This is how "progressives" talk?

[MADem]

Sorry--to me, that's some ugly shit. WY allowed 'absentee' caucusing and TH didn't like it, so he makes a disabled joke.

He deleted his tasteless comment....but the internet is forever.

[Hoyt]

1. Did Hartmann really say that? Jesus.

[MADem]

3. yes, he did.

And thanks to tweet savers, his rude remark is forever.

[Cha]

7. Oh yeah, because I'm sure he'd want to delete that tweet once he decided to

actually think. Not something you'd freaking double down on like ..

"Yes, she Unqualified".. before you said "Of course, she qualified".. they're so confused.

[stopbush]

2. What a useless jerk Thom Hartmann is.

The guy wrote a book averring that JFK was killed by the mob. That's all you need to know about this idiot.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

51. Always found his show rather boring

[Kath1]

4. Thank you.

The real progressives are supporting Hillary Clinton.

[shenmue]

12. Yes

[NuclearDem]

5. It's how sore losers talk, certainly.

[brush]

28. I'm not the first to say it but everytime Sanders loses his supporters claim election fraud.

When Clinton loses her supporters congratulate Sanders on his win.

[MADem]

69. It's disappointing, isn't it.

And the thing is, he "won" this one, even though all he won was a TIE.

Apparently there is evidence to suggest that a thesis a DUer put forward here, that the "unqualified" comment he made resonated, had currency.

Women are generally OVERqualified for any job they take on in public life.

[Cha]

6. WTF, thom Hartman.. and yeah I know you post here and I hope you're reading this.

JHC.. This is UNREAL.. thank you for this MADem.

What kind of person whine's about "Disabled People" Voting. "Shame" is right.



I'll be sharing this.. thank you again.

[FrenchieCat]

19. That one, I can throw under the bus...

Cause he was never my cup of tea...I'm not into the Know-it-alls!

[Surya Gayatri]

24. Hey Frenchie, who knew we had exactly the same impression of Hartmann?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511696163#post15

[FrenchieCat]

77. !

[otohara]

63. I Forgot He Loves DU

Stopped listening to him and his Bro when Sanders started with the primary talk.

Thanks for posting this because he deleted that tweet.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. Haven't listened to TH since shortly before Obama's election. He's a fearmongerer, and less than...

truthful at times.

[Surya Gayatri]

22. He enjoys the sound of his own bombast...

Condescending know-it-all.

[KittyWampus]

34. Sounds like Sanders, actually. And I'm thinking a Demagogue like Sanders

who is appealing to emotions like anger are going to tend to have supporters who respond to adversity like this.

[Surya Gayatri]

37. He and the Bern have a right old mutual admiration society

when Bern comes on his show for "Brunch with Bernie". The mutual backscratching is something to hear.

Bern pontificates and Thom admires profusely.

[KittyWampus]

39. -pontificates-

[Surya Gayatri]

41. Timely pun unintended! LOL!

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. Let's be honest, both Trump & BS are the products of talk radio. Rush & TH are really running.....

the campaigns. From what I read here it sounds like Hartmann, Schultz, Cenk & the rest of progressive radio are directing the BS campaign.

[Surya Gayatri]

60. Jeezus, let's hope somebody's in charge. When the doltish Weaver and the

deluded Devine show up on TeeVee to display their costly "expertise", you have to wonder.

I wouldn't be surprised if TH calls in to Bern HQ to put in his 2 cents. And, Cenk's big mouth can hardly be ignored.

[Jamaal510]

66. So far,

Stephanie Miller has been the only LW host I know of who isn't like that. This election season brought out the worst in certain pundits on the Left.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. I used to stream talk radio all day. Haven't done it in years. I listen to NPR at work & that's it.

I miss Stephanie, but Jim & Chris were insufferable re: President Obama.

[KittyWampus]

83. they know what their target audience wants to hear and deliver it.

