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muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:55 AM Apr 2013

Bolivia to take Chile sea dispute to international court

Bolivia has said it will file a law suit against Chile at the International Court of Justice on Wednesday to reclaim access to the Pacific Ocean.

Bolivia lost access to the coastline in a 19th Century war with Chile, leaving it landlocked ever since.
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It still maintains a small navy and each year celebrates the Day of the Sea. President Evo Morales announced his intention of taking the case to the International Court of Justice at this year's celebrations to mark the day.

According to the court's statutes, Bolivia will now have to outline its arguments and demonstrate previous attempts at solving the dispute.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22277407
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Bolivia to take Chile sea dispute to international court (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 OP
Does anyone know what the standard is naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #1
I suppose they could rule in Bolivia's favor however I doubt there is any enforcement Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #2
There is no standard. Laelth Apr 2013 #4
That's what I thought as well naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #5
Me too, sadly. Laelth Apr 2013 #6
It seems to me naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #7
The Peruvians have proposed to do exactly that. Laelth Apr 2013 #8
Interesting, didn't know that naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #9
Bolivia has long sought access to the Pacific. Laelth Apr 2013 #3
The context is the 2008 Bush Junta coup attempt against Morales. Peace Patriot Apr 2013 #10
Thanks for the info naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #11
Nice summarization, thanks. ocpagu Apr 2013 #12
This post shouldn't be missed. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #14
Bolivia Presents Lawsuit at Hague to Resolve its Sea Access dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #13
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
1. Does anyone know what the standard is
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:59 AM
Apr 2013

for solving disputes such as this? Is it just a "this isn't fair" argument? Would Germany have a case for taking back East Prussia?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
2. I suppose they could rule in Bolivia's favor however I doubt there is any enforcement
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

mechanism to actually require Chile to cede their territory to Bolivia.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. There is no standard.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:24 AM
Apr 2013

Maps get redrawn after military conflicts, and the winners, generally speaking, get to draw the lines. That's the only standard of which I am aware.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Me too, sadly.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

Bolivia is the poorest nation in South America. It also South America's only landlocked nation, and it stands to reason that these two facts are linked. I am very fond of Chile, but I do not agree with them on this. The Bolivian people would greatly benefit from a port on the Pacific, and they have a reasonable claim to the land in question.

-Laelth

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
7. It seems to me
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

That Chile could be able to just provide them with some sort of Free trade zone sort of access i.e. you have full rights to the port and to move goods from the port to Bolivia.

Something like that would allow Chilean politicians to give Bolivia what it needs without have surrendered territory.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. The Peruvians have proposed to do exactly that.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:59 AM
Apr 2013

The Chileans also have an offer on the table to let the Bolivians use their ports, but it is less generous.

This is all about newly-discovered natural gas that Bolivia wants to export. Chile and Peru are both wanting to handle the processing and shipping of gas coming through a proposed pipeline from Bolivia. Bolivia wants to do all the processing, refining, and shipping itself. We'll see how it plays out.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. Bolivia has long sought access to the Pacific.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:22 AM
Apr 2013

They had that access at one point, but, if I recall, Chile invaded and took the land in "self-defense," kind of like the Israelis holding the Golan Heights. At a later point, I think Chile promised to give the land back, but when Bolivia came asking for it, Chile refused. Now, Bolivia is asking for it again.

This dispute has a long, complicated history. I hope it gets sorted out.

-Laelth

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
10. The context is the 2008 Bush Junta coup attempt against Morales.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:44 PM
Apr 2013

The Bushwhacks were funding/organizing a white separatist coup attempt right out of the U.S. embassy. The white separatists wanted to split Bolivia in two and take the provinces that have the gas, one of Bolivia's main resources. All of South America mobilized in support of Morales, the first Indigenous president of Bolivia (a largely Indigenous country), who had just won the presidential election with something like 60% of the vote. The leader of Morales' South American support was Michele Batchelet, president of Chile and first president of the newly formed South American unity organization, UNASUR. The organization had only been formalized a few months before (in summer 2008).

