those are the talking points brought by the "communists" (?) in this forum. I've never read anything "shocking" coming from them.

Now, what I've seen here are some "progressive" posters that sound exactly like the hardcore right-wingers across Latin America. The arguments about Chávez "buying" votes, about Latin American voters being uneducated beasts who don't know what is better for themselves, the incitation of hate ("chavistas comemierdas", "chavista pigs&quot , the support for a candidate running with a party with close connections with the Republicans and the European far right, the open support for guys such as Uribe, the open support for right-wing coups such as the one Honduras, the support for the parliamentary coup in Paraguay, etc, etc, etc... I have even seen posters supporting the Monroe Doctrine as a "good thing" for Latin America.

Now... that can't be explained.

[Flatulo]

15. Let me tell you what I've observed about 'social justice and peaceful reform' in the world.

It pits the poor against everyone else. The middle class, which I'll call the productive class, meaning doctors, lawyers, engineers and scientists, teachers, managers etc gradually gets vilified as 'social justice' comes to mean 'stealing the wealth that the middle class has earned'. Every transfer of wealth to the poor is justified as taking back from the parasites who have stolen it for the working poor. The working poor cheer this on, of course.

So what do the middle class, the producers do? To the extent that they are able, they get the hell out of dodge. Of course they are then called traitors and swine for not allowing themselves to be sacrificed for the greater good. As more and more of them leave, the society relies more and more on those who remain until they are destroyed. Businesses and factories and all the means of production are 'expropriated' until the state is running everything. Since the state is not very good at running everything, services suffer, and quite predictably, the ruling elite blame the rich, saboteurs, the USA, the political opposition, and every single last soul on earth excluding themselves.

The communists on this board cheer on every single move by the regime to blame the opposition and the wealthy swine, and posters here even call for the imprisonment and death of the opposition while their cohorts cheer them on.

This process has been repeated over and over again throughout the last hundred years. It always plays out the exact same way, and it always ends the same way - in violence as the opposition is further and further marginalized.

So, in brief, yes, I am terrified by the words of the communists here. I notice that none of the communists actually live in Venezuela, despite their praise of their reforms. Venezuela may be able to mask the rot in their society by their vast oil wealth, but when that is gone, what will there be to fund their massive welfare state? Do they produce anything else of significance? Automobiles, aircraft, consumer goods, electronics, athletic equipment, software, financial services, etc?

As to the OP, I couldn't agree more that the USA should mind it's own fucking business and shut the hell up about Venezuela. It is absolutely none of our business how they resolve their own election. FWIW, I believe Maduro did win, by a thin margin, and we should butt our and let nature take its course.

[joshcryer]

5. Oh the US is certainly duplicitous.

Like many on this forum. On the one hand we have posters here cheering this violence and on the other hand we have the same posters, who illustrated their fascist tendencies, denouncing an opinion of a duplicitous state.

BTW, I think you're confusing Japan with South Korea and Taiwan when these kinds of brawls break out. Particularly South Korea because they don't have a filibuster and shitty laws get passed and the only way the opposition can stop it (or at least delay it) is to get into a shoving match.

[Arctic Dave]

11. No. Japanese parliment gets quite rowdy and brawl.

Look it up.

[ocpagu]

4. LOL. Too good to be true.

What a joke. If they are "deeply concerned" with political turmoil in Venezuela, they could start by stopping backing Capriles' whining and recognize Maduro as the legitimate president, not giving him more fuel.

[Bacchus4.0]

7. the joke is the Ven government where the leaders are violent pigs

what does Venezuela´s government need US recognition for? If I were Obama I would not recognize Maduro at least until he frees that American filmaker who is now a political prisoner.

[ocpagu]

8. It doesn't.

My point is US government hypocrisy and selective indignation.

[Flatulo]

16. And your point is quite valid. I had expected better from Mr. Obama. He certainly seems to be

following our old Latin American play book.

[idwiyo]

13. Priorities, priorities!...