[Basic LA]

9. What a crummy thing to say.

Don't be a bum, Thom Hartmann.

[BlueCaliDem]

10. I'm flabbergasted. Progressives don't dis the disabled even when they're pissed!

This is a new low for a Sanders supporter - and a fall from grace for Thom Hartmann whom I used to respect and agree with.

[Stand and Fight]

11. What a massive jerk!

I just tweeted this out. Like you said, he deleted the tweet. I wonder if he'll block me for showing his reprehensible commentary.

[NuclearDem]

13. Went ahead and crossposted this in GDP.

It is, unfortunately, going exactly as I thought it would.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511696163

[MADem]

15. Unbelievable. But sadly, all too believable. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

53. And they say the Berniebros are a myth

[shenmue]

14. How hateful

[stonecutter357]

16. this disabled american said fuck you thom.

[Democrats Ascendant]

32. Lol!

[SunSeeker]

17. K & R for exposure. nt

[Lucinda]

18. What a jerk.

[leftofcool]

20. Hartmann is just dumb!

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Ugly rubblish, indeed. I've never had a fondness for Hartmann's style.

Find his attitude to be supercilious and know-it-all. He's not half as clever as he likes to think.

[Thinkingabout]

23. And under the bus the disabled goes. I am happy to be a voter in the 2.4 voter lead

Hillary has, I have many great people under the bus, oh, and we are happy.

[greatauntoftriplets]

25. Many of the elderly have mobility issues and so vote absentee.

Both of my parents voted absentee multiple times due to age and illness. So apparently Hartmann is perfectly happy with disenfranchising one of the nation's most reliable blocs of voters. Unbelievable.

[otohara]

57. Problem w/ Caucuses

as a polio survivor I'm thinking when the next primary rolls around my mobility will be extremely limited. Pretty sure in CO there is no absentee ballot for caucuses. The state senate is now considering returning to primary for presidential primaries because it was a mess.

[greatauntoftriplets]

59. Primaries are much easier.

I'm in Illinois, so caucusing is not an issue. Between early voting, easy absentee voting where you can apply for a mail-in ballot online, and lots of polling places, no one (at least in Cook County where Chicago and many suburbs are) it's difficult to disenfranchise the disabled or elderly.

I hope that Colorado goes back to a primary for 2020.

[otohara]

61. 2026

Gawd I'll be old by the end of her second term.

[greatauntoftriplets]

62. Ugh. Sorry it's still 10 years away.

[otohara]

64. Opps My Brain - 2024

not functioning properly from the pain of my daily post-polio AM headache.

The RX's haven't kicked in yet.

[greatauntoftriplets]

65. Even eight years is a long time with a bad system.

I hope that you feel better.

[MADem]

68. Believe me--don't I know that.

As some of you know, I drive people to the polls who don't have cars and aren't to the point where they're in wheelchairs, but they can't really get to the bus easily and they have trouble standing for long periods and so on. These are people who are still at the "rage, rage against the dying of the light" point in their voting lifetimes, and they want to get OUT and go TO the polls to do their civic duty (some like to be dropped at the grocery, too, afterwards, and that's fine--hehe). It's not easy for them--I get as close to the door as I can, kick them out, find parking, run to find them, and if there's a line and they can't stand, I hold the place in line and signal them when I get close to the front. I'm no spring chicken but after a few times doing that I get exhausted myself! Ppl on canes and walkers really do have a struggle just standing still--it's not easy for them.

[greatauntoftriplets]

70. And they're the people who are the most reliable voters.

I think that the getting out part is also important. Like you say, many of these GOTV efforts involve side trips to the grocery stores. That's often important to older people (getting there myself, as we all do).

Voting should make allowances to accommodate all people. It's also not something that progressives should oppose.

[MADem]

71. You aren't kidding--they're like the postmen...rain, snow, gloom of night!!!

This is why the caucus system is inherently unfair--it excludes people--people who are old, who can't stand, who have no transport, who have to work, who cannot get child care, etc.

