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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:37 AM Apr 2013

Armed Capriles gang just attacked a Venezuelan Cuban healthcare center. One reportedly dead

President Maduro was just on TV talking about this. He's extremely angry about the violence Capriles and his rightwing thugs are unleashing. 'The Yankees want us to fight brother against brother, we won't give them that satisfaction' he says. ("Los gringos quisieran que peleáramos pueblo contra pueblo, no les daremos el gusto&quot . He said the people who were defending the healthcare center in Limonera where shot.

Sandra Castillo ?@castillosandra 9m

Ahora en vivo en Telesur ola de violencia de la derecha en Venezuela. Bandas armadas asaltan el CDI de La Limonera: un muerto #Venezuela
https://twitter.com/castillosandra/status/324004910251249665


Un muerto y un herido grave por ataque a ambulatorio popular en el este de Caracas por un grupo armado no identificado. Telesur

https://twitter.com/nspecchia/status/324006591663849473



CDI (Integral Diagnostic Center) - health care center, the ones run in cooperation with the Cuban government. http://www.avn.info.ve/contenido/venezuela-has-556-cdi-health-care-centers


Being reported on Telesur now. The Director of the Center is talking about the attack. Apparently, there is one dead. http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo

Witnesses now talking and crying
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Armed Capriles gang just attacked a Venezuelan Cuban healthcare center. One reportedly dead (Original Post) Catherina Apr 2013 OP
Capriles attitude is suspicious. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #1
Suspicious is putting it generously Catherina Apr 2013 #3
I think he's making his move. bemildred Apr 2013 #16
Opposition Groups attack a clinic in Caracas. One reportedly dead. Several injuries Catherina Apr 2013 #2
Ooh, new Maduro tactic, blame regular everyday murders on Capriles supporters. joshcryer Apr 2013 #4
Capridiots want the world to see how progressive they are, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #5
National guard kills two armed Tupamaros as 6 shot in Maracaibo (VIDEO) joshcryer Apr 2013 #6
wow, its on now. Venezuela's future is NOT chavismo n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #22
Disgusting and reprehensible. I hope no one was seriously hurt and I hope they are making arrests. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #7
We've seen agents provocateurs used in creating violence right here Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #8
Rinse. Lather. Repeat. The same ole script Catherina Apr 2013 #10
I hope so too. What is different this time is the people. I think they will remember too and even sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #11
I think that's not going to happen. We're broke from two wars, and frankly, I don't think Flatulo Apr 2013 #17
Violent Capriles groups attack 8 CDIs en Carabobo, attacking Cuban doctors/medics Catherina Apr 2013 #9
Incredibly nasty actions against the people of Venezuela and their health providers. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #13
I won't say this is as low as they can go, because they can always go lower. ocpagu Apr 2013 #20
They do always find a way to outdo previous criminality. Attacking health workers is ugly, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #23
sooner or later dtom67 Apr 2013 #12
Maduro is the one saying the country is rioting. joshcryer Apr 2013 #15
Word salad. Wonderful! Thanks for your contribution. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #18
Yawn .......... you say the same things after every election you and your fright-wingers lose. polly7 Apr 2013 #19
Then we'll just wish Maduro the long safe life of Castro Catherina Apr 2013 #24
K&R idwiyo Apr 2013 #14
Today is the 10th Anniversary of these centers. The PSUV swears to build thousands more Catherina Apr 2013 #21

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
1. Capriles attitude is suspicious.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:38 AM
Apr 2013

Consider too that the final result was much closer than the polls stated.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. Suspicious is putting it generously
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:48 AM
Apr 2013

President Maduro is going to need a lot of wisdom and support from other Latin American countries to navigate this minefield and keep as much calm as possible.

Thankfully he's getting official recognition and support from the ALBA bloc.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. I think he's making his move.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:54 AM
Apr 2013

Perhaps he was encouraged by the competitive outcome. Or perhaps we are making his move for him.

Which would, of course, be a very stupid thing to do, so of course we will back it all the way.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. Opposition Groups attack a clinic in Caracas. One reportedly dead. Several injuries
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:45 AM
Apr 2013
Opposition Groups attack a clinic in Caracas. One reportedly dead. Several injuries

One person reportedly died and several were injured in the attack by opposition groups of a clinic in Caracas, as reported by the elected president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro on Telesur.