Batchelet called an emergency meeting of UNASUR and took the delegates on a tour of Chile's Pinochet museum, and told them that they must not let this happen again. (Batchelet's father had been tortured to death by that U.S.-supported fascist regime.) UNASUR went into action, with a unanimous resolution and delegations to Bolivia, PLUS individual countries' aid to Morales. Brazil and Argentina--Bolivia's main gas customers--for instance, made it clear to the white separatists that they would not trade them in a split-up Bolivia. Venezuela provided legal aid to help Morales re-negotiate the gas contracts on more favorable terms for Bolivia. The new super highway from Brazil (between the Pacific and Atlantic) was altered to include a spur through Bolivia. And Batchelet negotiated and signed an agreement with Bolivia for Bolivia's access to the sea. (The latter two aids were obviously related--Bolivia would thus become part of a major trade route from Africa to Asia!)

So far so good. The white separatist insurrection was defeated. Morales began to make good progress in poverty reduction. But then, Batchelet was termed out and couldn't run again in Chile, though she left office with an 80% approval rating. Rightwing billionaire Sebastian Pinera defeated the socialist candidate (a Batchelet aide, but apparently without Batchelet's charisma) and on his first day in office, even before he was inaugurated, Pinera ripped up the agreement on Bolivia's access to the sea and has been making trouble for Morales over this ever since.

Pinera now has a 25% approval rating. And Batchelet, having skipped a term, is allowed to run again, is running this year, and still has a huge approval rating. She will likely be re-elected and will likely settle this matter with Bolivia once and for all.

This is very likely why Bolivia has taken the matter to the Hague, at this time--in anticipation of a Batchelet victory in Chile.

All of this context is "black-holed' in the BBCons' story. They link to another of their stories which they entitled, "Bolivia Stokes Chile border tensions." Bolivia! This article also portrays Bolivia as somehow being a trouble-maker for seeking sea access that had already been granted, sea access that had been designed to give poverty-stricken Bolivia a leg up in the world and to counter grave RIGHTWING troublemaking (riots, murders) within Bolivia and coming from Washington DC.

I don't call them the BBCons for nothing. They color every story about Latin America against the new leftist democracy governments, against peace and amity among Latin American countries, and against social justice and independence for these countries and their region. The BBC is no longer a reliable, objective news source. It is a tragedy for western journalism to see one of the last relatively reliable, objective news sources go down the corporate/war profiteer path. But I have seen too many omissions and distortions--and "black holes" where information should be, and even outright campaigning against leftist leaders and outright lies--in BBC coverage of Latin America, to consider them anything but Cons. Conservatives. Con-artists. Unreliable. Non-objective. Propagandists.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
11. Thanks for the info
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:42 PM
Apr 2013

I hadn't realized that Pinera had ripped up the contract.

Anyway, in regards to this statement:

The new super highway from Brazil (between the Pacific and Atlantic) was altered to include a spur through Bolivia. And Batchelet negotiated and signed an agreement with Bolivia for Bolivia's access to the sea. (The latter two aids were obviously related--Bolivia would thus become part of a major trade route from Africa to Asia!)

I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that someone shipping something from China to Africa would ship to South America and then unload the ship, put it on a truck to the Atlantic, and then put it back on a ship to Africa?

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
12. Nice summarization, thanks.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

I also believe Bachelet can help Bolivia reach a final solution for this problem. One more reason why she needs to come back.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
13. Bolivia Presents Lawsuit at Hague to Resolve its Sea Access
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

The Hague, Holland, Apr 24 (Prensa Latina) Bolivia presented a lawsuit against Chile at the U.N. International Court of Justice, aimed at resolving the conflict between the two countries over sovereign access to the Pacific Ocean.
The lawsuit was presented by the Minister of Foreign Affairs David Choquehuanca, accompanied by former President Eduardo Rodriguez Veltze, ambassador in charge of the complaint, along with various ministers.

After handing over the documents to set in motion the lawsuit, Choquehuanca read a press release stating Bolivia's willingness to continue bilateral dialogue with its neighboring country.

"This demand is not based on the 1904 Treaty. Bolivia, in accordance to the regulation included in international law, clarifies that the lawsuit is not an unfriendly action against Chile and only seeks a resolution to a problem," noted Choquehuanca.

http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1345601&Itemid=1

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