We should make voting easier, not harder. Unfortunately, some people confuse that basic enfranchisement imperative with allowing people who don't care about a party to come in and take the party over. The GOP let the tea party into their club and I think they regret it now. I think they would have been better off holding the line, letting the teaparty "fringe out" for a few years, and eventually, disillusioned, their membership would come back to the "Basic Hate" fold!

But no--they wanted it all, and now they're paying....with TRUMP!

I do think making enfranchisement easier would also make it easier for third parties to have a presence and a say, rather than trying to co-opt existing parties.

[greatauntoftriplets]

73. My polling place always has longish lines, even in the middle of the day.

There are quite a few older people in the area, too -- lots of condos. Aside from the regular offices in a general election, the Illinois judicial retention ballot is notoriously long and can have as many as 80 or 100 names where you vote "yes" or "no". Of course, most people have never heard of most of the names.

You either vote by whether or not you like the name or take along recommendations from the local bar association or the IVI/IPO (Independent Voters of Illinois/Illinois Precinct Organization). That ballot takes a long time. If you leave them blank, the scanning machine doesn't want to accept the ballot. If they could find a way to streamline that, it would speed up the lines and voting times.

[MADem]

74. Ballots like that are so challenging--they ought to have a "None of the above" option for people who

don't want to play "pig in a poke" voting, or simply allow people to leave some names unscanned. It's almost a sneaky form of disenfranchisement!

[greatauntoftriplets]

75. An opt-out option would be great.

Absolutely no one likes that ballot.

[Loki]

26. Thom Hartmann just lost whatever respect I once had for him.

Tasteless rhetoric and slamming disabled people, President Obama was right, you all are becoming the TP of the progressive movement. Shame on you.

[Her Sister]

27. Big Fail! These surrogates are something

OMGoodness!

[Iliyah]

29. Not this progressive who wholeheartedly believes in voting rights for all.

[giftedgirl77]

30. Considering the douchebags that swoon over him

was enough to discount all the bullshit he spews. But considering BS supporters shit on everyone that doesn't jump on the Bernwagon this doesn't surprise me.

[Democrats Ascendant]

31. So many likes and retweets...

[mcar]

33. That is just shameful

[Kang Colby]

35. Of course they do.

That's how brogressives talk.

[Her Sister]

56. lol!

[2naSalit]

36. Interesting and disappointing.

Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I have noticed that a few of the alleged left-wing media, including independents, are showing this lack of recognition of certain realities.

And I find it interesting that this who claims to know so much makes a flippant and irresponsible remark without considering the actual data. According to the link below, the self reporting disabled population of Wyoming is 12.6%. Not to mention the fact that there are indigenous peoples on a large reservation who may or may not be counted in this data... but that might not fit his agenda so....


http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/disability-prevalence/

ETA: that is 12.6% of the noninstitutionalized population of the state. So that would indicate that the disabled in nursing homes etc. were not included in the census of disabled persons in the state. So yeah, there could have been that many votes from disabled or handicapped voters.

[DemonGoddess]

38. I'm thankful that her campaign

worked to enable this segment of voters' right to vote. Given that the turnout on that was not 100% HRC, I would venture a guess that the ability TO vote was more important.

[wildeyed]

44. I have done voter assistance at low income housing

for the elderly and disabled. I am in the South, so many of the black elderly residents actually experienced Jim Crow. I cannot tell you how much I enjoy having a hand in helping people who experienced such brutal voter suppression participate in the process. And everyone there, white, black, young and old, NEEDS to vote. They experience the worst of inequality. It is a two+ year waiting list to even get into one of the low income buildings in my city. Last time I went, they had kicked and entire portion out because the bedbug infestation was so bad they needed to use nuclear strength poison to get it under control.

And you know what? We actually got some more units for longterm homeless citizens built by turning out the homeless shelters year after year after year. So it WORKS!