Telesur reported that an "anti-Chavez group" attacked the clinic located in La Limonera (Caracas) "after threatening and intimidating the residents." "There is one dead and one seriously injured person," he said through the social network Twitter.

Asked about this incident in the barracks of the Mountain, the acting president answered: "They say there's a dead and wounded", but has refused to officially confirm all the details.

This event is part of the riots that have erupted in Caracas and other Venezuelan cities to reject or uphold the election results after the National Electoral Council (CNE) Maduro proclaimed president-elect.

...

http://www.europapress.es/latam/venezuela/noticia-venezuela-ataque-grupos-opositores-ambulatorio-caracas-habria-saldado-muerto-varios-heridos-20130416063254.html

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
5. Capridiots want the world to see how progressive they are,
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:46 AM
Apr 2013

how much Capriles can be trusted to respect the progress made already on behalf of the majority of Venezuelans.

Familiar pattern, by now.

Next they cut the electricity, and the water, and refuse to allow the people inside the place to get food or medicine brought in to them. Maybe they'll even start fires again.

Assholes. Everyone knows it.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
6. National guard kills two armed Tupamaros as 6 shot in Maracaibo (VIDEO)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:02 AM
Apr 2013
ANGEL ⭐ Wiccan ⭐ ™ @ ANGEL_WICCANO 10m
RT @ alexvzlalibre : SOURCE: The GN defended and killed two students in the CNE Tupamaros in Maracaibo. Here nobody surrenders!
https://twitter.com/alexvzlalibre/status/324036398581702656


Video: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10151355809731333

Chavista thugs. The students didn't back down.

(Tupamaros are one of many chavista paramilitary groups in Venezuela.)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Disgusting and reprehensible. I hope no one was seriously hurt and I hope they are making arrests.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:03 AM
Apr 2013

Venezuelans should not engage them. I think Madura is correct, the US wants to see a civil war there and then we will once again, invade the country on the pretext that we are 'helping bring democracy to them'. Just like Iraq, just like Libyan just like Syria and Afghanistan and Somalia.

We want control of every oil producing country in the world or countries with strategic access to them.

We knew this would happen if the Right Winger didn't win though. They ARE predictable at least.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
8. We've seen agents provocateurs used in creating violence right here
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:10 AM
Apr 2013

in our own country, to create the illusion leftists need some real rough treatment from our police and the court system. It's an old, old story.

In other countries the provocateurs show up and create the appearance of a government which presents the US' self-invitation to invade and lay waste to people they claim are preventing "democracy." God, that's a filthy, and old, old routine by now.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
10. Rinse. Lather. Repeat. The same ole script
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:27 AM
Apr 2013

the same use of young people to provide cover for the destabilization.

We did know but it's devastating watching it happen. I hope Maduro will manage to keep the calm because this could get very ugly, very fast. Completely predictable. Deja vu too many times.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. I hope so too. What is different this time is the people. I think they will remember too and even
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:34 AM
Apr 2013

those who may not have voted for Maduro, who fell for the 'moderate' lie, may see him now for what he was all along.

I hope so, but this looks like a US backed operation, as I said before, it smells like Karl Rove or one of our Right Wing strategists.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
17. I think that's not going to happen. We're broke from two wars, and frankly, I don't think
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:45 PM
Apr 2013

Mr. Obama has any interest in LA. He's pretty busy with the Far East right now. If hostilities erupt between the Koreas, it will be big time, WWII scale conflict.

As long as Venezuela needs to sell oil to fund their lavish welfare state, and we need to buy it, there will be no invasion happening.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. Violent Capriles groups attack 8 CDIs en Carabobo, attacking Cuban doctors/medics
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:20 AM
Apr 2013
Violent Capriles groups attack 8 CDIs en Carabobo

At CDI Trigaleña, about 150 people forced their way in attacking Cuban doctors/medics

Carabobo State Governor, Francisco Ameliach, reported that anti-Chavez groups came violently to 8 Integral Diagnostic Centers (CDI) on Monday night.

He noted that a group of followers of the losing candidate tried to burn 300 petrocasas(**) but "the community reacted and drove away the fascists".

...

The Governor urged people to remain peace and calm in face of the destabilizing acts by the right wing.

http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/politica/grupos-violentos-seguidores-capriles-atacan-8-cdi-carabobo/



**Petrocasa ("Oil House&quot is a type of Venezuelan family houses, built in mass production. These houses are produced since 2007 by Corporación Petroquímica de Venezuela (Pequiven) and are largely utilized in rural areas under the public housing program, Mission Habitat. The houses typically have 70 m² of living space, which is distributed in three bedrooms, two bathrooms, living room, kitchen and dining room. The houses are made of PVC profiles which are assembled locally, and then filled with concrete, steel and iron girders. The walls are self-extinguishing in case of a fire, and resist an attack with nine-millimeter ammunition virtually unscathed. The German Technical Inspection Association (TÜV) Rheinland certified in August 2009 that the PVC used was free of carcinogenic substances.

The homes can be built in 10–12 days. There are currently three factories in Venezuela producing the Petrocasa “kits” in the states of Carabobo and Apure.[1]

In the state of Carabobo, more than 27 thousand people have benefited from the construction of 6,000 homes fabricated from materials originating from the nation’s massive oil industry.[2]

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
13. Incredibly nasty actions against the people of Venezuela and their health providers.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 04:05 AM
Apr 2013

It's hard to believe anyone could sink this low. Decent people wouldn't ever EVER consider it.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
20. I won't say this is as low as they can go, because they can always go lower.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:01 PM
Apr 2013

But it's so sick to attack health care workers that I don't even know words that could express how I feel about it.

Hope Maduro can stop these fanatics and trace back the intelectual authors for presentation in courts.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
23. They do always find a way to outdo previous criminality. Attacking health workers is ugly,
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:43 PM
Apr 2013

and you're right: it's nastier even due to the fact these people are there to help others who need their help badly, who would probably have NO help at all without them.

Human beings wouldn't dream of this kind of evil acton. It's a crime against Venezuela, against humanity.

dtom67

(634 posts)
12. sooner or later
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:58 AM
Apr 2013

The wealthy elites will regain control of Venezuela's oil. They bought themselves a pro - US business candidate and tried to influence the election. The next step is to pay people to take to the streets and riot. Through proper use of Corporate Media, it will look like the whole country is rioting.
After that , its time for a coup. Once that is done, Venezuela will take huge loans from the World Bank. Capriles lines his pockets and the People get stuck with the check.

Or Maduro will die in a plane crash.

It happens all the time down there, ya know......

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
15. Maduro is the one saying the country is rioting.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:40 AM
Apr 2013

And blaming Capriles.

The chavistas are the ones, through shipping baron Wilmer Ruperti, doing business with the United States and selling most of their oil to the United States. The chavistas are the ones importing US refined gasoline at $200 a barrel to subsidize to the people at $5 a barrel when 85% of Venezuelans don't even have cars.

I swear the facts never actually seem to be accepted on this forum.

I expect Capriles to be arrested and die in transport.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
18. Word salad. Wonderful! Thanks for your contribution.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

Capriles arrested, to die in transport? Really? You expect that will happen?

[center][/center]
It won't happen as long as the right-wing interests can use him more alive.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. Then we'll just wish Maduro the long safe life of Castro
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 04:19 PM
Apr 2013

Other than that, I agree that your posts speaks truth to the desired outcome people are going to do their best to pursue.

I trust that Maduro learned from Chavez, to included Chavez' mistakes, and pays very close heed to Castro's warnings about his health, especially what he's given to eat. The same for Morales whom Chavez warned before he died.

It would be too optimistic to expect any such thing of Obama with the following warning:


I, for one, do not hesitate in stating my modest opinion –which emanates from more than half a century of struggle - that the oligarchy will never again be able to govern that country. That is the reason why the U.S. government’s decision to promote the overthrow of the Bolivarian government under such circumstances becomes a source of concern.