Anyway, that is just my personal experience with disabled voters.... And yes, it is illegal to tell them how to vote. If you are smart, you target groups who are statistically LIKELY to vote the way you want, but after that, hands off the controls, unless you want to go to prison for felony voter fraud. Trust me, I know the law on that, too, because you NEVER want to be in the position where anything you did was not 100% above board.

And someone called me a REPUBLICAN on this site yesterday because I am not feeling the bern, and now they are the ones advocating for disenfranchising the elderly and disabled

[ismnotwasm]

40. See? Once again I'm left with a stunned WTF? As a response.

I don't get this shit. I don't get any of it. I don't get the sexism, the racism, the projection and displacement, none of it. And now this?

I'm so done.

[George II]

42. And this is the person some here on DU idolize? Despicable. Has he filed...

....for a legal change of name, Thom Heartless?

[nini]

43. I too am disabled and I have voted by mail here in CA beause of it

Some of us simply have a hard time standing in long lines or even just getting to a polling place. Getting there shouldn't be a requirement of getting to vote.

I never really liked Hartman because he is way too whiny for me.

[wildeyed]

45. Plus, anyone can vote absentee.

You are not REQUIRED to be disabled. In my state, NC, they added voter ID requirements to everything EXCEPT absentee (and that makes ZERO sense) so many who do not have regular ID will not vote by mail. Perfectly legal.

[nini]

47. Yep.. anyone can vote absentee here too

I remember once I didn't get my ballot in time to mail it so I took the time to hand deliver it to the polling place. That was a fiasco being accused of voting twice. Now if I wanted to vote twice wouldn't I have mailed it in anyway AND gone to the polling site?

I argued with that poll worker for 10 minutes. I knew about the box to put those type ballots in that were to be verified as dupes later.

[wildeyed]

48. Volunteers can be difficult.

They don't always understand the rules. Good thing you knew your rights.

Never too early to start sharing the election protection hotline number 1-866-OUR-VOTE. They have experts on call to help with BS like that. I worked with a group that would actually SEND a trained activist to a polling site to advocate for a voter if we got a call. Precincts that we knew were targeted had someone posted there for the entire day

[nini]

49. I haven't missed an election in 40 years

that poll worker met her match that day LOL

I know it's a long day for them but if they're not sure.. call and find out.

thanks for that toll free number.. everyone should have that written down and tucked away when they go vote - just in case.

[Her Sister]

58. 1-866-OUR-VOTE ~ Great!!

Thanks for info!

[Walk away]

46. Hartman & Bernie...perfect together!

Jerks of a feather.....

[NastyRiffraff]

50. Big shoutout to the Clinton campaign's

GOTV volunteers who helped disabled voters! Too bad the Sanders campaign ignored them.

Thom Hartmann is a douchbag.

[SharonClark]

72. K&R

[fleabiscuit]

52. Hartman is part of the BS show. eom

[Buzz Clik]

76. Before I scroll down, I predict the Sanders crew will be out in force in support of Hartmann.

UPON EDITING: I noticed the complete lack of Sanders's crowd... scrolled back up and discovered it was posted in Hillary group.

oops.

==============

btw -- I only scroll Latest Threads and seldom look to see that it has a specialty posting. I have stumbled into various groups; the hosts have provided me some irrevocable help in making sure this never happens again.

[Cha]

78. Pretty sure Nuclear Dem posted it in gdp..

[MADem]

80. Someone here posted this in the GD-P and got the very reaction you imagined.

It's amazing how even the disabled can be thrown under the bus for the "right" (cough) candidate....

[Coolest Ranger]

79. Wow

So you hate me for being disabled too?
Kind of hard to defend that

[GusBob]

81. Holy Double Wow! Is this for real?

This is a sick joke right?

[MADem]

82. Nope-not a joke. He tweeted it, then he deleted it--but not before a lot of people called him an

ass.