Moreover, to insist on a slanderous campaign stating that among the top leadership of the Bolivarian government there is a desperate quarrel to assume command of the revolutionary government if the President is not able to overcome his illness, is tantamount to constructing a crude lie.

On the contrary, I have been able to see the closest unity among the leaders of the Bolivarian Revolution.

Under such circumstances, any mistake made by Obama could provoke rivers of blood in Venezuela. The Venezuelan blood is also Ecuadorian, Brazilian, Argentinean, Bolivian, Chilean, Uruguayan, Central American, Dominican and Cuban blood.

It is necessary to bear in mind this reality when analyzing the political situation in Venezuela.

...


Fidel Ruiz Castro

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
21. Today is the 10th Anniversary of these centers. The PSUV swears to build thousands more
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

a new one was inaugurated earlier today.

Andrés Izarra ?@IzarraDeVerdad 18m

Inauguraremos miles de nuevos CDI por cada uno que los fascistas le quemen al pueblo
We will inaugurate thousands more new CDIs for every one that the fascists burn down.

https://twitter.com/turquinauta/status/324205596163334144


Mission Barrio Adentro

Mission Barrio Adentro (English: "Mission Inside the Neighborhood&quot is a Bolivarian national social welfare program established under late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. The program seeks to provide comprehensive publicly funded health care, dental care, and sports training to poor and marginalized communities in Venezuela. Barrio Adentro features the construction of thousands of iconic two-storey medical clinics—consultorios or doctor’s offices—as well as staffing with resident certified medical professionals. Barrio Adentro constitutes an attempt to deliver a de facto form of universal healthcare, seeking to guarantee access to quality and cradle-to-grave medical attention for all Venezuelan citizens.

...

Background

The Barrio Adentro program was developed against a background of a public health sector crumbling under long-term financial pressure. As part of the neoliberalisation programme of the early 1990s under President Rafael Caldera, a Venezuela struggling with inflation and a low oil price (oil being its primary export) was forced into spending cuts and privatisation in a number of sectors, including healthcare. A 1989 decentralisation law contributed to the trend; from 1993, state governors could request the transfer of public healthcare in their state to their control, and the inability to cope with the new responsibility encouraged cuts and privatisation. Cost recovery became increasingly prevalent through "voluntary" contributions from users.[5] In addition to the problems with the healthcare system, over the course of the decade health problems caused by poverty (infectious and deficiency diseases) increased. By 1999, 67.7% of the Venezuelan population was living in poverty, from 44.4% in 1990.[5]

...

Following a series of discussions between IED and local residents, a proposal was formulated to set up a "Plan Barrio Adentro" using small local clinics to provide free healthcare "inside the neighbourhood" where previously there was none, and to involve residents in the management of the scheme. Bernal then issued a call for doctors, but the Venezuelan Medical Federation put pressure on its members not to apply.[4] Of the 50 Venezuelan doctors who did apply, 30 left on hearing that they would need to live in the barrios; the remaining 20 were specialists and therefore employed in specialist centers and not required to work in the primary health care centers in the barrios.[4] Faced with a lack of willing doctors, Bernal recalled the Cuban doctors who had provided emergency aid following the 1999 mud slides, and discussion with the Cuban Embassy in February 2003 ultimately led to a contingent of 58 Cuban doctors starting the program in April 2003.[6] In the interim, three Cuban physicians spent a month visiting the barrios, examining the homes and clinic spaces offered by the community.[4] By May 2003 another 100 Cuban doctors arrived, and were sent to other parts of Libertador and to other municipalities in and around Caracas.[4] Besides diagnosis and treatment, including the provision of free prescription drugs, the doctors carried out a health census of the barrios, which provided a complete health survey of the Caracas barrios for the first time.[4]

Despite some obstacles (including a refusal by public hospitals to accept referrals for diagnosis and treatment, only gradually and partially overcome during 2003), "Plan Barrio Adentro" became very popular with its constituents.[4] By December 2003, "Plan Barrio Adentro"—having seen over 9m patient consultations and 4m health interventions[4]—was so popular that it was attracting national attention, and President Chávez transformed it into a national program, named "Mission Barrio Adentro" (MBA). It became the first of a series of popular "missions" bypassing existing public institutions.[6]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro
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